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It's actually impressive how often they built up some really good tension and then just dissolved it all away with stupid/impractical plot elements.
oh, I was wondering about Lor SanTrekken and how he knew where Luke was and knew the Skywalker family as well as Kylo knowing who he is as depicted in the movie.vwbug said:
Aaaaaaand... more damage control, this is getting comical:
With that said, I wonder if this moment was bigger than he was ready for?TCTTS said:
I don't know if this is a big part of it, but Johnson is friends with quite a few critics, journalists, and bloggers. Besides having a ton of "street cred," for lack of a better term, with that crowd for the movies he's directed, he runs with that whole Birth.Movies.Death. crew, has attended multiple Butt-Numb-A-Thons in Austin (Ain't Cool News' Harry Knowles annual 24-hour film fest birthday bash), same goes for Fantastic Fest, and regularly engages with critics/journalists/bloggers on Twitter. He's basically a huge film nerd/fan who's deeply embedded in that world who got to direct a Star Wars movie. Again, I don't know how large or how much sway that whole scene has in general as it pertains to actually influencing a Rotten Tomato score, but more than any other director I know, Johnson is definitely the one plugged into that crowd far more than any other. And look, most of his critic friends seem to genuinely love the movie, I'm just saying that if they thought it was crap, they likely wouldn't have been too critical, if at all. I think with a good chunk of these guys there's definitely a holy-crap-my-friend-is-directing-Star-Wars-movie element.
When said drunk person is, in fact, Luke Skywalker in disguise, a lotbobinator said:
Can we just admit that even if you hated it, there were some good parts, and even if you liked it, there were some dodgy parts and go back to debating how many coins a drunk person could stuff into BB8?
Someone at LF needs to tell Pablo to take a couple of weeks off twitter. He is starting to look silly. Like I said before, if you have to tweet this junk out, you failed in the story telling.Flashdiaz said:oh, I was wondering about Lor SanTrekken and how he knew where Luke was and knew the Skywalker family as well as Kylo knowing who he is as depicted in the movie.vwbug said:
Aaaaaaand... more damage control, this is getting comical:
I just have to read more tweets for the story to make sense... my bad.
I believe that practitioners of that technique are sometimes referred to colloquially as a "cock tease". Maybe that explains the angry reactions from the original generation of Star Wars fans.TCTTS said:Quote:
It's actually impressive how often they built up some really good tension and then just dissolved it all away with stupid/impractical plot elements.
This is a really good point. So many wow-they're-really-going-there moments that were ultimately chickened out on.
) Just now getting back to this. You may be right, but I seem to remember them shooting at Luke, Kylo going down to face him, and Poe and Finn having the exchange:wangus12 said:He says that before Luke gets shot atQuote:
My favorite was after they all watched Luke brush off canon fire Finn's like "we need to help him with one guy."
I guess at that point they are loyal to the first order, and Kylo just become the biggest traitor?Dr. Teeth said:
Another random question: Why did the Praetorian Guards spring into action once Snoke was sliced in half? I get that Kylo was trusted, but at that point what are they fighting for?
Was literally just going to post the exact same thought about POTUS....TCTTS said:
If POTUS was assassinated, would the secret service not try to kill the assassin?
Again, you guys are just nitpicking the sh*t out of the movie at this point.
I'm not *****ing, I was just saying the guy in the tweet said it was never a map to Luke, yet one of the main characters says he wants "the map to Luke."TCTTS said:
Because it would sound way less cool to say "... the map to the first Jedi temple, where Skywalker is located." I wasn't a huge fan of this movie, but the sh*t some of you b*tch about is ridiculous.
Did he become the biggest traitor or the boss? It seems like it was an awful lot more clear to them than it should have been.redline248 said:I guess at that point they are loyal to the first order, and Kylo just become the biggest traitor?Dr. Teeth said:
Another random question: Why did the Praetorian Guards spring into action once Snoke was sliced in half? I get that Kylo was trusted, but at that point what are they fighting for?
as I said on Page 24,FTACO97 said:"majority of people...pretty glaring things wrong" - of course this gets thrown around, sometimes by both sides, but never any real proof. If I took the time to go through these 40+ pages and made a list of those with very negative opinions, it would probably be the same 10-15 people who keep commenting and keep the negative echo chamber going. While there are just as many people if not more who have posted positive opinions of the film.bobinator said:I think this is a bad take. Even the majority of people who overall liked the movie think there's some pretty glaring things wrong with it.FTACO97 said:
No, he's having to do this because a vocal minority of rabid Star Wars fans have been taking a **** all over his film and now he's having to come out and justify himself.
As has been posted in the thread by me and others, other review sites have a very positive ranking for the film. A from CinemaScore, 86 from MetaCritic, 7.8/10 IMDB....etc. There's a slew of articles online about how it's not a clear cut "everyone hates it" but that it's split, and not evenly.
Those huge WTF moments make all the other little ones stand out. Change a few of those and this movie is way better and the critics vs. rotten tomatoes is < 5%.Quote:
So at the end of the day this move becomes better than or on the level of ESB if;
- No Leah Space walk (really, what was the point of that whole story arc...to put some random 'Admiral' no one has ever heard of in charge of being a terrible leader by not telling anyone anything....)
- No Rose/Finn side mission (replace with Finn/Poe trying to sneak about First Order ship to break trace thing as high risk/high payoff plan B as secret transport option as Plan A)
- No Rose/Finn side mission = no Admiral Haldo = Akbar does light speed jump into First Order Ship
We can still have showdown with Phasma/Finn (which should have been longer/drawn out and Phasma death should have been more epic - assuming she is dead) and the battle onKotakuCrait and the 'ghost Luke' (understand some did not like it, but I think most would concede it was a bad ass use of the Force)
All the other holes/issues were very minor IMO. But those three really sunk the movie overall.
And Honestly, Finn's character was way marginalized in their movie. His whole purpose in the movie was a complete waste..
But what if it was the Vice President performing the assassination?Quote:
If POTUS was assassinated, would the secret service not try to kill the assassin?
Again, you guys are just nitpicking the sh*t out of the movie at this point
Where do you see that? The Wookieepedia article on Lor San Tekka just says he found the map somewhere, nothing about Luke giving it to him.Cave Johnson, CEO said:I'm not *****ing, I was just saying the guy in the tweet said it was never a map to Luke, yet one of the main characters says he wants "the map to Luke."TCTTS said:
Because it would sound way less cool to say "... the map to the first Jedi temple, where Skywalker is located." I wasn't a huge fan of this movie, but the sh*t some of you b*tch about is ridiculous.
And according to the wiki (weak reference I know), Luke gave a piece of that map to Lor San Tekka. "Oh here you go here's a piece of a map to the Last Jedi Temple, don't worry it's totally not where I'm going to run off to."
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Skywalker vanished into exile after his Jedi were destroyed and went off in search of the first Jedi temple[url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka#cite_note-Episode_VII-1][2][/url] on the planetAhch-To.[url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka#cite_note-Junior_Novelization-3][4][/url] After many years, San Tekka discovered a partial map that revealed the location of the first Jedi temple.[url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka#cite_note-Episode_VII-1][2][/url]
still nitpicking... Kylo just sliced the supreme leader in half. What's to say he wasn't a rebel and would kill the guards, Hux and everyone on that ship.Dr. Teeth said:Did he become the biggest traitor or the boss? It seems like it was an awful lot more clear to them than it should have been.redline248 said:I guess at that point they are loyal to the first order, and Kylo just become the biggest traitor?Dr. Teeth said:
Another random question: Why did the Praetorian Guards spring into action once Snoke was sliced in half? I get that Kylo was trusted, but at that point what are they fighting for?
Call me a goaltender, but I'm going to disagree with this. The information is there. The audience has to think a little bit.vwbug said:Someone at LF needs to tell Pablo to take a couple of weeks off twitter. He is starting to look silly. Like I said before, if you have to tweet this junk out, you failed in the story telling.Flashdiaz said:oh, I was wondering about Lor SanTrekken and how he knew where Luke was and knew the Skywalker family as well as Kylo knowing who he is as depicted in the movie.vwbug said:
Aaaaaaand... more damage control, this is getting comical:
I just have to read more tweets for the story to make sense... my bad.
There's a separate "Map to Skywalker" page that says Luke gave it to him.Ag Since 83 said:Where do you see that? The Wookieepedia article on Lor San Tekka just says he found the map somewhere, nothing about Luke giving it to him.Cave Johnson, CEO said:I'm not *****ing, I was just saying the guy in the tweet said it was never a map to Luke, yet one of the main characters says he wants "the map to Luke."TCTTS said:
Because it would sound way less cool to say "... the map to the first Jedi temple, where Skywalker is located." I wasn't a huge fan of this movie, but the sh*t some of you b*tch about is ridiculous.
And according to the wiki (weak reference I know), Luke gave a piece of that map to Lor San Tekka. "Oh here you go here's a piece of a map to the Last Jedi Temple, don't worry it's totally not where I'm going to run off to."Quote:
Skywalker vanished into exile after his Jedi were destroyed and went off in search of the first Jedi temple[url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka#cite_note-Episode_VII-1][2][/url] on the planetAhch-To.[url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka#cite_note-Junior_Novelization-3][4][/url] After many years, San Tekka discovered a partial map that revealed the location of the first Jedi temple.[url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka#cite_note-Episode_VII-1][2][/url]
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka
Thus why I was asking. Thanks though.redline248 said:
just a quick warning, wookiepedia isn't the best source for canon.
Not saying you're wrong, just that the site might be.
you may be onto something... they killed off the wrong sister.02skiag said:
My thoughts on the movie may be completely opposite if they used a half way attractive actress for Rose. Star Wars is a space fantasy and I'm sorry but she's not anyone's idea of a fantasy. This trilogy needs a love story somewhere, please don't tell me this is it.
Interesting. I don't think I have the Star Wars Visual Dictionary it references, but I have the Force Awakens Visual Dictionary I believe. Will be interesting to see what it says about Lor San Tekka.Cave Johnson, CEO said:There's a separate "Map to Skywalker" page that says Luke gave it to him.Ag Since 83 said:Where do you see that? The Wookieepedia article on Lor San Tekka just says he found the map somewhere, nothing about Luke giving it to him.Cave Johnson, CEO said:I'm not *****ing, I was just saying the guy in the tweet said it was never a map to Luke, yet one of the main characters says he wants "the map to Luke."TCTTS said:
Because it would sound way less cool to say "... the map to the first Jedi temple, where Skywalker is located." I wasn't a huge fan of this movie, but the sh*t some of you b*tch about is ridiculous.
And according to the wiki (weak reference I know), Luke gave a piece of that map to Lor San Tekka. "Oh here you go here's a piece of a map to the Last Jedi Temple, don't worry it's totally not where I'm going to run off to."Quote:
Skywalker vanished into exile after his Jedi were destroyed and went off in search of the first Jedi temple[url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka#cite_note-Episode_VII-1][2][/url] on the planetAhch-To.[url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka#cite_note-Junior_Novelization-3][4][/url] After many years, San Tekka discovered a partial map that revealed the location of the first Jedi temple.[url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka#cite_note-Episode_VII-1][2][/url]
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Map_to_Skywalker
Yes, it does. Flying through hyperspace does not mean you are in a different dimension, or you wouldn't have to worry about flying through a star or bouncing too close to a supernova.redd38 said:Rex Racer said:Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?redd38 said:
Here's my theory on using light speed as a weapon and why it hasn't been used in the past:
I think there is a very small window of distance where this tactic would be useful. Too close and you wouldn't be going fast enough to do much damage. Too far away and you'll make the jump to hyper space before the collision and thus pass right through on different dimensions. So basically Holdo was lucky that she was a very specific distance from the FO ship.
Ok? That doesn't invalidate my theory.
Hilarious that the damning evidence is in an entry not titled "Map to Skywalker" or "Lor San Tekka" or anything like that, but in a general article titled "Maps."Cave Johnson, CEO said:
I assume the image CJS4715 posted above is from the Star Wars Visual Dictionary but don't know for sure.
Ag Since 83 said:Hilarious that the damning evidence is in an entry not titled "Map to Skywalker" or "Lor San Tekka" or anything like that, but in a general article titled "Maps."Cave Johnson, CEO said:
I assume the image CJS4715 posted above is from the Star Wars Visual Dictionary but don't know for sure.
Rex Racer said:Yes, it does. Flying through hyperspace does not mean you are in a different dimension, or you wouldn't have to worry about flying through a star or bouncing too close to a supernova.redd38 said:Rex Racer said:Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?redd38 said:
Here's my theory on using light speed as a weapon and why it hasn't been used in the past:
I think there is a very small window of distance where this tactic would be useful. Too close and you wouldn't be going fast enough to do much damage. Too far away and you'll make the jump to hyper space before the collision and thus pass right through on different dimensions. So basically Holdo was lucky that she was a very specific distance from the FO ship.
Ok? That doesn't invalidate my theory.
