So this weekend we showed my 10 year old Episode 4-6 as she loves Mando and BoBF, and then Sunday she put Endgame on as she did some chores. What hit me was how the MCU did such an absolutely amazing job creating the universe they were in, the stakes that would be involved and it all culminating into that final battle. You cared. You were invested. But they did it by taking their time setting up this universe with 22 or so movies. The final SW trilogy was rushed, and there was no real direction like Feige gives the MCU. Sure, the MCU has its busts. Certain movies didn't work out as well. Hulk and Thor: The Dark World come to mind. But with SW, they were literally rewriting or just writing scenes as they filmed and it was like a HS cinema's club throwing something together as they went. SW deserved so much better. First, maybe lengthen or make more movies. Stop with having to set up things with one trilogy. Ya, it's tradition. But who cares. But if you have to stay with trilogies, do one showing the New Republic leading to the years that Ren and company come of age. Set things up. Have a "Phase 1" and "Phase 2" with 3 movies each for instance. And they could include Mando and Boba's stories or have the tv shows connect to Phase 1 then do the same with Phase 2. Ya, it's copying the MCU. But it works! And it's SW. The movies will make money. I may not like that Luke never gets to recreate the Jedi Order and his school fails. But if you can tell the story over time, it would make sense. Set up how the NR probably should have straight up demanded unconditional surrender vs allowing the remnants of the Empire to exist and come back to power. There are reasons explained in the comics and books but the movies do not go into it. The side of the politics would have been interesting and helped the story. Explain why there is a damn clone of Palpatine! And was this always the plan? And why does it HAVE to be the Emperor? Why not have another Sith fill in the gap left behind? Then set up the cloning of Force sensitive being as a way to create a clone Sith Order connected the the idea that turning Jedi only ended in failure as they can turn back. Set up what seems to be an interesting story line we are seeing in all the way back in the time line with The Bad Batch and continuing with The Mandalorian after episode 6. Don't just rewrite Ep 4 and go with it...Brian Earl Spilner said:
Also, I couldn't agree more with that video on the aspect of needing to see more politics in the ST. We needed to see the new Senate actually functioning before it was destroyed. Give us a sense of the political state of the galaxy. Make us CARE when the capital is destroyed. Pretty sure I made that complaint even at the time, but as a prequel fan that kind of comment gets dismissed or ridiculed.
Anyway sorry for the derail. That's all I've got to say about that.
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redline248 said:
Honestly, the vespa chase episode was the only one I thought was "bad." I have other complaints, mostly about Boba's apparent lack of knowledge about the crime world, but have generally enjoyed the show.
It's by no means perfect, of course.
Yeah, having the wannabe crime boss needing crimes explained to him almost every episode is dumb. How hard would it be to let Boba explain something to someone else instead of always having to be the stand-in for the viewer. The guy was a renown bounty hunter!
In retrospect, it actually is a bit strange that they felt so married to the idea of tying everything up in a single trilogy. They could've made one trilogy, but one that wasn't so final and left things open to a fourth trilogy down the road.
I suppose that's still possible, but clearly not the intent.
I suppose that's still possible, but clearly not the intent.
So I checked the Ahsoka TV on IMDB. it lists Sabine I question if this person will also be in the Boba Fett finale. but probably not.
One thing I've kinda hope for is that Ahsoka shows up in the Kenobi show. That would be the most meaningful reunion to date.
Props to the term "flash-bacta"
Arrakis ecologist said:
So I checked the Ahsoka TV on IMDB. it lists Sabine I question if this person will also be in the Boba Fett finale. but probably not.
IMDb is rarely accurate this far out
Arrakis ecologist said:
So I checked the Ahsoka TV on IMDB. it lists Sabine I question if this person will also be in the Boba Fett finale. but probably not.
I'd love to have Sabine show up in Mando Season 3 to train him on how to use the Dark Saber. Maybe even give us some flashbacks to Rebels.
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Agree. Makes me wonder if someone like Dave Filoni or Jon Favreau were in charge of things (or at least in charge of writing) at the time that Eps 7-9 were being put together what kind of story we could have had. I am at a point where I wish they'd just "multi-verse" the finished eps 7-9 and start over. Won't happen but very disappointing we could not have gotten something better...Brian Earl Spilner said:
In retrospect, it actually is a bit strange that they felt so married to the idea of tying everything up in a single trilogy. They could've made one trilogy, but one that wasn't so final and left things open to a fourth trilogy down the road.
I suppose that's still possible, but clearly not the intent.
Just JJ Abrams Star Trek it. Uh, Death Star worm hole, uh Luke gets sucked in, and um, has to teach a whole new young cast about Star Wars! Gold!!!!
Some minor "plot holes" / possible questions:
How did Mando learn that the Jedi he saw was Luke Skywalker? (Maybe got the info from Gideon?)
How did he know where he and Grogu were? This is a big one.
If Luke wants the drop him back with Mando, how will he know where he is? Force GPS works between two force users, but we never see an exchange implying Luke or Ahsoka knows where to search for Mando.
How did Mando learn that the Jedi he saw was Luke Skywalker? (Maybe got the info from Gideon?)
How did he know where he and Grogu were? This is a big one.
If Luke wants the drop him back with Mando, how will he know where he is? Force GPS works between two force users, but we never see an exchange implying Luke or Ahsoka knows where to search for Mando.
With the Empire presumably fallen apart and the New Republic established enough to be the law in the Outer Rim, "Luke Skywalker to establish new Jedi Academy on ____" is probably on the Galactic news feeds if not outright being pushed by the New Republic press corps as a way of further legitimizing themselves as the successors to the old Republic.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Some minor "plot holes" / possible questions:
How did Mando learn that the Jedi he saw was Luke Skywalker? (Maybe got the info from Gideon?)
How did he know where he and Grogu were? This is a big one.
If Luke wants the drop him back with Mando, how will he know where he is? Force GPS works between two force users, but we never see an exchange implying Luke or Ahsoka knows where to search for Mando.
Bounty Hunter [/hand wave]
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Some minor "plot holes" / possible questions:
How did Mando learn that the Jedi he saw was Luke Skywalker? (Maybe got the info from Gideon?)
How did he know where he and Grogu were? This is a big one.
If Luke wants the drop him back with Mando, how will he know where he is? Force GPS works between two force users, but we never see an exchange implying Luke or Ahsoka knows where to search for Mando.
Maybe Mando had a tracker beacon for Grogu? (Or maybe Grogu ate it, lol)
I've always wondered how people magically landed in the correct general area on a planet to find someone. Not just in the SW universe. In any show with space travel.
Plus not every single thing has to be in a scene for it to be knowledge. Mando could easily tell Ahsoka, if Grogu needs me, I'll be on Tatooine with Boba Fett before he lifted off. Sometimes we have to assume information passes from one person to another between scenes.Red Five said:With the Empire presumably fallen apart and the New Republic established enough to be the law in the Outer Rim, "Luke Skywalker to establish new Jedi Academy on ____" is probably on the Galactic news feeds if not outright being pushed by the New Republic press corps as a way of further legitimizing themselves as the successors to the old Republic.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Some minor "plot holes" / possible questions:
How did Mando learn that the Jedi he saw was Luke Skywalker? (Maybe got the info from Gideon?)
How did he know where he and Grogu were? This is a big one.
If Luke wants the drop him back with Mando, how will he know where he is? Force GPS works between two force users, but we never see an exchange implying Luke or Ahsoka knows where to search for Mando.
maroon barchetta said:
I've always wondered how people magically landed in the correct general area on a planet to find someone. Not just in the SW universe. In any show with space travel.
Sensors
powerbelly said:maroon barchetta said:
I've always wondered how people magically landed in the correct general area on a planet to find someone. Not just in the SW universe. In any show with space travel.
Sensors
"Put the whales on screen."
"YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!!"
Tracking fobs are a plot device they're going to have to explain away
I don't really want to see that. I know the story, I don't need it told on screen. I'd rather she encounter people she knew in that past life. I'm way more excited to see her reuniting with Sabine and/or Eztra Bridger, Zev, and hopefully Thrawn, although I don't think she had any scenes directly with Thrawn.Brian Earl Spilner said:You mean the entire fanbase's, including yourself.helloimustbegoing said:
Imagine Spilner's face when the premiere of Ahsoka is her sitting with Luke and saying, ".. and that's the entire story? Wow that's incredible, thanks for sharing."
Having Ahsoka reunite with Anakin as Vader in Rebels > her talking to Luke.
The empire required everyone to get a vaccine that contained a tracking chip.Decay said:
Tracking fobs are a plot device they're going to have to explain away
The tracking fob is a possible explanation for Mando finding Grogu, but it would be pretty dumb for Luke to either 1) not know that it exists, or 2) not care that anybody in the galaxy can essentially still find him.
Sure there are "assumed exchanges" at times, but in the S2 finale, there was zero conversations that could've taken place between Luke and anyone else that we didn't see.
Luke being able to find Mando, I can accept given that Ahsoka might have had a subsequent convo with him before he left.
Sure there are "assumed exchanges" at times, but in the S2 finale, there was zero conversations that could've taken place between Luke and anyone else that we didn't see.
Luke being able to find Mando, I can accept given that Ahsoka might have had a subsequent convo with him before he left.
Maybe not you then, but you'd be one among pretty much everyone else who was even a casual Clone Wars fan. That was the single most mentioned thing in all the reactions I watched.
Not sure why you think that's a "me" thing.
Plus, you knowing the story is pretty much irrelevant. It's about Luke learning it. We saw how little he knew about his father throughout the OT, even after ROTJ.
An Ashoka and Vader reunion is great, but nobody is learning anything new.
Not sure why you think that's a "me" thing.
Plus, you knowing the story is pretty much irrelevant. It's about Luke learning it. We saw how little he knew about his father throughout the OT, even after ROTJ.
An Ashoka and Vader reunion is great, but nobody is learning anything new.
powerbelly said:The empire required everyone to get a vaccine that contained a tracking chip.Decay said:
Tracking fobs are a plot device they're going to have to explain away
Capitol Ag said:
I am at a point where I wish they'd just "multi-verse" the finished eps 7-9 and start over. Won't happen but very disappointing we could not have gotten something better...
Filoni introduced the idea of time travel into Star Wars in an episode of Rebels that aired in Feb 2018, months after the Last Jedi premiered. I'm convinced that this was no accident.
I guess I would feel different if it were Mark Hamill really being Luke, but using the technology to have him and Ahsoka tell each other a story and nod a few times doesn't seem worth it.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Maybe not you then, but you'd be one among pretty much everyone else who was even a casual Clone Wars fan. That was the single most mentioned thing in all the reactions I watched.
Not sure why you think that's a "me" thing.
Plus, you knowing the story is pretty much irrelevant. It's about Luke learning it. We saw how little he knew about his father throughout the OT, even after ROTJ.
An Ashoka and Vader reunion is great, but nobody is learning anything new.
Ahsoka/Anakin live action flashbacks would be cool.
The Ahsoka/Vader confrontation in Rebels (it's a cartoon) was one of the greatest moments if not the greatest moment in SW animated history.
Beyond what Luke learns, it would be cool to see Ahsoka learn the fact that Anakin was redeemed before his death.
Especially after that confrontation you mentioned.
Especially after that confrontation you mentioned.
Naw all the blame for the bad BoBF episodes should go to Kathleen Kennedy.I Have Spoken said:
Does RR really deserve all of the blame for his two episodes? I thought the story sucked.
Clone Wars suggests she felt when he turned the Dark Side at the launch of Order 66, perhaps she already knows he was redeemed through their Force connection.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Beyond what Luke learns, it would be cool to see Ahsoka learn the fact that Anakin was redeemed before his death.
Especially after that confrontation you mentioned.
Now that I'd pay for, the Ahsoka premiere starting off with the final battle from ROTJ and her sensing Anakin's redemption and becoming one with the Force from where ever she was.
I feel like a traitor saying this, but I think I'm slightly looking more forward to her series than to Kenobi right now.
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The Ahsoka/Vader confrontation in Rebels (it's a cartoon) was one of the greatest moments if not the greatest moment in SW animated history.
That was my thought up until the final scene of clone wars.
That final 4-episode arc, edited into ROTS, it masterful.
I recommend downloading that and giving it a watch. About 4 hours long. I don't have a link but it's available if you look on Reddit.
I recommend downloading that and giving it a watch. About 4 hours long. I don't have a link but it's available if you look on Reddit.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
That final 4-episode arc, edited into ROTS, it masterful.
I recommend downloading that and giving it a watch. About 4 hours long. I don't have a link but it's available if you look on Reddit.
Similar to Luke, we know where Obi-Wan's story ends. There is really a finite amount of room to do storytelling for him. It will be cool...but there's only so much he can do.Quote:
I feel like a traitor saying this, but I think I'm slightly looking more forward to her series than to Kenobi right now.
Ahsoka's possibilities are practically limitless.
I'm with Spilner. Luke grew up his entire life knowing nothing of his father except that his uncle disapproved of him until he meets Kenobi and is told his father was a hero murdered by Vader, then that Vader himself, the worst person in the whole galaxy, is his father. Still he was able to believe that his father could be redeemed and successfully did so.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Maybe not you then, but you'd be one among pretty much everyone else who was even a casual Clone Wars fan. That was the single most mentioned thing in all the reactions I watched.
Not sure why you think that's a "me" thing.
Plus, you knowing the story is pretty much irrelevant. It's about Luke learning it. We saw how little he knew about his father throughout the OT, even after ROTJ.
An Ashoka and Vader reunion is great, but nobody is learning anything new.
Jedi or not, Luke has to be dying to know what his father was like before becoming Vader. He only ever was able to know him as Vader. I think it would be a powerful conversation.