The thing that bothered me most about the hyperdrive tracking is that Snoke didn't know it existed. Wtf? Hux had to explain it to him...
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The resistance doesn't appear to exactly be working with the latest technology, but yeah I suppose you're right.bangobango said:bobinator said:
Resistance invents hyperspace cloaking. There, fixed.
bobinator said:
The thing that bothered me most about the hyperdrive tracking is that Snoke didn't know it existed. Wtf? Hux had to explain it to him...
Not all leaders are detail guys, I guess.
Yeah, that was the joke I was making... when I said "Good question, I'm not entirely clear..."agracer said:
They don't have autopilot...remember, Cocktail Dress had to stay behind to drive the cruiser.
Snoke obviously wasn't on the review board approving projects. This is the fault of the CTO. He should have briefed Snoke on this research project given that it must have been a significant budgetary concern.CJS4715 said:bobinator said:
The thing that bothered me most about the hyperdrive tracking is that Snoke didn't know it existed. Wtf? Hux had to explain it to him...
Not all leaders are detail guys, I guess.
I really really think TLJ is a great movie... the second viewing is much better. I think the movie everyone wanted would have been too predictable. im apparently in the minority... Flame away
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The sad thing is .... while the movie had it's moments ... it could have been so much better with a few tweeks to the existing story line.
Instead of a fuel issue make the key element evading the hyperspace tracking as the fleet is slowly picked off. Make Snokes big warship the tracker vessel due to its size (maybe the equipment takes a lot of space and needs a lot of power). This is a bit more like the BSG episode entitled "33" (I think that was it) but Johnson seemed to borrow BSG elements anyway so WTH.
Leia is wounded in the one battle but skip the whole space "Mary Popsickle" thing so you can still have the conflict between Dern's character and Poe but make the gambit plan a bit different. They jump to a place near both the casino planet and Crait with the plan being to hole up in the old rebel base and wait rescue. Because the old base is in ruins the electronics there are assumed to be unoperational so a mission is set up to go to casino world to get a transmission out to rebel groups to rescue the remaining group from Crait. The world is still left as one for the rich but under FO control with most of the folks well connected to the FO political system. But, there are rebel sympathisers, some of which help funnel weapons and money to the cause. Anyway ... Finn, Poe, maybe Rose, Dern's gown girl character, a few redshirted expendable crewmen go on the mission.
Luke and Rey do their training thing minus the silly milking scene and I'd tweet the backstory on Luke and Kylo. Eventually the emergency transmission is picked up by Chewy in the Falcon and Luke and Rey respond to the call (reluctantly by Luke .... side note .... one major prop to Johnson for the scene with R2 playing the old New Hope hologram .... that was really good).
The surviving members of the casino mission crew return to the cruiser during the evac to Crait and the FO fleet jumps in. Dern can still do the hyperspace jump torpedo thing, disable the big tracking ship (threat removed, yay) but leave the rest of the FO fleet in tact to blockade Crait and commence the group attack,
Battle commences, rebel reinforcements arrive, space and ground battle, FO has upper hand ... Luke and Rey show up and Rey impulsively rushes to confront Kylo ... Kylo beats Rey but Luke reluctantly steps in and saves her. Kylo and Luke face off and the remaining rebels escape to fight another day. Luke sacrifices himself to save the rebellion.
Last scene ... Rey alone back on the island and force ghost Luke and Yoda both appear and her training commences again.
Something like that anyway .... so many possibilities that would have been better with a few tweeks to Rian Johnsons story.
Instead of a fuel issue make the key element evading the hyperspace tracking as the fleet is slowly picked off. Make Snokes big warship the tracker vessel due to its size (maybe the equipment takes a lot of space and needs a lot of power). This is a bit more like the BSG episode entitled "33" (I think that was it) but Johnson seemed to borrow BSG elements anyway so WTH.
Leia is wounded in the one battle but skip the whole space "Mary Popsickle" thing so you can still have the conflict between Dern's character and Poe but make the gambit plan a bit different. They jump to a place near both the casino planet and Crait with the plan being to hole up in the old rebel base and wait rescue. Because the old base is in ruins the electronics there are assumed to be unoperational so a mission is set up to go to casino world to get a transmission out to rebel groups to rescue the remaining group from Crait. The world is still left as one for the rich but under FO control with most of the folks well connected to the FO political system. But, there are rebel sympathisers, some of which help funnel weapons and money to the cause. Anyway ... Finn, Poe, maybe Rose, Dern's gown girl character, a few redshirted expendable crewmen go on the mission.
Luke and Rey do their training thing minus the silly milking scene and I'd tweet the backstory on Luke and Kylo. Eventually the emergency transmission is picked up by Chewy in the Falcon and Luke and Rey respond to the call (reluctantly by Luke .... side note .... one major prop to Johnson for the scene with R2 playing the old New Hope hologram .... that was really good).
The surviving members of the casino mission crew return to the cruiser during the evac to Crait and the FO fleet jumps in. Dern can still do the hyperspace jump torpedo thing, disable the big tracking ship (threat removed, yay) but leave the rest of the FO fleet in tact to blockade Crait and commence the group attack,
Battle commences, rebel reinforcements arrive, space and ground battle, FO has upper hand ... Luke and Rey show up and Rey impulsively rushes to confront Kylo ... Kylo beats Rey but Luke reluctantly steps in and saves her. Kylo and Luke face off and the remaining rebels escape to fight another day. Luke sacrifices himself to save the rebellion.
Last scene ... Rey alone back on the island and force ghost Luke and Yoda both appear and her training commences again.
Something like that anyway .... so many possibilities that would have been better with a few tweeks to Rian Johnsons story.
I think whoever invented the hyperdrive tracking was probably trying to get a patent and create their own spinoff company and then sell it back to the First Order, but he got caught by Hux and company and they could prove he invented it using First Order technology. Basically it was the first season of Silicon Valley is what I'm saying.Flashdiaz said:Snoke obviously wasn't on the review board approving projects. This is the fault of the CTO. He should have briefed Snoke on this research project given that it must have been a significant budgetary concern.CJS4715 said:bobinator said:
The thing that bothered me most about the hyperdrive tracking is that Snoke didn't know it existed. Wtf? Hux had to explain it to him...
Not all leaders are detail guys, I guess.
I love it too. I'm of the opinion this is one of the more well crafted Star Wars films, in addition to expanding the universe. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when reading the amount of hate there is for this movie. Pretty fascinating really to see such a wide variation of opinions.
bobinator said:I think whoever invented the hyperdrive tracking was probably trying to get a patent and create their own spinoff company and then sell it back to the First Order, but he got caught by Hux and company and they could prove he invented it using First Order technology. Basically it was the first season of Silicon Valley is what I'm saying.Flashdiaz said:Snoke obviously wasn't on the review board approving projects. This is the fault of the CTO. He should have briefed Snoke on this research project given that it must have been a significant budgetary concern.CJS4715 said:bobinator said:
The thing that bothered me most about the hyperdrive tracking is that Snoke didn't know it existed. Wtf? Hux had to explain it to him...
Not all leaders are detail guys, I guess.
It was one of the files mentioned in Rogue One when they were trying to find the original Death Star plans, so I guess Galen Urso invented it?
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
I would have used Leia's in peril situation as the motivation to get Luke off the island.
*********it took almost 30 years to move this thing to market? The Empire's technology transfer program is horrible, but I guess they're the only game in town.
What ticks me off about TFA and TLJ is really how careless JJ/Disney have been with our childhood heros. As much as I wish it wasn't true, the followon story takes away from the original. When you go back and watch Star Wars, you can't help but think all this crap Han went through was really for nothing.
people grow old, divorce and\or die. It doesn't make their life meaningless.Philip J Fry said:
What ticks me off about TFA and TLJ is really how careless JJ/Disney have been with our childhood heros. As much as I wish it wasn't true, the followon story takes away from the original. When you go back and watch Star Wars, you can't help but think all this crap Han went through was really for nothing.
Saw it again. Went from very much dislike to hate and anger.
I am putting this movie alongside Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull on the list of movies that I choose to believe were never made and do not exist.
I am putting this movie alongside Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull on the list of movies that I choose to believe were never made and do not exist.
Unless it is Luke versus the entire first order there is zero chance Kylo would beat him in a duel 1v1 . Luke should be able to destroy him with the blink of an eye.
I've come to the conclusion that movies released in the 80s and early 90s were the Renaissance of film creativity.Philip J Fry said:
What ticks me off about TFA and TLJ is really how careless JJ/Disney have been with our childhood heros. As much as I wish it wasn't true, the followon story takes away from the original. When you go back and watch Star Wars, you can't help but think all this crap Han went through was really for nothing.
I don't think it's carelessness. It's laziness.
bobinator said:
*********it took almost 30 years to move this thing to market? The Empire's technology transfer program is horrible, but I guess they're the only game in town.
When you Death Star your research facility planet, it sets you back a couple of quarters.
Cloud computing really could have helped out the Empire/First Order.
I bet Vader force choked the genius behind that technology after the Falcon escaped at the end of ESB. So, there were some major setbacks.
The more I think about this, I think this was willfully done by Disney to further kill "old Star Wars" canon and prepare the way for all their new stories that are going to be way out of synch with what the "olds" know about the limitations of the Force and make it all uber-fantastical - screaming past any "creativity licenses" we've seen from DC / Marvel.
Get ready for super-Jedi; bending energy, shooting laser beams from their eyes, transforming their bodies into Gel to squeeze through doorways, walking through solid objects, complete mind-controlling others, Flash-like speed, flying Jedi, etc.
Get ready for super-Jedi; bending energy, shooting laser beams from their eyes, transforming their bodies into Gel to squeeze through doorways, walking through solid objects, complete mind-controlling others, Flash-like speed, flying Jedi, etc.
You aren't alone. I too am fine with the movie after a 2nd viewing.brents1975 said:
I really really think TLJ is a great movie... the second viewing is much better. I think the movie everyone wanted would have been too predictable. im apparently in the minority... Flame away
My big disappointment is that I walked away pissed after my 1st viewing. Would have been nice to have been happy walking away opening night instead of my brain saying "They just killed off Luke Skywalker... you'll never get to see old man Luke kick ass with the green saber.... EVER!!!!!"
All they would have had to do was state that they were going to make movies set in the star wars universe that were tangential to the original movies. Like Rebels or Rogue One which are both great, and barely touch the OT or PT. This movie took a giant **** all over them... AND TFA... which I really don't get, considering Abrams was an EP on the movie.StrongbadAg said:
The more I think about this, I think this was willfully don't by Disney to further kill "old Star Wars" canon and prepare the way for all their new stories that are going to be way out of synch and uber-fantastical - screaming past any "creativity licenses" we've seen from DC / Marvel.
Start over, give Jedi super powers, whatever, I don't care. Just disconnect it from the masterpieces.
I do think that too many people are like "this movie is absolute trash," but I also can't see how anyone absolutely loved it either.
Like I said 100 pages ago or whatever, it was overall okay, I just don't think it was as good as it could have been.
Like I said 100 pages ago or whatever, it was overall okay, I just don't think it was as good as it could have been.
Yeah, I just think they want NO LIMITS on what they can do.Dr. Teeth said:All they would have had to do was state that they were going to make movies set in the star wars universe that were tangential to the original movies. Like Rebels or Rogue One which are both great, and barely touch the OT or PT. This movie took a giant **** all over them... AND TFA.StrongbadAg said:
The more I think about this, I think this was willfully don't by Disney to further kill "old Star Wars" canon and prepare the way for all their new stories that are going to be way out of synch and uber-fantastical - screaming past any "creativity licenses" we've seen from DC / Marvel.
They don't get that (for me personally and I think alot of others) - I want a gritty Batman Begins / Dark Knight / Die Hard / Game of Thrones style of Star Wars - where there are certain limits on the obscenely fantastical and main characters have story development and get hurt / killed (no one is safe) ... Not a Guardians of the Galaxy / Age of Ultron: Civil Dysfunction / Prequals type of Star Wars...
Leia should be dead. Ackbar should have hyperspace-torpedoed the dreadnaught. Rey should not be lifting 83 boulders in the air at once or surviving a battle with Snoke and his entourage completely unhurt and unscathed. Finn & Rose should both be dead. I hope Phasma is dead.
Really... now that I think about it? How selfish is Rose? She saved Finn when he was attempting to sacrafice himself to save everyone else? Who does that after 1-2 days of knowing someone? How immature and "millenial" of her to not think about anyone else but her own feelings... I dislike her, she's turble.
Was this already posted?
I'm good either way. Or both.StrongbadAg said:
They don't get that (for me personally and I think alot of others) - I want a gritty Batman Begins / Dark Knight / Die Hard style of Star Wars... Not a Guardians of the Galaxy / Age of Ultron: Civil Dysfunction / Prequals type of Star Wars...
I would actually like a Jedi/Bond-type spy movie set on Canto Bight. A Master and Commander style naval battle with Star Destroyers? Hell yes. A Indiana Jones style movie with a group of young force users searching for the lost artifacts of ancient Jedi? Sign me up.
Just don't **** with the original mythology or characters. If you're going to put Luke Skywalker in your movie, don't make him a murderous cowardly ***hole, because he sure as hell wasn't that before. Don't make Admiral ****ing Ackbar cannon fodder and introduce a new admiral we have never seen or heard of before to play the heroic ship commander martyr. No Yondu Mary Poppins y'all Leia.
You want to create your own characters and story, fine. Create a new setting for it. You play with the legends, ****ing do it respectfully. Abrams did, and with all it's flaws, TFA was a pretty good Star Wars movie. Watching it the first time in theaters, I felt like I was 10 years old again. With this one, halfway in I just wanted it to be over.
Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?redd38 said:
Here's my theory on using light speed as a weapon and why it hasn't been used in the past:
I think there is a very small window of distance where this tactic would be useful. Too close and you wouldn't be going fast enough to do much damage. Too far away and you'll make the jump to hyper space before the collision and thus pass right through on different dimensions. So basically Holdo was lucky that she was a very specific distance from the FO ship.
Yeah, it's a solid 6.5 but could have been a 9 or 9.5 ....bobinator said:
I do think that too many people are like "this movie is absolute trash," but I also can't see how anyone absolutely loved it either.
Like I said 100 pages ago or whatever, it was overall okay, I just don't think it was as good as it could have been.
My order now:
ESB, RO, ANH, RotJ, TFA, RotS, TLJ. AotC, TPM
...
If they do a Obi-Wan duology... I want Miguel Sapochnik at the top of the director's list:
- Winds of Winter
- Battle of the *******s
- Hardhome
93% from CriticsCJS4715 said:
Was this already posted?
56% from fans
It's Snowpiercer in Space.
I really think old Star Wars fans are like Aggies: the only happy Star Wars fan is an unhappy Star Wars fan.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
BS.pagerman @ work said:
I really think old Star Wars fans are like Aggies: the only happy Star Wars fan is an unhappy Star Wars fan.
Look me up at this time two years ago.
Or this time a year ago.
All I know is the nerd fights on social media between those who hated it and those who are goaltending for the movie have been pretty good.
The sad part is that I found this more entertaining than the actual movie.
The sad part is that I found this more entertaining than the actual movie.
I agree with this to some extent, that no matter how good most people thought this movie was there would be a group of people who hated it, but there are way more people than normal.pagerman @ work said:
I really think old Star Wars fans are like Aggies: the only happy Star Wars fan is an unhappy Star Wars fan.
And I think some of the conversation gets lost between the people who liked it and the people who didn't.
Like I thought the Canto Bight scenes were absurd and dumb, and I see a lot of stuff of people like "but those scenes were crucial to setting up Finn's character... etc, etc."
That's where the nuance is getting lost, because like i've said on here, I liked the general message of that scene. To show Finn that there are kids like him out there who need someone to fight for them, I thought that was a pretty good angle. But it's the actual execution of what that looked like on screen that was bad.
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