Then you're like most people.Quote:
I'm a relative Star Wars beginner. I've watched the movies, but never really obsessed or went any further than what was presented before me.
Then you're like most people.Quote:
I'm a relative Star Wars beginner. I've watched the movies, but never really obsessed or went any further than what was presented before me.
Cstrickland05 said:Ulrich said:redline248 said:
The one thing I'll say about Rey ending up as a nobody is this:
Anakin was a nobody, albeit conceived by the force (apparently). Obi-Wan, for all we know, was a nobody. Probably Yoda, too. Powerful force users don't have to come from powerful force parents, especially since the Jedi didn't marry or believe in relationships.
However, there was some build up about her lineage in the eyes of most viewers during Force Awakens. Now it feels cheap.
Oh well.
I'm not concerned at all about her lineage, but in TFA she clearly has backstory. For example, Han recognizes her name. Leia appears to recognize her. Ren reacts strongly to the news that "a girl" helped the droid escape without even knowing her name. She's on Jakku. Luke's lightsaber gives her a crazy flashback. Her powers make no sense without real training. There's so much foreshadowing.
I strongly believe that when TFA was written she was supposed to be very involved with the academy and the Skywalkers when she was a child. Rian Johnson may have tried to kill that story line in TLJ, but there's no doubt in my mind that Abrams was going to do more than leave her as a fluke Mary Jane. He's too much of a Star Wars fan to be that inconsistent with how the universe works, so I think he'll salvage the story line in IX.
I kind of think that Johnson was supposed to develop Ren and try to more or less leave Rey in stasis for Abrams to pick back up. It would explain why he came up with plot filler instead of developing Rey.
I can agree with that. If her parents were just some drunks on Jakku, who was in the spaceship that she watched fly away.
ChiliBeans said:
It's entirely plausible that Kyler was lying in order to forge some kind of connection, as if he was the only one who saw her true value or whatever.
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Not to mention the novelization of TFA having Kylo blurt out "it is you!" in some capacity of recognition.
True, but the novelizations give some insights into earlier intents and how they were reconjiggered.Ag Since 83 said:
One thing that is important to remember is that the film novelizations are only canon to the extent that the movies don't contradict them. Probably not a good enough explanation for some people, but given how both film and book are being edited and recut on two simultaneous tight timelines, there are always going to be some discrepancies.
Ulrich said:
I knew everything about the old canon, but when they scrapped all that i didn't even attempt to read the new stuff. As far as I'm concerned the movies are all that exists.
wesag said:Saxsoon said:
Anyone who says this film is worse than the prequels is jaded as hell and whose opinion shouldn't matter
I disagree. The acting in this one was heads above the prequels, but the story and subplots were quite bad. There are some pretty badass sequences in the prequels. Please don't say the Snoke scene was great. It was a Prometheus CGI guy who was protected by ninjas
Bockaneer said:
Just saw the movie - good time f the whole family
BravoTCTTS said:Bockaneer said:
Just saw the movie - good time f the whole family
Maybe my favorite take yet. F 'em all.
TCTTS said:
It's not that any of those things were done. It's that they were all done AGAIN, after such a rich cinematic history on display in past SW films. If TFA would have been the first movie in the franchise, none of us would have near the problems we did with the lack of context. There was no gap being bridged when A New Hope debuted. It was ok to be dropped into that world without knowing much about it. But when we have so many questions in the 30 years following ROTJ, and the filmmakers choose to be just as vague as they were initially, it's super frustrating.
bangobango said:Not to pick on you, and you are certainly entitled to be excited about whatever it is you find fun and interesting, but I think for me and others it's a bit deflating for main plot line for the THIRD movie in a trilogy to be the good guys starting completely from scratch, building up their forces, and then somehow defeating the bad guys.corleoneAg99 said:
I actually don't think it's an ongoing element that the rebels have yet to win. I think what is THE most exciting ongoing element is how they will construct the rebellion essentially from scratch to try and defeat the FO.
I also want to see force ghost Luke(and others maybe?) come back and help Rey possibly or be part of a flash back to see how she's progressed in what I imagine will be a time jump.
In short I'm excited for quite a bit to come and if they don't get to all of it, or only parts of it, I bet I'll like what JJ comes up with.
One, that seems like an awful lot to pack into one movie and still get to any other plot elements, like Rey's training (or a montage of her reading books, I guess). Two, it can't help but make you feel the first two movies were a complete waste of time.
It's like taking Frodo and Sam at the end of the Two Towers and putting them back in the Shire for the start of the Return of the King and telling them they have to walk all the way back to Mordor to destroy the ring.
G Martin 87 said:BTW, if Snoke was using the Force to setup multiple video conference calls between two people in different parts of the galaxy and Snoke didn't seem to suffer any ill effects, how come Luke couldn't keep it together after projecting just one person across the same distance once?digital_ag said:
Instead it was just Snoke doing a trap thing. Rug pulled. Rey and Kylo are still Force equals (why?), Rey magically escapes after a fun bout of tug-o-war. Everything built up and then dissolved away.
texasaggie04 said:G Martin 87 said:BTW, if Snoke was using the Force to setup multiple video conference calls between two people in different parts of the galaxy and Snoke didn't seem to suffer any ill effects, how come Luke couldn't keep it together after projecting just one person across the same distance once?digital_ag said:
Instead it was just Snoke doing a trap thing. Rug pulled. Rey and Kylo are still Force equals (why?), Rey magically escapes after a fun bout of tug-o-war. Everything built up and then dissolved away.
I guess it could be explained by Luke shutting himself off for years. Use it or lose it?
How about a more likely explanation that doesn't depend on making up head canon? Rian Johnson goofed. Again.texasaggie04 said:G Martin 87 said:BTW, if Snoke was using the Force to setup multiple video conference calls between two people in different parts of the galaxy and Snoke didn't seem to suffer any ill effects, how come Luke couldn't keep it together after projecting just one person across the same distance once?digital_ag said:
Instead it was just Snoke doing a trap thing. Rug pulled. Rey and Kylo are still Force equals (why?), Rey magically escapes after a fun bout of tug-o-war. Everything built up and then dissolved away.
I guess it could be explained by Luke shutting himself off for years. Use it or lose it?
Or, alternatively, the Force is still mysterious, different people have different powers, the light side and dark side are different, etc.G Martin 87 said:How about a more likely explanation that doesn't depend on making up head canon? Rian Johnson goofed. Again.texasaggie04 said:G Martin 87 said:BTW, if Snoke was using the Force to setup multiple video conference calls between two people in different parts of the galaxy and Snoke didn't seem to suffer any ill effects, how come Luke couldn't keep it together after projecting just one person across the same distance once?digital_ag said:
Instead it was just Snoke doing a trap thing. Rug pulled. Rey and Kylo are still Force equals (why?), Rey magically escapes after a fun bout of tug-o-war. Everything built up and then dissolved away.
I guess it could be explained by Luke shutting himself off for years. Use it or lose it?