*** The Book of Boba Fett *** (Discussion Thread) Wed Dec 29 - Feb 9 - Page 38

Cinco Ranch Aggie

10:18a, 2/3/22

Ron Murkundy said:
True, they are not starfighters in the literal sense, but they filled that role for their respective pilots. The Falcon in ROTJ sure looked like it played the same role as the X-Wings and A-Wings it flew with.

Think about it in WWII terms - the Falcon with the X- and A-Wings was like a group of P-51 Mustangs escorting a B-25 Mitchell medium bomber in to a target, or Spitfires with a Mosquito equipped as a fighter/bomber.

The Porkchop Express

10:19a, 2/3/22

In reply to powerbelly

powerbelly said:
Ron Murkundy said:
I'm interested to see if the N1 starfighter remains Mando's ride. I assume it will, due to the modified astromech port which will almost certainly become the Grogu port.

It's just such a departure from "customized" starships in Star Wars. We have almost exclusively had clunkier-looking ships that have some special modifications to make them effective starfighters. Classic ships like the Falcon, Razor Crest, Slave I (and Outrider and Moldy Crow in Legends) are beloved and fantastic starfighters that don't look like starfighters. I don't see the N1 being as embraced.

Luke's X-Wing is iconic, but doesn't stand out from others of its kind. Poe's X-Wing was a lame attempt to make him stand out. Am I missing any others that break the mold?
FYI, those aren't star-fighters.

C'mon, son!

powerbelly

10:20a, 2/3/22

In reply to The Porkchop Express

What is your point? The ghost isn't a star-fighter either.

MandoArms

10:21a, 2/3/22

In reply to jokershady

jokershady said:
holy crap i just realized something.....there's a line in this episode that makes the decision that Luke presents Grogu at the end make so much more sense....

when Luke first tells Grogu, "A short time for you, is a lifetime for someone else," I kind of just casted that line aside because I was so distracted on what was going in front of me for this episode.

But holy hell that hits hard now! The species that Grogu is (do we still not have a name for that?) ages so slowly that Luke could literally spend his entire life training him and it amount to nothing because of how slowly he ages and that it could possibly take multiple jedi masters to train him. So rather than possibly waste all that time he decides to give him a choice right off the bat because of how slowly his species develops.

Good lord how did i not pick up on that at first?

So building off of this what if Grogu is Luke's insurance policy for the Jedi to survive? He starts thinking something bad could happen with Ben and/or Snoke, decides to send Grogu off on a mission far away from the First Order.

Grogu could grow up, live through the sequel timeline then find the door between worlds go back and prevent the sequel trilogy. The sequel still would have happened technically but would then be rewritten.

IG: mando_arms

Red Five

10:24a, 2/3/22

In reply to powerbelly

powerbelly said:
What is your point? The ghost isn't a star-fighter either.

I think he was talking about the list of classic SW ships that didn't include the Ghost or the Ebon Hawk.

The Porkchop Express

10:26a, 2/3/22

In reply to Atreides Ornithopter

Arrakis ecologist said:
He survived the first one because Palpatine/Empire wanted to USE him.

I don't think we know that.

The Porkchop Express

10:34a, 2/3/22

In reply to powerbelly

powerbelly said:
What is your point? The ghost isn't a star-fighter either.

Sorry I guess I didn't read your post right. I was listening to some dummy yap on a zoom call at the same time.

Flashdiaz

10:41a, 2/3/22

In reply to AgfromHOU

AgfromHOU said:
redline248 said:
Does anyone care about Rey?

Grogu will pick the sweet Mandolorian shirt and forego his training.
He won't be around for the Kylo rage incident.
Mando and Grogu will have further adventures until Mando is no more in the not so distant future.
Grogu will find a new Jedi master to train under, Rey.
She will fulfill her destiny and turn into a Sith.
Mando\Jedi grogu will fight her with the Dark Saber and Yoda's old saber.

cbr

10:45a, 2/3/22

Interesting questions. The sequels were such unmitigated garbage you cant tie anything good into their storylines. Or shouldnt. So where to go with the original characters?

cbr

10:49a, 2/3/22

In reply to cbr

cbr said:
Interesting questions. The sequels were such unmitigated garbage you cant tie anything good into their storylines. Or shouldnt. So where to go with the original characters?

Waxing philosophical, what good did the 'no attachment' crap do in the end? Its a human falsehood imo. 'Stick with your friends and family and be good people' seems like a better religion.

Sort of betting the little guy goes with mando, cause honestly skywalker still seems petty confused.

Hungry Ojos

10:50a, 2/3/22

In reply to The Porkchop Express

helloimustbegoing said:
Arrakis ecologist said:
He survived the first one because Palpatine/Empire wanted to USE him.

I don't think we know that.

Wasn't that the whole point of Mandalorian 1? Didn't he save Grogu from this very thing?

Red Five

10:54a, 2/3/22

In reply to Hungry Ojos

Hungry Ojos said:
helloimustbegoing said:
Arrakis ecologist said:
He survived the first one because Palpatine/Empire wanted to USE him.

I don't think we know that.

Wasn't that the whole point of Mandalorian 1? Didn't he save Grogu from this very thing?

Grogu was wanted and used by Moff Gideon. There is no reason to assume Palpatine allowed him to escape the Jedi Temple because he was the one who wanted to use Grogu. Far more likely that Palpatine had no idea he existed and that Moff Gideon found out about him because he was being held in Gideon's territory. Moff Gideon was clearly a guy with a lot of secrets, a heavy investment in R&D, and a crazy thirst for power.

The Porkchop Express

10:55a, 2/3/22

In reply to Hungry Ojos

Hungry Ojos said:
helloimustbegoing said:
Arrakis ecologist said:
He survived the first one because Palpatine/Empire wanted to USE him.

I don't think we know that.

Wasn't that the whole point of Mandalorian 1? Didn't he save Grogu from this very thing?

He saved him from the Empire, but I have seen no evidence that Palpatine had him survive Order 66. When Ahsoka meets him, she tells Mando that he was saved from the temple by somone and then his memories go dark for a while. That doesn't sound like the Empire had him all this time.

Atreides Ornithopter

10:58a, 2/3/22

In reply to The Porkchop Express

helloimustbegoing said:
Arrakis ecologist said:
He survived the first one because Palpatine/Empire wanted to USE him.

I don't think we know that.

Why not, I think it is a good guess.

Didn't Mando find Grogu in the hands of Old Empire people experimenting on him, most likely to study his high Force potential ( I won't say the M word)

From my son's statement about the 501st that captures him, their other name is Vader's Legion. Vader is their direct commander specifically for hunting down Jedi. So from the flash back they kill the 3 Jedi. Why didn't they slaughter Grogu just like Vader killed the younglings? They either saw him and questioned back to Vader or they already had orders.

I would expect more flashback where we see Vader and maybe even Palpatine now. Heck maybe Palpatine was SEARCHING for him since there has been questions about if his species is birthed by the force and pal knew this and was going to use if for his body studies we see at the end of Episode 9.

In my opinion becasue of the flashback there is no way Vader and Pal didn't know he existed and had him at one point.

The Porkchop Express

11:04a, 2/3/22

In reply to Atreides Ornithopter

Arrakis ecologist said:
helloimustbegoing said:
Arrakis ecologist said:
He survived the first one because Palpatine/Empire wanted to USE him.

I don't think we know that.
Why not, I think it is a good guess.

Didn't Mando find Grogu in the hands of Old Empire people experimenting on him, most likely to study his high Force potential ( I won't say the M word)

From my son's statement about the 501st that captures him, their other name is Vader's Legion. Vader is their direct commander specifically for hunting down Jedi. So from the flash back they kill the 3 Jedi. Why didn't they slaughter Grogu just like Vader killed the younglings? They either saw him and questioned back to Vader or they already had orders.

I would expect more flashback where we see Vader and maybe even Palpatine now. Heck maybe Palpatine was SEARCHING for him since there has been questions about if his species is birthed by the force and pal knew this and was going to use if for his body studies we see at the end of Episode 9.

In my opinion becasue of the flashback there is no way Vader and Pal didn't know he existed and had him at one point.

Ahsoka says - He was raised at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. Many Masters trained him over the years. At the end of the Clone Wars when the Empire rose to power, he was hidden. Someone took him from the Temple. Then his memories becomes... dark. He seemed lost. Alone. I've known one other being like this. A wise Jedi Master named Yoda.

I have never seen anything that indicates that the 501st captured him. I think that memory in the Jedi temple from the most recent episode purposely cuts off and we'll see the other half of it later. I'd think it was more likely he was hidden by a Jedi or someone else, then at some point in the distant future, after the fall of the Empire, someone discovered what he was and the Empire grabbed him to try to bring Palps back.

C@LAg

11:06a, 2/3/22

He was secretly saved by Mace Windu who used force push to survive his fall.

Mace took Grogu into hiding, used the Jedi Mind Wipe to lock away those memories.

Mace died a few years back or old age, and it is at that time that Grogu was captured and put into the hands of the cloners.

So next episode guest star WILL be Samuel L Jackson in a flashback.

Atreides Ornithopter

11:08a, 2/3/22

In reply to The Porkchop Express

So they still wanted to USE him to bring back pals?

So you just mean the Emprie but NOT Vader/ Pals?

The Porkchop Express

11:12a, 2/3/22

In reply to Atreides Ornithopter

Arrakis ecologist said:
So they still wanted to USE him to bring back pals?

So you just mean the Emprie but NOT Vader/ Pals?

What I'm trying to say is that based on what the show has said/shown, I don't believe Grogu was captured by the Empire as the Jedi Temple fell.

I think someone else got him out, hid him, and at some fixed point in the unknown future, he was captured by the remains of the Empire, post-Palpatine 'death" on Death Star II.

Since they were having trouble finding a stable body for the clone of Palpatine to live in, they went looking for beings that were Force Sensitive and found Grogu. I don't know if those guys guarding him in the first episode of Mando stole him and then the bounty went up to get him back, or if they were just holding him in the first place when the bounty came to Mando, but he became a big part of the plan post-Fall of the Empire at Endor.

bobinator

11:15a, 2/3/22

I don't have much to add to the current conversation but just wanted to say this show is making some odd choices.

It's almost like they thought "hey look we know this show seems low stakes, so we're gonna stick two episodes of a much better show in here and just call it part of this show."

Atreides Ornithopter

11:16a, 2/3/22

In reply to The Porkchop Express

Well I think we will see what happens after the first flashback, but probably not till Mando 3

Maybe it is the lead into Obi-Wan when we see Ewan swope in and kill the 501st and take Grogu

Prosperdick

11:54a, 2/3/22

I don't see how Grogu can pick the lightsaber and Luke does what, toss the beskar chainmail in the trash? They made a point of showing it forged, Din traveling to deliver it and you have to think somewhere down the road that chainmail will save his life.

What will be interesting is how Luke reacts to that decision.

CondensedFogAggie

11:56a, 2/3/22

I'd love if the green kid via force raises both the laser sword AND Frodo's mithril shirt at the same time.

Like how Luke was raising all those frogs together.

Maybe even a Boba Fett and Luke meeting if we're going waaaay out there.

redline248

12:22p, 2/3/22

In reply to Atreides Ornithopter

Arrakis ecologist said:
Well I think we will see what happens after the first flashback, but probably not till Mando 3

Maybe it is the lead into Obi-Wan when we see Ewan swope in and kill the 501st and take Grogu

So, we know Obi-Wan and Yoda go back to the temple. There could, theoretically, be some unknown space of time in which they find Grogu and someone else to smuggle him out. Bail Organa was loitering around the whole time.

Brian Earl Spilner

12:34p, 2/3/22

Pretty solid.

LB12Diamond

1:29p, 2/3/22

My guess GroGu will pick the chain Mel. Not sure what will take place after that but that's just my guess.

One would think if he picked Yoda's light saber he would have shown up at a later time with Luke.

The Porkchop Express

1:35p, 2/3/22

What if he picks them both up and then arrives on Tatooine to fight in the war vs. the Pyke flying Luke's X-wing with Luke's head in a burlap sack?

redline248

2:04p, 2/3/22

In reply to The Porkchop Express

Then we know who the villain of the sequel sequel trilogy is

Max Power

2:09p, 2/3/22

Hearing Pedro Pascal talk in an almost southern drawl was as cringe-inducing as Brian Kelly trying to sound cajun. I thought he was going to say the word "kin" at some point in their conversation, then I was going to lose it.

YellowPot_97

2:39p, 2/3/22

In reply to DukeMu

DukeMu said:
chase128 said:
After seeing this episode, what happens with Luke's Jedi academy in the sequels makes me even more pissed off.
Just have Jon Favreau redo 7, 8, 9.

And the deep fake technology is almost to the point where you don't need the original actors. We could have a sequel trilogy with the OT gang.

The Collective

3:06p, 2/3/22

Let Filoni find a way to meander around 7-9. He is capable.

jokershady

3:11p, 2/3/22

In reply to The Collective

Or….now just stick with me here….

CEO of Disney comes out in a video and says, "THEY NEVER HAPPENED! ALRIGHT!? WERE GONNA DO IT AGAIN! **** IT!"

it'd be much easier anyways

Dr. Teeth

3:24p, 2/3/22

In reply to Orome

Orome said:
Theoretical question. If they just scrapped episodes 7-9 and rewrote them, they'd have to give it over to the Favreau, Filoni, Kasdan and BDH(?), right? Who would y'all want to see, and in what roles?

Honestly, if they continue with the quality of what they are producing for television, I don't care if they never make another theatrical film.

Hell, I'd pay money to watch this in a theater.

TCTTS

5:06p, 2/3/22

In reply to The Porkchop Express

helloimustbegoing said:
TCTTS said:
Imagine the potential of the current overall storyline if the sequel trilogy didn't exist.

Instead, as is, all I could think last night when I saw the temple being built was that Leia and Han's assh*le kid is eventually going to burn it down, kill all of his fellow students, and then Luke is going to turn into a bitter old recluse.

But what if we knew none of that was coming? Imagine the possibilities and the hope we'd have right now.

Granted, I still think they can pull off something incredible and Avengers-esque, with the reclaiming of Mandalore, Ashoka's story, etc, with it all crisscrossing/leading to some massive, MCU-style climax, one that will ultimately *feel* like a "replacement" sequel story of sorts. It just kind of sucks knowing there's a "cap" of sorts and that eventually all of this leads to Luke losing all hope, the dumb First Order, and f/cking Palpatine returning.
But that's only true for the Luke/Anakin story. Star Wars had thousands of years of stories if you're willing to move past the one that started 45 years ago. There are stories set thousands of years ago that started with one of the greatest, most replayable video games of all time. There are ones set 200 years in the future with Cade Skywalker fighting against the darkness as the last of his line. There are literally hundreds of books, "cannon" or not, that tell incredible stories - some even slightly better than "The Approaching Storm", and hundreds of comic book series.

You're a busy dude, but if you haven't watched Clone Wars and Rebel and Bad Batch, you're just limiting yourself from some amazing Star Wars stories that make what's going on right now that much more awesome.

Not to mention, in the right now of Mando/Fett, it's 9 years ABY which means it's 25 years before the first scene of The Force Awakens. TWENTY FIVE YEARS of ADVENTURES that are a totally blank slate right now. Twenty-five years of adventures for younger Luke, Han and Leia if they want to go there. Ahsoka and Thrawn and the Fett, and Grogu and Bo Katan and Ezra and Sabine. Luke Skywalker might save the galaxy 15 times between the end of ROTJ and the beginning of TFA and we'll get to see it play out across a ton of different formats.

This isn't a rant on you TC, I just happened to reply to your post. But regardless of what happens in the sequel trilogy and whether you like them or not, Star Wars is a massive blank slate that doesn't need to have anything shoe-horned in to any story, other than keeping a few characters alive for the next 2-1/2 decades. You know, in 25 years I'll be 73 and probably need to piss 3 times a night, but that doesn't mean I'm not excited about the next 2-1/2 decades of stories in my life. It's only BECAUSE of the sequels that all this great stuff is currently happening on the small screen.

Yeah, I think you're missing the point I was making, or at least overreacting to it a bit. I was merely saying that seeing Luke in any of these scenes is always bittersweet, because we know he's ultimately going to fail. We know his academy - that they literally show being built - is going to be burnt to the ground by his nephew whom he essentially betrays. And we know Luke is going to be so distraught over it that he's going to spend years in alone, in seclusion, on a remote island in a remote part of the galaxy. And you just can't "unsee" any of that as you watch these scenes.

But imagine if we didn't know any of that? Instead, these scenes with Luke would be full of so much hope and possibility for what's to come. And yes, we can still go on fun adventures with him over the next couple of decades, but there will ALWAYS be that cloud hanging overhead. And that sucks.

Similarly, Favreau and Filoni have said that a big part of all these series is seeing the origin of the First Order, and how it comes to be so powerful. On one hand, I think that could be really cool, and that the context will actually *help* the appearance of the First Order in the sequel trilogy not feel so shoehorned and redundant. But on the other hand, like with Luke, there's going to be a huge cloud hanging over all of it, knowing it's all ultimately going to end with some snotty, incompetent, red-headed punk running the day-to-day, a lame Palapatine clone (?) in Snoke pulling the strings, all the while they're trying to resurrect the actual Palpatine in the background.

That said, again, I get it. That's all 25 years away. And some really awesome stuff could absolutely go down in that 25 years. All I'm saying in response is that no matter how awesome, there will always be that cloud.

The Porkchop Express

5:07p, 2/3/22

In reply to YellowPot_97

YellowPot_97 said:
DukeMu said:
chase128 said:
After seeing this episode, what happens with Luke's Jedi academy in the sequels makes me even more pissed off.
Just have Jon Favreau redo 7, 8, 9.

And the deep fake technology is almost to the point where you don't need the original actors. We could have a sequel trilogy with the OT gang.

SpreadsheetAg

5:12p, 2/3/22

They could make BILLIONS more if they swallowed their pride and called those films "legends"