Kind of. Favreau was doing some interesting things with previs and real time production on Jungle Book and later Lion King, but ILM was already working on lots of things related to real time production as well. Favreau certainly pushed it to happen sooner than it likely would have, but the tech has been evolving towards this for a while now.helloimustbegoing said:
But Favreau was working on the Jungle Book at the time that TFA was really gearing up, so he couldn't have been doing the sequels. Moreover, if it hadn't been for him doing the Jungle Book, the Volume would never have been created, and the way that Mando and now BOBF are being filmed wouldn't have been possible.
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chase128 said:
I wish they'd scrap the sequels and let F&F do them over
The sequels and prequels are just fan fiction as far as I'm concerned.
The making of the Mandalorian Season 1 doc on Disney+ says otherwise.fig96 said:Kind of. Favreau was doing some interesting things with previs and real time production on Jungle Book and later Lion King, but ILM was already working on lots of things related to real time production as well. Favreau certainly pushed it to happen sooner than it likely would have, but the tech has been evolving towards this for a while now.helloimustbegoing said:
But Favreau was working on the Jungle Book at the time that TFA was really gearing up, so he couldn't have been doing the sequels. Moreover, if it hadn't been for him doing the Jungle Book, the Volume would never have been created, and the way that Mando and now BOBF are being filmed wouldn't have been possible.
TXAG 05 said:chase128 said:
I wish they'd scrap the sequels and let F&F do them over
The sequels and prequels are just fan fiction as far as I'm concerned.
"Fan fiction" might be too nice lol
Did they really spend more screen time having Boba Fett catch the rat catching droid in the kitchen as they did having Boba Fett wiping out the "motorcycle gang" that wiped out his adopted tribe?
TXAG 05 said:chase128 said:
I wish they'd scrap the sequels and let F&F do them over
The sequels and prequels are just fan fiction as far as I'm concerned.
The prequels are literally the purest form of Stat Wars that exist. (Ie closest to George Lucas' vision with minimal input from other writers, directors, or producers.)
For better or worse, but it is the farthest from fan fiction as possible.
Brian Earl Spilner said:TXAG 05 said:chase128 said:
I wish they'd scrap the sequels and let F&F do them over
The sequels and prequels are just fan fiction as far as I'm concerned.
The prequels are literally the purest form of Stat Wars that exist. (Ie closest to George Lucas' vision with minimal input from other writers, directors, or producers.)
For better or worse, but it is the farthest from fan fiction as possible.
I would venture out on a ledge and argue that 1977's Star Wars is the purest form of Star Wars that exists.
Obviously talking about anything after the original.
Obviously.
TCTTS said:
Obviously.
Though, you could actually argue that even ANH still wasn't as close to the original vision as the prequels are, given all the limitations with visual effects. Lucas has talked at length about how much things had to be pared down because of that.
chase128 said:TCTTS said:
Obviously.
Soo…what did it say?helloimustbegoing said:The making of the Mandalorian Season 1 doc on Disney+ says otherwise.fig96 said:Kind of. Favreau was doing some interesting things with previs and real time production on Jungle Book and later Lion King, but ILM was already working on lots of things related to real time production as well. Favreau certainly pushed it to happen sooner than it likely would have, but the tech has been evolving towards this for a while now.helloimustbegoing said:
But Favreau was working on the Jungle Book at the time that TFA was really gearing up, so he couldn't have been doing the sequels. Moreover, if it hadn't been for him doing the Jungle Book, the Volume would never have been created, and the way that Mando and now BOBF are being filmed wouldn't have been possible.
I think the "golden age of TV" is doing a number to movies. Telling an involved story over ~10 episodes works so much better than in a single 2.5 hour block. Plus the audience is more forgiving of silliness (rat catcher is a perfect example) because it doesn't waste a ton of precious screen time.
It's true. Most of the best stories in recent years have been limited series like Haunting of Hill House, Queen's Gambit, Chernobyl, etc.
Which is a reason I am so excited for Obi-Wan. When the movie was first cancelled and then announced as a series, there was a bit of disappointment. But after a reflection period, and seeing how great TV has been of late, I'm even more excited than before.
We probably wouldn't have even gotten Anakin/Vader in a two hour movie.
How amazing would it be to get an episode focusing on Vader in those first few years after the Mustafar duel?
Which is a reason I am so excited for Obi-Wan. When the movie was first cancelled and then announced as a series, there was a bit of disappointment. But after a reflection period, and seeing how great TV has been of late, I'm even more excited than before.
We probably wouldn't have even gotten Anakin/Vader in a two hour movie.
How amazing would it be to get an episode focusing on Vader in those first few years after the Mustafar duel?
Another smaller thing is being able to see die hard Star Wars fan reactions on YouTube. Sure you're losing the theater experience, but the reactions somewhat make up for it.
Can't tell you how many videos I saw of people absolutely losing their **** at Luke's arrival in Mando, and I enjoyed them all.
Can't tell you how many videos I saw of people absolutely losing their **** at Luke's arrival in Mando, and I enjoyed them all.
What I posted.fig96 said:Soo…what did it say?helloimustbegoing said:The making of the Mandalorian Season 1 doc on Disney+ says otherwise.fig96 said:Kind of. Favreau was doing some interesting things with previs and real time production on Jungle Book and later Lion King, but ILM was already working on lots of things related to real time production as well. Favreau certainly pushed it to happen sooner than it likely would have, but the tech has been evolving towards this for a while now.helloimustbegoing said:
But Favreau was working on the Jungle Book at the time that TFA was really gearing up, so he couldn't have been doing the sequels. Moreover, if it hadn't been for him doing the Jungle Book, the Volume would never have been created, and the way that Mando and now BOBF are being filmed wouldn't have been possible.
Which is vague as hell, hence the question.helloimustbegoing said:What I posted.fig96 said:Soo…what did it say?helloimustbegoing said:The making of the Mandalorian Season 1 doc on Disney+ says otherwise.fig96 said:Kind of. Favreau was doing some interesting things with previs and real time production on Jungle Book and later Lion King, but ILM was already working on lots of things related to real time production as well. Favreau certainly pushed it to happen sooner than it likely would have, but the tech has been evolving towards this for a while now.helloimustbegoing said:
But Favreau was working on the Jungle Book at the time that TFA was really gearing up, so he couldn't have been doing the sequels. Moreover, if it hadn't been for him doing the Jungle Book, the Volume would never have been created, and the way that Mando and now BOBF are being filmed wouldn't have been possible.
Wouldn't have been created because he drove it forward, tech that was created, etc.? VFX work on those films wasn't done by ILM.
I actually have some friends that animated on Lion Kong and per them the production process was a bit of a nightmare.
Maybe just watch the documentary then. That's where I got my info.fig96 said:Which is vague as hell, hence the question.helloimustbegoing said:What I posted.fig96 said:Soo…what did it say?helloimustbegoing said:The making of the Mandalorian Season 1 doc on Disney+ says otherwise.fig96 said:Kind of. Favreau was doing some interesting things with previs and real time production on Jungle Book and later Lion King, but ILM was already working on lots of things related to real time production as well. Favreau certainly pushed it to happen sooner than it likely would have, but the tech has been evolving towards this for a while now.helloimustbegoing said:
But Favreau was working on the Jungle Book at the time that TFA was really gearing up, so he couldn't have been doing the sequels. Moreover, if it hadn't been for him doing the Jungle Book, the Volume would never have been created, and the way that Mando and now BOBF are being filmed wouldn't have been possible.
Wouldn't have been created because he drove it forward, tech that was created, etc.? VFX work on those films wasn't done by ILM.
I actually have some friends that animated on Lion Kong and per them the production process was a bit of a nightmare.
Most of those are fakeBrian Earl Spilner said:
Another smaller thing is being able to see die hard Star Wars fan reactions on YouTube. Sure you're losing the theater experience, but the reactions somewhat make up for it.
Can't tell you how many videos I saw of people absolutely losing their **** at Luke's arrival in Mando, and I enjoyed them all.
Pretty easy to tell when they are. I have my rotation of real Star Wars fans that I watch.
Super helpful for discussion, thanks.helloimustbegoing said:Maybe just watch the documentary then. That's where I got my info.fig96 said:Which is vague as hell, hence the question.helloimustbegoing said:What I posted.fig96 said:Soo…what did it say?helloimustbegoing said:The making of the Mandalorian Season 1 doc on Disney+ says otherwise.fig96 said:Kind of. Favreau was doing some interesting things with previs and real time production on Jungle Book and later Lion King, but ILM was already working on lots of things related to real time production as well. Favreau certainly pushed it to happen sooner than it likely would have, but the tech has been evolving towards this for a while now.helloimustbegoing said:
But Favreau was working on the Jungle Book at the time that TFA was really gearing up, so he couldn't have been doing the sequels. Moreover, if it hadn't been for him doing the Jungle Book, the Volume would never have been created, and the way that Mando and now BOBF are being filmed wouldn't have been possible.
Wouldn't have been created because he drove it forward, tech that was created, etc.? VFX work on those films wasn't done by ILM.
I actually have some friends that animated on Lion Kong and per them the production process was a bit of a nightmare.
If you're watching these shows, I'm assuming you have disney plus. The documentary I'm referencing came out at least 2 years ago. If you're so interested in what it said, go watch it. Sorry I can't remember verbatim for you what was said.
I watched it two years ago but don't remember the specific discussion, I'm speaking on my knowledge of the other productions.
If you remember enough to comment on what it said I'd think you'd remember enough to elaborate on what you said, or just say you didn't remember details if that was the case.
If you remember enough to comment on what it said I'd think you'd remember enough to elaborate on what you said, or just say you didn't remember details if that was the case.
Yea, I would love to know how to allocate credit/blame on stuff like that between the writing/creative team and the director. If we give them credit for the things that look great and work, then they probably have to take blame for what has gone wrong on Book of Boba Fett right?JCRiley09 said:
Maybe Finn his crew can ride vespas across a star destroyer instead of horses.
These guys are good, but they aren't gods.
Or is it more realistic that a lot of credit should have been shared with the directors of the various Mandalorian episodes that were great?
All I remember of it, was that it was super cool seeing them show it being used and showing off what it could do. Hope this helps.fig96 said:
I watched it two years ago but don't remember the specific discussion, I'm speaking on my knowledge of the other productions.
If you remember enough to comment on what it said I'd think you'd remember enough to elaborate on what you said, or just say you didn't remember details if that was the case.
helloimustbegoing said:
I DON'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS, THAT IS THE CASE.
Damn bro.
Seems like a bit of an overreaction. He shared a story, you replied and said he was wrong because of what you saw in the behind the scenes video. Not an unrealistic expectation for you to describe what you saw/heard, if you based an opinion off of it.
PatAg said:All I remember of it, was that it was super cool seeing them show it being used and showing off what it could do. Hope this helps.fig96 said:
I watched it two years ago but don't remember the specific discussion, I'm speaking on my knowledge of the other productions.
If you remember enough to comment on what it said I'd think you'd remember enough to elaborate on what you said, or just say you didn't remember details if that was the case.
Appreciate it, I'm familiar with the tech but don't remember the details of how it all developed.
PatAg said:Yea, I would love to know how to allocate credit/blame on stuff like that between the writing/creative team and the director. If we give them credit for the things that look great and work, then they probably have to take blame for what has gone wrong on Book of Boba Fett right?JCRiley09 said:
Maybe Finn his crew can ride vespas across a star destroyer instead of horses.
These guys are good, but they aren't gods.
Or is it more realistic that a lot of credit should have been shared with the directors of the various Mandalorian episodes that were great?
Favreau & Filoni's forte is knowing exactly where Star Wars fans' G-spot is. They're really, really good at fan service and fan "moments" and Easter eggs and stuff like that. That said, they're not particularly stellar storytellers, IMO, at least in this particular medium. Of course, The Mandalorian now looks like The Godfather in comparison to The Book of Boba Fett, but in and of itself, Mando is pretty run-of-the-mill storytelling, a bit piecemeal and disjointed, features all kinds of stilted dialogue, is seemingly made for a tween audience, etc. F&F absolutely deserve all the success and accolades for everything Mando and BOBF have done right, for the massive popularity of Grogu, for revolutionizing production with their contributions to the volume, etc. And if they had been in charge of the sequels, hardcore fans might *like* those movies more... but I don't think the movies would necessarily be any better, if that makes sense. Higher highs but also probably lower lows.
In short, the credit due to them for the things fans love is justified, but when either show is bad, I'd put the blame squarely on their lack of storytelling skills for episodic, multi-season television.
This is what I was tending to believe, but then in your opinion, when can you tell in a show/movie how a director is impacting what we see?
I would think action scenes, or how scenes are shot/framed would matter. To some extent they must have discretion to alter the dialogue, or how it is delivered as well.
But even how a scene is shot would maybe go more towards the cinematographer than the director? Lot of gray areas
I would think action scenes, or how scenes are shot/framed would matter. To some extent they must have discretion to alter the dialogue, or how it is delivered as well.
But even how a scene is shot would maybe go more towards the cinematographer than the director? Lot of gray areas
No lower low than Luke tossing away the lightsaber or that horribly awkward kiss between Finn and Rose. (Much worse than anything in the prequels, even.)
Mandalorian and Boba Fett are both extremely thin gruel.