I get some of the complaints... and people are entitled to them. I won't waste time arguing the finer points of many of them (like people hating Poe's storyline). My full review is on likebpage 19 or something...

But if you don't watch closely enough to know key details (like the books not being burnt up), or if your primary complaint is that the "pissed on your favorite childhood character" by not having the fanboy spectacle of him mowing people down or ridiculously surviving a barrage from and then taking out multiple AT-ATs.... then your other opinions are pretty much invalid.

My thoughts (mostly what they got wrong):

1. It's definitely not the movie I would have made.

2. I paid for a Star Wars movie, not a Guardians of the Galaxy in the Star Wars universe.

3. Didn't like several of the liberties taken with the Force and how that works - it seems like they are setting up Jedi / force-users to be like Marvel Superheroes; who don't need to develop the skill over time...

4. Bending turbolaser fire like cannon batteries... in space? (only thing I could think of was they calculated trajectory and specific gravity of the Resistance Cruiser and the energy had to bend toward the target?)

5. The First Order is not elite - they are bumbling stumbling idiots like Gen Hux.

6. The SJW message at the casino about "evil corporations" and "evil capitalism"...

7. Rose & Finn don't work

8. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon Leia using the force to float back to a cruiser that is barreling through space, where she was ejected at high speed, and somehow her eyes and skin dont freeze off or get frost bite...

9. Laying on the plot THICK by directly telling the audience what you want them to know instead of allowing them to infer what's going on through speech and actions...

10. A public execution for Finn & Rose that takes too long to "execute" get's blown up by a lightspeed-cruiser-torpedo where ALL the FO stormies and Phasma disappear leaving Rose and Finn the only ones (unscathed) on the deck; and BB8 rescues them with a Chicken Walker sprinting to a lambda shuttle...

11. How did Rey escape - and rendevous with Chewie - undetected?

12. Military liberties taken ... Captain Poe pulls blasters on Vice Admiral Holdo in the middle of the hangar and nobody cares?

13. Space physics just doesn't matter anymore. An X-Wing pulling a 360 degree drift? Cruisers in space, lose thrust and somehow start "falling / tumbling" toward the FO dreadnaught? Again, bending laser-mortars in space?

14. Lastly, (for this list), Rey having ~2 days of training with Luke, and now beating down Snoke's entourage and out force-pulling Kylo Ren on the lightsaber to crack it in half....

15. They squandered several chances to put Carrie Fisher's memory in a very dramatic and meaningful context within the movie and ... how are they going to handle this?

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I was expecting a 8 or 9 out of 10... My initial rating is a 5 or 6...


Things I really liked:
1. Visual effects, especially the lightspeed-cruiser-torpedo and Samurai-jack like brid's eye view silence of the destruction

2. Luke projecting himself and owning Kylo; that was a big head fake for me, and I loved the way it was delivered.

3. Kylo Ren's storyline, he has become the more intriguing character for me of the whole trilogy now. I am pulling for him to succeed, and just own everyone now (except Chewbacca). I think Kylo and Chewie, and maybe future force-Ghost Luke are the only characters I really care about. Finn? not really. Rose? Nope. Rey? still don't know ANYTHING about her... her parents just drunk junkers? I don't buy it... but now there is no anticipation for finding out more... Phasma? Throw away. Snoke? What a putz. Hux? A prequal-style C-3PO in the flesh.

3. Chewie flying the Falcon was very fun

4. Loved the Yoda intro, forcing Luke to experience the thing he was hesitant to do, and then saying "who cares about old texts?" ... leaving Luke to face the reality that he already knows - the old ways are done.

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I just felt like the whole movie was out of step with the look and feel for what Star Wars fans are expecting and some of the dogma that is "known" about how the Force and the Star Wars universe is supposed to work.

Again, it's not the movie I was expecting or would have made; and it was on par with a X-men or a GotG 3 for me...

Have seen it twice now, not a good movie. Spreadsheet Ag write up is good, agree with most of that.

Luke never uses his light saber. Let that soak in... Luke Skywalker. Ridiculous.

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So the options were 1) he goes out like Han 2)he goes out like Obi Wan 3) he goes out like Yoda.

We got a mix of 2&3, and the more I think about it the cooler it is.

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Who says Luke is gone and that he can't return in the next movie for a final showdown with Kylo? They're just making stuff up at this point and Luke didn't really die ... he just faded into the force, so why can he just reappear? This new flick gave us force projections across the galaxy, a force ghost blowing the crap out of a tree, and Leah force willing herself back from the grave so at this point who says he's gone? JJ can do what ever he wants because there are no rules. Heck .... the entire Jedi order can show up in ghost form and lightning the entire First Order into Oblivion. Bottom line is ... they're making crap up so nothing is off the table.

I left the theater entertained, but mildly peeved. I couldn't tell exactly what was bothering me until after reflecting on the movie for a while. Basically, the writing sucked.

Disney should have hired Brandon Sanderson to develop the story then had the hack writers they got turn the story into scripts.

So many plot holes and wasted potential.

I'm catching back up on this thread, and a lot of people that liked it are trying to justify bad scenes because the overall idea or theme was good.

It's kind of a Terminator 3 thing for me. Like the broad strokes of Terminator 3 were good, but it's how they actually put them on paper and then on screen that were bad.

Like yeah, I agree that Finn having a reason other than Rey to really join in the fight was a good idea, but that's the best they could come up with?

Yea, all of our theories sucked, because they were too good .

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"Phasma is the Kenny from South Park of this series," he joked.
Among those rooting for her return is Luke Skywalker himself. "I think she's got to survive," Mark Hamill said, offering up his own theory.

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Wow how sad is that that the actors compared Phasma to Kenny from south park

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Completely omit Rey and Kylo having force chat. Was not needed at all, especially if they would have spent more time/effort on developing Rey and Luke's relationship.

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Despite a lot of complaints about other parts of the movie, I actually thought Rey and Kylo's chats (except for the bit where she asked him to put on a shirt...) were some of the best parts. One person who knows exactly what place he wants in this world and is willing to do anything to get it, and one who isn't sure. She has all this power but isn't sure how to use it. Their yin and yang relationship and storyline is really good.

Plus, like it or not, this movie was always going to be about Rey and Kylo. Expecting anything else probably set you up for disappointment.