An officer who'd just been demoted for failing to follow an order and who's first action with the new commander was to question her authority in front of everyone. She wasn't about to give in to him. She was the boss.aggiephoenix02 said:True, but Poe isn't a private, or even a sergeant, Poe is an officer. Perhaps not the highest ranking officer, but an officer that's in charger of the majority of your fleet while in battle. To dismiss him and his command influence is short sighted and weak...SeattleAgJr said:and rightfully so.agracer said:Except that leadership left him in the he dark.FTACO97 said:
"Rose & Finn subplot. Served zero purpose" - I see this complaint everywhere. There was a plan that they concocted with Poe and there was a purpose for them going there. They need to get aboard the lead Star Destroyer and destroy the hyperspace tracker. Can't get aboard without being detected. "Codebreaker" can do it, according to Maz. So Poe, Finn and Rose decide to keep it a secret (poor choice) and Finn & Rose set out to find this guy. The plan ultimately fails and I think the purpose was to show Poe was being reckless and needed to work with his leadership.
a soldiers job is to do the job. they do not need to know why.
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aggiephoenix02 said:True, but Poe isn't a private, or even a sergeant, Poe is an officer. Perhaps not the highest ranking officer, but an officer that's in charger of the majority of your fleet while in battle. To dismiss him and his command influence is short sighted and weak...SeattleAgJr said:and rightfully so.agracer said:Except that leadership left him in the he dark.FTACO97 said:
"Rose & Finn subplot. Served zero purpose" - I see this complaint everywhere. There was a plan that they concocted with Poe and there was a purpose for them going there. They need to get aboard the lead Star Destroyer and destroy the hyperspace tracker. Can't get aboard without being detected. "Codebreaker" can do it, according to Maz. So Poe, Finn and Rose decide to keep it a secret (poor choice) and Finn & Rose set out to find this guy. The plan ultimately fails and I think the purpose was to show Poe was being reckless and needed to work with his leadership.
a soldiers job is to do the job. they do not need to know why.
C'mon Seattle, even you have to admit the only reason they left Poe in the dark was so that A) he would have a reason to follow that stupid plan to go to that stupid Casino planet and allow Johnson that ham-handed way to say, "even poor slave nobodies can be a powerful person someday", and B) so the audience could see the "reckless flyboy" get put in his place later by the calm, wise female.
It was just one more instance of lazy writing, which was the ultimate downfall of this movie.
Tmoneyag99 said:
I'm just waiting for a petition to come out from fans demanding to see the George Lucas version of TLJ.
...and we have a petition now trying to remove TLJ from the Star Wars canon.
https://movieweb.com/star-wars-fan-petition-last-jedi-removed-from-canon/
worst film of the franchise for me, by a long shot. Oh what could have been.
While we are nitpicking this movie to death: why does everyone go into battle without their weapons pre-charged?
"Fire on that enemy ship!"
"30 seconds till fully charged"
"Fire on that enemy ship!"
"30 seconds till fully charged"
Woke up this morning to an even lower fan score.
This article does a good job explaining how each day is bringing worse fan reactions. Contrary to the intitial thought that trolls were bringing the score down, it seems that reactions are actually becoming more and more negative with each passing day.
https://www.cnet.com/news/star-wars-the-last-jedi-social-media-sythnesio/
This article does a good job explaining how each day is bringing worse fan reactions. Contrary to the intitial thought that trolls were bringing the score down, it seems that reactions are actually becoming more and more negative with each passing day.
https://www.cnet.com/news/star-wars-the-last-jedi-social-media-sythnesio/
Remember a few weeks ago whenever Disney gave Rian the keys to the car and we all assumed we were about to get the best Star Wars movie ever!
Quad Dog said:
While we are nitpicking this movie to death: why does everyone go into battle without their weapons pre-charged?
"Fire on that enemy ship!"
"30 seconds till fully charged"
I don't think we are nitpicking. Nitpicking would be complaining about how stupid it was to have Maz hopping around like a he-man cartoon talking about unions and code breakers. Or that stupid basketball disabling a bunch of grown men with a coin dispenser. Or godawful cgi of the basketball driving a huge walker. Crap like that.
Most people here aren't nitpicking, they are dissapppinted that this movie fundamentally sucked in every way, and destroyed a great science fiction icon we grew up with.
Let's be clear - the only reason any of these movies made since rotj made any money is because of the iconic sights, sounds, and characters Lucas created in a new hope. To see these iconic characters trashed so pathetically is disappointing.
Maybe Luke tried to warn us all with his line, "This is not going to go the way you think!"
Epic foreshadowing.
Epic foreshadowing.
And she was a crappy boss at that.MBAR said:An officer who'd just been demoted for failing to follow an order and who's first action with the new commander was to question her authority in front of everyone. She wasn't about to give in to him. She was the boss.aggiephoenix02 said:True, but Poe isn't a private, or even a sergeant, Poe is an officer. Perhaps not the highest ranking officer, but an officer that's in charger of the majority of your fleet while in battle. To dismiss him and his command influence is short sighted and weak...SeattleAgJr said:and rightfully so.agracer said:Except that leadership left him in the he dark.FTACO97 said:
"Rose & Finn subplot. Served zero purpose" - I see this complaint everywhere. There was a plan that they concocted with Poe and there was a purpose for them going there. They need to get aboard the lead Star Destroyer and destroy the hyperspace tracker. Can't get aboard without being detected. "Codebreaker" can do it, according to Maz. So Poe, Finn and Rose decide to keep it a secret (poor choice) and Finn & Rose set out to find this guy. The plan ultimately fails and I think the purpose was to show Poe was being reckless and needed to work with his leadership.
a soldiers job is to do the job. they do not need to know why.
This is probably already posted but I didn't see it in my quick scan. Mark Hamill was, in fact, the little dude that used BB-8 as a slot machine.
https://www.wired.com/story/rian-johnson-star-wars-last-jedi/?mbid=social_twitter
https://www.wired.com/story/rian-johnson-star-wars-last-jedi/?mbid=social_twitter
Quote:
Why does Mark Hamill have two credits? Who is Dobbu Scay?
Johnson: It was a mocap performance. He really wanted to try out motion-capture after watching Andy Serkis do it. So, if you remember the little drunk alien toad that tries to use BB-8 as a slot machine, that's actually a mocap performance by Mark. That was just done in one day in a mocap studio.
Laser Wolf said:dromo07 said:
Just think about how they are going to kill Chewie in the next one...
He's pretty much a walking fire hazard, so....
Porg food poisoning.
TriAg2010 said:YouBet said:
Folks need to get over the space physics inconsistencies. That has been present in copious amounts in every movie. I wrote that one off immediately.
I can deal with laser cannons making noise in space. I can deal with hyper-drive. I can even deal with the obvious plot hole where the First Order didn't use any of their many FTL ships to catch-up with the Rebels.
I can't deal with floating space Leia. Space Rule #1 is: you're dead after seconds of hard vacuum. Dead! The worst fan fiction wouldn't have used that plot element
I don't count that scene in my comment. I'm only referring to all of the ship and battle physics.
agracer said:And she was a crappy boss at that.MBAR said:An officer who'd just been demoted for failing to follow an order and who's first action with the new commander was to question her authority in front of everyone. She wasn't about to give in to him. She was the boss.aggiephoenix02 said:True, but Poe isn't a private, or even a sergeant, Poe is an officer. Perhaps not the highest ranking officer, but an officer that's in charger of the majority of your fleet while in battle. To dismiss him and his command influence is short sighted and weak...SeattleAgJr said:and rightfully so.agracer said:Except that leadership left him in the he dark.FTACO97 said:
"Rose & Finn subplot. Served zero purpose" - I see this complaint everywhere. There was a plan that they concocted with Poe and there was a purpose for them going there. They need to get aboard the lead Star Destroyer and destroy the hyperspace tracker. Can't get aboard without being detected. "Codebreaker" can do it, according to Maz. So Poe, Finn and Rose decide to keep it a secret (poor choice) and Finn & Rose set out to find this guy. The plan ultimately fails and I think the purpose was to show Poe was being reckless and needed to work with his leadership.
a soldiers job is to do the job. they do not need to know why.
Yeah. Where's the boss biotch Dern played in Big Little Lies who would shank someone over a kid's birthday party?
during that exchange with her calling him a dangerous flyboy, I got a distinct 'Top Gun' vibe.agracer said:And she was a crappy boss at that.MBAR said:An officer who'd just been demoted for failing to follow an order and who's first action with the new commander was to question her authority in front of everyone. She wasn't about to give in to him. She was the boss.aggiephoenix02 said:True, but Poe isn't a private, or even a sergeant, Poe is an officer. Perhaps not the highest ranking officer, but an officer that's in charger of the majority of your fleet while in battle. To dismiss him and his command influence is short sighted and weak...SeattleAgJr said:and rightfully so.agracer said:Except that leadership left him in the he dark.FTACO97 said:
"Rose & Finn subplot. Served zero purpose" - I see this complaint everywhere. There was a plan that they concocted with Poe and there was a purpose for them going there. They need to get aboard the lead Star Destroyer and destroy the hyperspace tracker. Can't get aboard without being detected. "Codebreaker" can do it, according to Maz. So Poe, Finn and Rose decide to keep it a secret (poor choice) and Finn & Rose set out to find this guy. The plan ultimately fails and I think the purpose was to show Poe was being reckless and needed to work with his leadership.
a soldiers job is to do the job. they do not need to know why.
Well, he was writing checks his body couldn't cash....Flashdiaz said:during that exchange with her calling him a dangerous flyboy, I got a distinct 'Top Gun' vibe.agracer said:And she was a crappy boss at that.MBAR said:An officer who'd just been demoted for failing to follow an order and who's first action with the new commander was to question her authority in front of everyone. She wasn't about to give in to him. She was the boss.aggiephoenix02 said:True, but Poe isn't a private, or even a sergeant, Poe is an officer. Perhaps not the highest ranking officer, but an officer that's in charger of the majority of your fleet while in battle. To dismiss him and his command influence is short sighted and weak...SeattleAgJr said:and rightfully so.agracer said:Except that leadership left him in the he dark.FTACO97 said:
"Rose & Finn subplot. Served zero purpose" - I see this complaint everywhere. There was a plan that they concocted with Poe and there was a purpose for them going there. They need to get aboard the lead Star Destroyer and destroy the hyperspace tracker. Can't get aboard without being detected. "Codebreaker" can do it, according to Maz. So Poe, Finn and Rose decide to keep it a secret (poor choice) and Finn & Rose set out to find this guy. The plan ultimately fails and I think the purpose was to show Poe was being reckless and needed to work with his leadership.
a soldiers job is to do the job. they do not need to know why.
Tmoneyag99 said:Tmoneyag99 said:
I'm just waiting for a petition to come out from fans demanding to see the George Lucas version of TLJ.
...and we have a petition now trying to remove TLJ from the Star Wars canon.
https://movieweb.com/star-wars-fan-petition-last-jedi-removed-from-canon/
Seriously, people.
Get a life.
That part was also stupid. Is BB8 hollow?lunchbox said:
This is probably already posted but I didn't see it in my quick scan. Mark Hamill was, in fact, the little dude that used BB-8 as a slot machine.
https://www.wired.com/story/rian-johnson-star-wars-last-jedi/?mbid=social_twitterQuote:
Why does Mark Hamill have two credits? Who is Dobbu Scay?
Johnson: It was a mocap performance. He really wanted to try out motion-capture after watching Andy Serkis do it. So, if you remember the little drunk alien toad that tries to use BB-8 as a slot machine, that's actually a mocap performance by Mark. That was just done in one day in a mocap studio.
If I were in charge of the resistance, at our first strategy meeting after rounding up some new members I'd be like:
"Okay team, you know our normal plan where we all die en masse because we're all grouped together for some reason? Well I have a new plan. First, we need, like, way more BB units. Have you seen that thing? He can hack enemy walkers and ships, he's a fair pilot and he's probably our best fighter other than Rey. So let's go find some more of those.
Second, Everyone fan out and find every ship with light speed that you can get your hands on. We're going to strip those down and start using them as weapons. No, nobody has to die, we're going to use autopilot and drive them remotely. Good question, I'm not entirely clear why Holdo needed to actually be on that ship either, but that attack she did was really effective, so that's clearly the attack plan going forward. We'll honor her by calling it the Holdo maneuver.
Any questions?"
Not only that...but the evil BB unit was the only one that caught on that an upside-down trashcan moving around and beeping might be up to no good.bobinator said:That part was also stupid. Is BB8 hollow?lunchbox said:
This is probably already posted but I didn't see it in my quick scan. Mark Hamill was, in fact, the little dude that used BB-8 as a slot machine.
https://www.wired.com/story/rian-johnson-star-wars-last-jedi/?mbid=social_twitterQuote:
Why does Mark Hamill have two credits? Who is Dobbu Scay?
Johnson: It was a mocap performance. He really wanted to try out motion-capture after watching Andy Serkis do it. So, if you remember the little drunk alien toad that tries to use BB-8 as a slot machine, that's actually a mocap performance by Mark. That was just done in one day in a mocap studio.
If I were in charge of the resistance, at our first strategy meeting after rounding up some new members I'd be like:
"Okay team, you know our normal plan where we all die en masse because we're all grouped together for some reason? Well I have a new plan. First, we need, like, way more BB units. Have you seen that thing? He can hack enemy walkers and ships, he's a fair pilot and he's probably our best fighter other than Rey. So let's go find some more of those.
He says that before Luke gets shot atQuote:
My favorite was after they all watched Luke brush off canon fire Finn's like "we need to help him with one guy."
Even better, why would you fire on the completely defenseless and immobile enemy base first and not their getaway ship that clearly already has most of the evacuees on board? Again, basic strategy and tactics, I can forgive physics and advanced tactical planning, since it's the movies and I want to turn my brain off, but horrible general strategy across the board for a supposed military regime who has taken over the galaxy....come on now!Quad Dog said:
While we are nitpicking this movie to death: why does everyone go into battle without their weapons pre-charged?
"Fire on that enemy ship!"
"30 seconds till fully charged"
Reverse nitpicking....can anyone think of one thing the First Order did in that entire movie that could be considered somewhat sound strategy?
Paying off the codebreaker guy was a pretty good idea?IrishAg said:
Reverse nitpicking....can anyone think of one thing the First Order did in that entire movie that could be considered somewhat sound strategy?
The whole hyperspace tracking thing was pretty good strategy. Let them kill off about 95% of the resistance forces...
Not accepting the charges from Poe's collect call was a smart move.bobinator said:Paying off the codebreaker guy was a pretty good idea?IrishAg said:
Reverse nitpicking....can anyone think of one thing the First Order did in that entire movie that could be considered somewhat sound strategy?
bobinator said:Paying off the codebreaker guy was a pretty good idea?IrishAg said:
Reverse nitpicking....can anyone think of one thing the First Order did in that entire movie that could be considered somewhat sound strategy?
Good one!
amercer said:
The whole hyperspace tracking thing was pretty good strategy. Let them kill off about 95% of the resistance forces...
That one I have mixed feelings on, it's more of a research find since it wasn't supposed to be possible for some reason. But using it and not ignoring it is basic strategy, so I guess it does count
I thought about that one, but that isn't really a strategy. It was more of an invention.amercer said:
The whole hyperspace tracking thing was pretty good strategy. Let them kill off about 95% of the resistance forces...
I say that because their actual implementation of said invention was pretty awful. Only one ship can only track one ship?
Also, by putting that random thing into this movie, nobody is ever going to be able to escape by "jumping to light speed" ever again in the Star Warsverse. That's been a pretty critical strategic move for a long time.
We'll maybe you can't put one on any old ship. Snoke's flagship was unlike anything I had ever seen before in the Star Wars universe
But, they did use it, so I had to admit that it was basic strategy vs completely ignoring it.bobinator said:I thought about that one, but that isn't really a strategy. It was more of an invention.amercer said:
The whole hyperspace tracking thing was pretty good strategy. Let them kill off about 95% of the resistance forces...
I say that because their actual implementation of said invention was pretty awful. Only one ship can only track one ship?
Also, by putting that random thing into this movie, nobody is ever going to be able to escape by "jumping to light speed" ever again in the Star Warsverse. That's been a pretty critical strategic move for a long time.
I guess the strategy part was letting the resistance use up most of thier fuel before reveling that they were being tracked.
Oh, I also have to give props to my wife for the best explanation of the plot of this movie. After watching the First Order chase the rebels for a while she turned to me and said "this is like the George vs the geriatric bike gang scooter chase from Seinfeld".....and all I could say was yes, yes it is!
bobinator said:I thought about that one, but that isn't really a strategy. It was more of an invention.amercer said:
The whole hyperspace tracking thing was pretty good strategy. Let them kill off about 95% of the resistance forces...
I say that because their actual implementation of said invention was pretty awful. Only one ship can only track one ship?
Also, by putting that random thing into this movie, nobody is ever going to be able to escape by "jumping to light speed" ever again in the Star Warsverse. That's been a pretty critical strategic move for a long time.
Resistance invents hyperspace cloaking. There, fixed.
FIFY.... thumbs up though!bobinator said:That part was also stupid. Is BB8 hollow?lunchbox said:
This is probably already posted but I didn't see it in my quick scan. Mark Hamill was, in fact, the little dude that used BB-8 as a slot machine.
https://www.wired.com/story/rian-johnson-star-wars-last-jedi/?mbid=social_twitterQuote:
Why does Mark Hamill have two credits? Who is Dobbu Scay?
Johnson: It was a mocap performance. He really wanted to try out motion-capture after watching Andy Serkis do it. So, if you remember the little drunk alien toad that tries to use BB-8 as a slot machine, that's actually a mocap performance by Mark. That was just done in one day in a mocap studio.
If I were in charge of the resistance, at our first strategy meeting after rounding up some new members I'd be like:
"Okay team, you know our normal plan where we all die en masse because we're all grouped together for some reason? Well I have a new plan. First, we need, like, way more BB units. Have you seen that thing? He can hack enemy walkers and ships, he's a fair pilot and he's probably our best fighter other than Rey. So let's go find some more of those.
Second, Everyone fan out and find every ship with light speed that you can get your hands on. We're going to strip those down and start using them as weapons. No, nobody has to die, we're going to use autopilot and drive them remotely. Good question, I'm not entirely clear why Holdo needed to actually be on that ship either, but that attack she did was really effective, so that's clearly the attack plan going forward. We'll honor her by calling it theHoldoCocktail Dress maneuver.
Any questions?"
Very disappointed by this film. It just didn't feel like a Star Wars movie to me. Sure some of the characters were there but they didn't act like the Star Wars heroes from the past.
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