Awesome inside info/easter eggs in this video. Loved a lot of them - was unaware of several.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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That's pretty good.

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it's better than bringing galactic war over a piece of tail.....I remember reading RotS and got to the part where Anikan 'turned' to the dark side...I was thinking "are you kidding me...that's IT....he's trying to keep his woman alive based off the comments of a KNOW LIAR (Palpatine) saying he knows how to bring back the dead so he kills 1000's.....)

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Apparently you haven't seen Black Swan

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Okay, I only saw the movie once and was just awestruck by this scene.

I didn't notice that Holdo not only took out the Dreadnaught, but what? A half dozen or more other Star Destroyers? She just killed a TON of people with that maneuver. That's pretty impressive.

Very cool cinematic moment.

Very uncool plot hole.

Belton Ag said:

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bangobango said:

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I don't know you man and you may be being 100% honest and forthright I have no idea, but I will never believe you have actually talked to 40-50 people about this movie. Sorry.

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You've made the claim on this thread that - beyond the apparent pressure Disney has placed on other media outlets to falsify their ratings for the film - the response to the film is "almost universally negative." That claim is bull***** It's not universally loved, to be sure, and it's falling below what they'd hoped, but it's not "universally negative." And it's not going to be some franchise killer.

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No, it probably won't be a franchise killer, because star wars is "too big to fail."

But I don't think there is any doubt this movie turned away a lot of long time fans. Will they probably see the next movie? yes, because just like a ten novel book series you start reading, you really want to see how it ends even if the eighth book sucked.

But I think people were more invested in the Skywalker saga than Disney and Johnson realized.

They may backtrack from this after the reaction to this movie, but the way that they appear to be heading is that they want to capitalize on the Setting of Star Wars and not the cannon or history.

There will be a lot of people who watch Star Wars because it is Star Wars and they like the light sabers and the blasters, but I think there are a lot of people like me that once they move the story past the Skywalker trilogy we will lose a lot of interest. Maybe the younger generation will pick up the slack, though, who knows?

At some point in the near future they are going to make a movie that does not involve any of the characters or the history of the original trilogy. In fact, if they leave Luke dead and deal with Fisher off camera somehow, then the very next movie may be the first star wars film or television media that is not somewhat tangentially relate to:

Luke, Leia, Han, Vader, the Republic, or the Empire.

It will be a show that has to stand all on its own. At that point, I don't have near as much interest in the property as I did before.

Do you think the characters that they are creating in this new trilogy have the depth and the fandom to sustain the franchise going forward? Are you going to be interested to see a Finn prequel thirty years from now? Or a tv show featuring all the unseen battles between the Resistance and the First Order?

Are there any characters like Yoda or Obi Wan that their back story really intrigues you? That you want to see more of? Rose? Phasma? You think they will draw in viewers?

bangobango said:

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Belton Ag said:

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bangobango said:

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I don't know you man and you may be being 100% honest and forthright I have no idea, but I will never believe you have actually talked to 40-50 people about this movie. Sorry.

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You've made the claim on this thread that - beyond the apparent pressure Disney has placed on other media outlets to falsify their ratings for the film - the response to the film is "almost universally negative." That claim is bull***** It's not universally loved, to be sure, and it's falling below what they'd hoped, but it's not "universally negative." And it's not going to be some franchise killer.

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No, it probably won't be a franchise killer, because star wars is "too big to fail."

But I don't think there is any doubt this movie turned away a lot of long time fans. Will they probably see the next movie? yes, because just like a ten novel book series you start reading, you really want to see how it ends even if the eighth book sucked.

But I think people were more invested in the Skywalker saga than Disney and Johnson realized.

They may backtrack from this after the reaction to this movie, but the way that they appear to be heading is that they want to capitalize on the Setting of Star Wars and not the cannon or history.

There will be a lot of people who watch Star Wars because it is Star Wars and they like the light sabers and the blasters, but I think there are a lot of people like me that once they move the story past the Skywalker trilogy we will lose a lot of interest. Maybe the younger generation will pick up the slack, though, who knows?

At some point in the near future they are going to make a movie that does not involve any of the characters or the history of the original trilogy. In fact, if they leave Luke dead and deal with Fisher off camera somehow, then the very next movie may be the first star wars film or television media that is not somewhat tangentially relate to:

Luke, Leia, Han, Vader, the Republic, or the Empire.

It will be a show that has to stand all on its own. At that point, I don't have near as much interest in the property as I did before.

Do you think the characters that they are creating in this new trilogy have the depth and the fandom to sustain the franchise going forward? Are you going to be interested to see a Finn prequel thirty years from now? Or a tv show featuring all the unseen battles between the Resistance and the First Order?

Are there any characters like Yoda or Obi Wan that their back story really intrigues you? That you want to see more of? Rose? Phasma? You think they will draw in viewers?

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We've known for a while now that the Skywalker story arc was going to come to an end in Ep IX, so no matter what happened in TLJ, we know they won't have these characters to fall back upon. Knowing that, I'm not sure why you'd have the problems you describe in this post. Do you not like the Rey character? She seems to be very popular and they're going to lean on her pretty heavily in the next film. None of what has happened in the last two movies (in terms of their lives and deaths) has been a surprise, the only thing that was surprising was how Johnson handled Luke's story, which I admit was the weakest part of TLJ (crappy casino planet storyline notwithstanding).

Bottom line is Luke was going to go out anyway, so was Leia. I personally think that Rey and Kylo are compelling enough characters to drive Ep. IX.

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Do you not like the Rey character?

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She is the least interesting main character Star Wars has ever had.

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I think she's not super interesting right now. I think she will be super interesting in Episode IX.

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powerbelly said:

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She is the least interesting main character Star Wars has ever had.

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I think she's not super interesting right now. I think she will be super interesting in Episode IX.

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why? not being difficult, i'm genuinely curious what others think.

She started off a nobody on a planet waiting for her family.
She awakened the force and is powerful enough to not need any training for lightsaber battle or for meditating and lifting heavy objects.
She has seemingly accepted that her biological parents are gone and not coming back.
She has found a family in the resistance and defends them as such.
She has been tempted by the dark side and resisted.
She has defeated her only adversary once already.

What's left for her except to defeat Kylo again?

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She is the least interesting main character Star Wars has ever had.

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But I don't think the rest of the movie going world thinks that.

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Had that been Leia after doing a "force goodbye" to Luke when he was across the galaxy, says something like she will see Han soon, then closes her eyes and a flashback to the memories/millennium falcon kiss, and then peaces the fk out...

That'd have been the 2nd greatest moment in star wars history.

Instead it was just a top 10/top 5.

what a huge missed opportunity

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Just imagining this, ugh. **** you.

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I really do wonder if the phenomenon of Star Wars Fatigue is a very real cause here.

First off, whether there was a massive underground review rebellion or there's tens of thousands of Lucasfilm robots writing reviews out there doesn't really matter. The film is getting at least generally positive reviews, and box office and film quality have only ever been loosely correlated at best.

But if we go back to TFA, that film was an event . The first new Star Wars film in over a decade, new director, new characters, new worlds, coverage on every channel you can think of...the hype was just off the charts.

Even Rogue One was a pretty big deal, the first Star Wars spinoff. Would it be different, would it work? And most of us agree it was a pretty great success.

And now TLJ...the third Star Wars film in three years, along with animated series and video games and new toys and merch. I was certainly excited to see it, but there wasn't that crazy anticipation like there was for the others. And I'd imagine many other people felt the same way.

I hate to say it, but a Star Wars release just isn't quite as special as it was even a few years ago.

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Fatigue may play in for general fans, but for my household this movie didn't hold it's own. We are still excited about Rebels coming back and we still listen to many of the new canon books (won't pick up the one above though). I'll still enjoy the universe and keep watching series and reading the books, but I really want Episode IX to be great and I'm concerned it will just be okay like TLJ.

Even though I wanted Luke to be a bad ass in person (would have been great to see him as the former EU had him, thinking about Vader in RogueOne but a good guy) I could appreciate how he went out.
That didn't save it from the Poe/Finn story lines and the Leia force flight for us.

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wangus12 said:

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Had that been Leia after doing a "force goodbye" to Luke when he was across the galaxy, says something like she will see Han soon, then closes her eyes and a flashback to the memories/millennium falcon kiss, and then peaces the fk out...

That'd have been the 2nd greatest moment in star wars history.

Instead it was just a top 10/top 5.

what a huge missed opportunity

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Agree. I might have teared up.

Rian should have known that you have to give the fans SOME red meat... (a lightsaber battle with red guards, and killing an underdeveloped Snoke was not enough)

Having Leia actually die on screen would have been extremely bad taste to me. That's why I didn't particularly care for the scene of her floating in space even before she superman'd back to the ship. It just felt emotionally manipulative.

Interestingly, a franchise that handled a similar situation really well is the one your username is from.

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bangobango said:

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But I think people were more invested in the Skywalker saga than Disney and Johnson realized.

They may backtrack from this after the reaction to this movie, but the way that they appear to be heading is that they want to capitalize on the Setting of Star Wars and not the cannon or history.

There will be a lot of people who watch Star Wars because it is Star Wars and they like the light sabers and the blasters, but I think there are a lot of people like me that once they move the story past the Skywalker trilogy we will lose a lot of interest. Maybe the younger generation will pick up the slack, though, who knows?

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We've known for a while now that the Skywalker story arc was going to come to an end in Ep IX, so no matter what happened in TLJ, we know they won't have these characters to fall back upon.
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I guess we're forgetting another character from the Skywalker lineage who is still very much alive and is currently the main antagonist?

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I think we are probably going to see the opening of IX with the end of a Funeral Ceremony for Leia.

Every Star Wars scene after the opening scrawl is in space focusing on a ship...

What if:

SCRAWL...
... PRINCESS LEIA HAS BECOME ONE WITH THE FORCE...
...SCRAWL

Pan down to show the Millenium Falcon attached to a very large asteroid by itself in space. The Falcon lifts off leaving behind a white cylinder on the surface of the asteroid with an inscription like "Leia Organa Solo, Rebel, Fighter, Princess..."

Zoom out as the Falcon lifts off to show that the asteroid is the largest in a field of asteroids of what was left of Alderaan...

Cut to Rey, Chewie, Finn, and Poe on the Falcon trying to decide where to go next..

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Somebody get this guy the # to Kathleen Kennedy please

I like the idea that there's a big time jump before the next movie. I could see Leia's funeral as something that brings the Jedi that Rey has been training out of hiding and the movie basically starts with a first order strike on them leaving the funeral (Kylo is obsessed with finding Rey, but can't bring himself to disrupt his mother's funeral service.

I could even see the First Order trying to use Leia's funeral as cover of a plan to try to "forgive" the rebels. Kylo goes through a big show of acting emotionally devastated, acts like he wants the fighting to stop, etc but it's all an act to wipe them out for good.

Those are incomplete thoughts obviously, but just spitballing.

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Jedi that Rey has been training out of hiding

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Did I miss something about Rey training others?

I tear up every damn time.

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Did I miss something about Rey training others?

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She does have the books... if it's a big time jump (4-5 years) its conceivable.

Gotcha.

She has the jedi texts and there's clearly a hint at the end of The Last Jedi that there are people powerful with the force out there. Again, it would require a pretty big time jump before the events of the next movie start.

"It's been 10 years since the handful of rebels escaped from Scarif. Leia has been covertly scouring the galaxy trying to reorganize the rebellion. Rey has begun training a new generation of Jedi. The First Order hasn't given up the search, but with the death of Snoke was forced to focus efforts elsewhere...."

Something along those lines.

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She has the jedi texts and there's clearly a hint at the end of The Last Jedi that there are people powerful with the force out there. Again, it would require a pretty big time jump before the events of the next movie start.

"It's been 10 years since the handful of rebels escaped from Scarif. Leia has been covertly scouring the galaxy trying to reorganize the rebellion. Rey has begun training a new generation of Jedi. The First Order hasn't given up the search, but with the death of Snoke was forced to focus efforts elsewhere...."

Something along those lines.

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It makes sense, even if this is all leading to Kylo Ren winning...

Rey goes into exile with a Jedi cabal.

Kylo Ren wins as Emperor / Supreme Leader. But there is a contingent of "forgotten" force-users / rebels who survive.

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New Trilogy to take on Kylo in 50 years or his successor(s) in 1000 years...

What's interesting is people haven't been talking about the kids telling Luke's story at the end of TLJ. Now unless the Holonet broadcasted the live-feed of the Kylo vs Luke in abstentia showdown, a legend like that ones takes more than a few days to get spread around.

IMO, we are already several months after the showdown at the end of TLJ. It would take at least that long for a legend like that make its way across the galaxy.

Making Eps 7-9 the Prequel Trilogy of the Disney era.

The planet with the casino frequented by gun industry big wigs would probably be the first to hear.

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The planet with the casino frequented by gun industry big wigs would probably be the first to hear.

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And I'm sure the galaxy's upper crust would immediately run down to the poopsmith chamber to gossip with the local stable boy....