aTmAg said:Poe and Finn didn't know about the cloaking devices and Rose is not smart... both in that she blabbed and didn't put it together on her own. Not everybody is a super genius.DannyDuberstein said:
Enough of a stretch that it never occurred to Poe, Rose, or Finn. Just emphasizes bow nonsensical the Canto Bight story was.
I was right there with you and aTm until this statement.....I really liked TLJ but there's no way I'd put it above Winter Soldier or Spiderman Homecoming.letters at random said:Iron Man and the two GOTG movies are a LITTLE better. Those are the only Marvel movies that are better than TLJ. Winter Soldier was a good movie, but not as good as TLJ. Spiderman Homecoming was okay, but overrated.FL_Ag1998 said:letters at random said:
I don't think any are WAY better. Some are better, though.
You know what, I'll modify my statement. I do think a few are WAY better (both GOTGs, Spiderman Homecoming, Iron Man, Winter Soldier), but some are simply better, and at worst there are a few on par with TLJ.....hell, I'll even give you The Dark World being worse than it.
Bahahahahahaha.....funniest statement so far in this threadSeattleAgJr said:
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Holy crap, I got my say in in about 8 posts and then moved on.
FTACO97 said:Bahahahahahaha.....funniest statement so far in this threadSeattleAgJr said:
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Holy crap, I got my say in in about 8 posts and then moved on.
I know you're trying to make a point about the necessity of overlooking hard science for entertainment, but the actual answer to your question is "yes." Yes, it is better from a plot and story continuity standpoint to stay consistent with the "rules" you've set up for your imaginary world. The exception is when the deviation from the "rules" *is* the story. Numerous examples exist in Star Trek and speculative fiction. But TLJ is not about what happens to society when hyperdrive kamikaze attacks with capital ships become a viable military strategy. I might actually be interested in a movie that explores that as the plot. TLJ doesn't do that, though.Bruce Almighty said:
So it's ok to have bad space physics as long as it's the same bad space physics from the original trilogy?
BlueSmoke said:
Sigh...
This movie is to Star Wars what Season Eight is to Walking Dead. Trying to get cute. Lazy writing. Pseudo-intellectualism. And gaping plot-holes.
Lets start with tactical issues. How do bombs "fall" in space (assume others mentioned this already)? Assume they get around this. In an age of lasers, missiles, and fighter jets. A weapons platform that must be directly OVER and dangerously close to it's target is absurd. The FO ships had cannons plucking cruisers from the air, yet these lumbering ships closed the distance? Just stop...
Light speed ramming? Isn't virtually every ship in the universe light-speed capable? Then why the he** isn't every massed armada decimated in a matter of minutes by a small fleet of remote-piloted tankers and other assorted fodder? Doesn't this render blockades and other static targets obsolete overnight?
I will refer you to the asteroid chase in The Empire Strikes Back with TIE Bombers dropping bombs on the asteroid to flush out the Millennium Falcon.Quote:
The bomb scene was absurd in and of itself, but also seemed a huge step back in tech from they they were in A New Hope with proton torpedoes and much faster attack craft.
It cheapens the role of Palpatine in the OT that there was some other guy 30 years later who was super strong in the force and leading another version of the Empire. Makes it seem like Palpatine was nothing special.FTACO97 said:I keep seeing this all over the web and this thread and I really don't get it. Let's go back in time to after you watched Return of the Jedi. What did you really know about the Emperor? He was not fleshed out in ESB or ROTJ any more than Snoke was. Lucas then gave us way too much background on him in the prequels and now people think Rian Johnson should have given us Snoke's life story.MuckRaker96 said:
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I hate not knowing anything more about Snoke than I did at this time in 2015.
Dr. Teeth said:
The bombs falling in space isn't even in the top 100 problems with this movie.
The bottom line for me is this: TLJ turned one of my biggest childhood heroes into a murderous cowardly POS, and basically undid everything in TFA that made me give a **** about any of the new characters.
The bomb dropping didn't bother me much. In discussion with some coworkers and friends, I think they at least showed it's feasibility, so bear with me:Cinco Ranch Aggie said:I will refer you to the asteroid chase in The Empire Strikes Back with TIE Bombers dropping bombs on the asteroid to flush out the Millennium Falcon.Quote:
The bomb scene was absurd in and of itself, but also seemed a huge step back in tech from they they were in A New Hope with proton torpedoes and much faster attack craft.
Yes, these bombers were pretty much Gotha bombers from WWI going on a bombing run against a modern day target, but I still thought it was a neat sequence. For me, I long ago just accepted the idea of an X-Wing being able to fly in atmosphere (despite its obvious lack of stabilizers and a rudder), so it's not any big step to accept "dropping" bombs in space.
While I can agree that the bombers used in the OT seemed to be technologically superior to the bombers used at the start of the film, I still remember the pilot chatter and imagery that the Y-wings, etc were still glorified WWII bombers in that they had to get in position for their bombing run and had no defensive weapons. Also, FWIW this story feels like they've pretty much depleted all of their ships, etc and what we see in TLJ is what's left of the Resistance fleet. The point of the attack at the first of the film for me is to show that Poe was reckless in defying a direct order from Leia and basically destroyed what was left of their bombers and most of their X-wings.G Martin 87 said:
Two things really irritate me about the B-17 attack, neither of which have anything whatsoever to do with bad space physics.
1. The Rebels/Resistance had better, more effective technology for decades prior to TLJ. A WWII bombing run is just silly given the situation and the technology available.
Agree completely with you on the "tracker" stuff. It's a great example of adding something to a story that leads to adding other things to the story to deal with problems that could have been avoided by not adding it in the first place. Just like when Daenerys got stuck in Meereen for a book and a half, which led to creating the whole Quentyn Martell subplot to get her out of Meereen. What the hell was I thinking?DannyDuberstein said:
I didnt care about the bomber. And while the light speed kamikaze opens a can of worms, I think that was a reasonable sacrifice for a great scene. I really did not like the tracker tech though. It undermines so much that has been key to the series, and it was done for a lousy storyline.
The feeling I get from Snoke and Kylo Ren is that these guys aren't Sith. And one of the points that Rian Johnson is making in the TLJ is that the old ways are over. No more Jedi/Sith conflict, now it's just people who are able to use the force, either light or dark. So in that sense, it doesn't bother me that Snoke becomes a very powerful dark force user somewhere in the universe and then comes to power in the vacuum left by the death of Palpatine.MuckRaker96 said:It cheapens the role of Palpatine in the OT that there was some other guy 30 years later who was super strong in the force and leading another version of the Empire. Makes it seem like Palpatine was nothing special.FTACO97 said:I keep seeing this all over the web and this thread and I really don't get it. Let's go back in time to after you watched Return of the Jedi. What did you really know about the Emperor? He was not fleshed out in ESB or ROTJ any more than Snoke was. Lucas then gave us way too much background on him in the prequels and now people think Rian Johnson should have given us Snoke's life story.MuckRaker96 said:
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I hate not knowing anything more about Snoke than I did at this time in 2015.
Who did Luke murder?Dr. Teeth said:
TLJ turned one of my biggest childhood heroes into a murderous cowardly POS
dave94 said:Who did Luke murder?Dr. Teeth said:
TLJ turned one of my biggest childhood heroes into a murderous cowardly POS
Rule of Two seemed to be in place.Quote:
The feeling I get from Snoke and Kylo Ren is that these guys aren't Sith.
I agree we should have seen something of the Knights of Ren, but that's part of why I don't consider them Sith. Snoke talks about these knights several times and he never mentions the Sith or the master/apprentice concept.ChiliBeans said:Rule of Two seemed to be in place.Quote:
The feeling I get from Snoke and Kylo Ren is that these guys aren't Sith.
Unless you count the rumored Knights of Ren we never get to see.
bthomas98 said:
Would be kind of cool if during the events of TLJ, the KoR were hunting and "recruiting" force sensitive children across the galaxy while Kylo was hunting Rey and trying to turn her. They could explain that in the ep IX crawl as well and then get an opening scene of them.
That could go a long way of answering a question about them and preventing an Abrams wild goose chase
dave94 said:Who did Luke murder?Dr. Teeth said:
TLJ turned one of my biggest childhood heroes into a murderous cowardly POS
Unless I'm having an acid flashback, Snoke called Kyler "my apprentice" in the crimson court throne room.Quote:
Snoke talks about these knights several times and he never mentions the Sith or the master/apprentice concept.
Dr. Teeth said:dave94 said:Who did Luke murder?Dr. Teeth said:
TLJ turned one of my biggest childhood heroes into a murderous cowardly POS
Lol, okay, let's just pretend you didn't notice Luke about to off his nephew.
Ep. 7. Han's a deadbeat dad.
Ep. 8. Luke wants to kill kids.
Ep. 9. Let me guess, Leia's been turning tricks on Canto Bight to pay for bombers.
SIAP but this sums up what I feel about Luke as well.Dr. Teeth said:
The bombs falling in space isn't even in the top 100 problems with this movie.
The bottom line for me is this: TLJ turned one of my biggest childhood heroes into a murderous cowardly POS, and basically undid everything in TFA that made me give a **** about any of the new characters.
BernArnold said:Dr. Teeth said:dave94 said:Who did Luke murder?Dr. Teeth said:
TLJ turned one of my biggest childhood heroes into a murderous cowardly POS
Lol, okay, let's just pretend you didn't notice Luke about to off his nephew.
Ep. 7. Han's a deadbeat dad.
Ep. 8. Luke wants to kill kids.
Ep. 9. Let me guess, Leia's been turning tricks on Canto Bight to pay for bombers.
Murderous and cowardly....wow.....exaggerate much?
I mean he killed nobody.....but still even assuming he was going to......
If you kill someone who was going to kill millions...are you saying that's a bad thing???
so killing Hitler in 1936 is that a good thing or a bad thing?
