*** SW: The Last Jedi - FULL SPOILERS BE IN HERE ***

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DB Coach said:

Not much has been said of Yoda destroying the tree and the ancient Jedi texts...isn't this an indication that he agreed with Luke that the Jedi Order should be gone, in the sense of how they lived it out? A realization that there's more to it than just Good v. Evil?


It was a blink and you miss it but the Jedi texts are on the falcon
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TCTTS said:

After sleeping on it I just can't shake the feeling that this simply isn't a good movie.
This is where I am. I really want to like it, but I just don't overall. It was like an Aggie Football season of a movie, like it had it's great moments, but I didn't feel any satisfaction at the end of it.
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Ag Since 83 said:

I'm listening to the Collider spoiler review right now. They seem pretty willing to call out the stuff that didn't work for them, and it's the stuff you would imagine. Disagreement about how much the humor worked, space Leia, etc. Just got to the Canto Bight part and it sounds like it'll be an honest hatefest.
You'll be disappointed, it was a lovefest for a movie that clearly isn't all THAT. I personally think Ken and Kristian are disappointed but are having to toe the company line.
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Saxsoon said:


It was a blink and you miss it but the Jedi texts are on the falcon
Okay so somebody else did see that, I brought that up a few pages ago. I thought I saw that but I wasn't 100% sure.
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Not sure it's been commented on, but did anyone else notice that on the final scene, when the boy walks out to sweep, he reaches for the broom but didn't seem to grab it, rather it floated the last few inches to him?


Yes. I hated it. Unless they are going to introduce a completely new Jedi Master in 9, it makes zero sense how an orphan boy has that much casual control over the force.

Speaking of which, I guess they have set up the plot where Leia will be teaching Rey how to control the force in the next one?
I think the whole idea is for the longest time the Jedi felt that they "owned" the force. And Luke says states in TLJ that this isnt true.

That's why you see Leia able to use the force without any real training, as well as Rey who has "nobodies" as parents.

They're force users outside of the Jedi/Sith.
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DB Coach said:

Not much has been said of Yoda destroying the tree and the ancient Jedi texts...isn't this an indication that he agreed with Luke that the Jedi Order should be gone, in the sense of how they lived it out? A realization that there's more to it than just Good v. Evil?
Not only that, but people are still referring to Rey and Kylo as Jedi and Sith. I think based on this movie, they're wanting to move away from that dichotomy. Rey and Kylo, while having similar motivations, aren't necessarily those things.
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Here's something to chew on:

Rey defeated Snoke ("from a certain point of view"). I really like what they did with The Force in this movie and how they directly at times, and subtly at times, described the balance of the force.

As Snoke said, Rey was raised by the light to meet the dark. Little did Snoke know that it was not only to balance Kylo, but to eliminate him. Kylo never could have nor would he have even tried to defeat Snoke straight up. Rey was needed in that equation physically and emotionally to make it happen.


I thought the ending with the kid and the broom was perfect in this regard... there will always be others. Will their path be Light or Dark? Will their patch consist of both at different periods of time? All that was honestly done better than I expected. I've made my one gripe known about the movie, but this part I think they got very right.
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Saxsoon said:

Listening to the /filmcast review and they touched on a brilliant point with the boy at the end and Rey being a nobody. You see Luke in the OT who is a nobody who becomes a somebody and everyone believes growing up they could be that somebody. But then you realize Luke is the son of Vader and the prequel trilogy lays Vader as the chosen one. Suddenly none of us can become that somebody without being of the special elite. Rey and the force boy get us back to that first movie where anyone of us can dream of being that somebody.
The problem is that when Luke was still a nobody he didn't have full control of the force. The only time he knows to listen to it is when Kenobi tells him to, and still he only blocks a few lasers and concentrates on firing a torpedo. Rey and the boy can already summon objects to them without any sort of training what-so-ever.
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And I said the same thing about Ackbar. He is a beloved character and all he got was "oh, Ackbar died too" instead of letting him be the hero to suicide bomb the First Order ship.
This, Admiral Holdo was a throwaway character and 'female' who is right and Poe (male) is wrong. She was PC character IMO (and with Leih and Rey, do we really need another strong female character). Akbar should have gotten stuck on the ship somehow (not, "someone has to pilot the ship) and suicides into the mega star destroyer thing. That was just poor writing. My son even looked at me and said "what, no auto pilot..".
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After the lightsaber broke in half... we didn't see her for about 20ish minutes. Obviously the ending with her lifting the rocks was big, but for about 20-25 minutes she was absent.
Yeah, where did her and Chewie go after they showed up to blast the tie-fighters? They raced through the planet interior, blast out and...hello where are they for 20-minutes.
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The way he went out also bothered me. Like, he was the most powerful force wielder we've ever seen, and he couldn't sense that Kylo was turning the light saber right beside him?
Remember what Luke said about arrogance and hubris same applies to Sith.

Have we discussed that Luke is the last Jedi because, as he pointed out to Rey, you don't have to be a force user to use the force? Literally anyone can use the force (see Rey and that little kid)
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jr15aggie said:

I thought the ending with the kid and the broom was perfect in this regard... there will always be others. Will their path be Light or Dark? Will their patch consist of both at different periods of time? All that was honestly done better than I expected. I've made my one gripe known about the movie, but this part I think they got very right.
This is a good way to put it. There are some thematic things I really really like about this new trilogy. What does it mean to be someone, are there really heroes and villains, do we control our own destiny, even does anything really matter?

In some ways I think both movies get a lot of these things right, it's just the execution that's lacking.

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vwbug said:

Ag Since 83 said:

I'm listening to the Collider spoiler review right now. They seem pretty willing to call out the stuff that didn't work for them, and it's the stuff you would imagine. Disagreement about how much the humor worked, space Leia, etc. Just got to the Canto Bight part and it sounds like it'll be an honest hatefest.
You'll be disappointed, it was a lovefest for a movie that clearly isn't all THAT. I personally think Ken and Kristian are disappointed but are having to toe the company line.
Well yes, I know they are going to use softer language than we will. This is their livelihood after all. But I'm hearing tons of disappointment with various parts.

I assume they are going to land where I am...an enjoyable movie with some pretty serious flaws. I agreed with Dennis in their spoiler free review completely: the high points were far above TFA, the low points were far below.
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I agree that in the abstract they handled it well and it worked in the movie and was well done.

But it determines of making an overall Saga and myth making it is such an odd theme. It is like in Geek mythology we are going through about the gods and then all of sudden it is like here is Hercules he is not the son of Zeus or a god, but just a guy and here he is solving the plot.

It can work it just feels odd when you are world building a larger mythos. I dunno. I am conflicted on this point.
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If you wanted to see the epic lightsaber battle, then you're asking for Yoda versus Count Dooku in Attack of the clones.
That was like 3rd place of the best lightsaber battles in the prequels. Behind Kenobi/Qui-Gon/Maul and Kenobi/Skywalker
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nikator said:

one thing I loved was the movie putting know it all 20 somethings in their place. So many movies and books including Harry Potter, Wheel of Time and Game of Thrones have the world being saved by a bunch of 20 year old. Here Poe repeatedly got egg on his face and by sending out Finn to get the code breaker cost lives. The escape pod gambit would have worked without the code breaker ratting them out. Someone needs to give Poe a code red.
This just seems like a really odd take.

Also, Oscar Isaac (Poe) is nearly 40.
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TCTTS said:

I cannot think of a single blockbuster that the critics loved but the fans didn't, quite like what's starting to become apparent not only here, but across the web as well. Man, what a fascinating twist.
This is really interesting to me too. I expected almost unanimous hype from fans after the reviews started coming out.
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double aught said:

TCTTS said:

I cannot think of a single blockbuster that the critics loved but the fans didn't, quite like what's starting to become apparent not only here, but across the web as well. Man, what a fascinating twist.
This is really interesting to me too. I expected almost unanimous hype from fans after the reviews started coming out.
i'll be interested to see what the casual movie goer thinks as opposed to the passionate fans that saw it last night.
I suspect we thought it was going to go one way but went another.
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- Rey's arc was utterly uneventful. She's a self-admitted nobody who already assumed she came from nothing and then learned just that. Armed with that knowledge, in the face of adversity, she remained steadfast and optimistic, never truly tempted by the Dark Side. So... how is that any different from her character arc the last go around? Sure, she learned a bit and can... lift rocks now... but I'm legitimately shocked at how little her character evolved and how absent she was in the climax. I don't feel like I know her any better than I did the last go around, and she's getting dangerously close to having Harry Potter syndrome insomuch as being special because... she's special... and never really having to earn it or prove it. After becoming such a pop cultural phenomenon and a beacon to young women after TFA, how every ounce of this movie wasn't devoted to truly advancing and enriching her story in some way is beyond me.

This is a central disappointment for me too. Though I think they did ok with the arc up until Kylo kills snoke and asks her to join him and confirms her parents. What could they have differently from that point on? In the movie she instantly rejects him and they have a standoff with neither winning. Then she moves on. I would have rather seen Kylo and the dark side get the upper hand somehow and set up the stakes for IX. They didn't sell the "you came from nothing" plot twist well enough. Compare all of that to Luke's arc in Empire.
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The audience score on RT late last night was 70%, down to 60% this morning. That puts it in Ep I/Ep II range.
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Does anybody else completely ignore the plots in Star Wars and just enjoy the costuming, aliens, and all the pew pew pew?
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redd38 said:

The audience score on RT late last night was 70%, down to 60% this morning. That puts it in Ep I/Ep II range.


4chan, one of the main sources for support, is just absolutely ripping this movie apart every bit as bad as they did the DC Comics movies. I've seen threads calling it a franchise killer. They are pissed about what Disney has done.
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Are you kidding me??? This was MY theater... except traffic was terrible and I arrived just after the first trailer, so I completely missed this...

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GNN Reporter said:

redd38 said:

The audience score on RT late last night was 70%, down to 60% this morning. That puts it in Ep I/Ep II range.


4chan, one of the main sources for support, is just absolutely ripping this movie apart every bit as bad as they did the DC Comics movies. I've seen threads calling it a franchise killer. They are pissed about what Disney has done.
Some people go overboard. Internet mob time.
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GNN Reporter said:

redd38 said:

The audience score on RT late last night was 70%, down to 60% this morning. That puts it in Ep I/Ep II range.


4chan, one of the main sources for support, is just absolutely ripping this movie apart every bit as bad as they did the DC Comics movies. I've seen threads calling it a franchise killer. They are pissed about what Disney has done.
There is no way this is a franchise killer. That is a massive overreaction.
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What I saw last night was a "Marvelised" Star Wars film.

My feeling is most in the SW fandom didn't want the saga to go in that direction. If Star Wars starts to become just like other movie franchises, it loses all the qualities that made it special.
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Who does that even mean?
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Wait a minute. On my way into the theater I walked by that guy in the blazer. He was with a group of like four other guys in blazers... and I remember an usher being with them. They stuck out to me because you never see a group of people that relatively well dressed at a movie. I assumed the were execs or something and that an usher was escorting them around. But nope, that was Rian f-ing Johnson, dressed as an ArcLight usher.
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wangus12 said:

GNN Reporter said:

redd38 said:

The audience score on RT late last night was 70%, down to 60% this morning. That puts it in Ep I/Ep II range.


4chan, one of the main sources for support, is just absolutely ripping this movie apart every bit as bad as they did the DC Comics movies. I've seen threads calling it a franchise killer. They are pissed about what Disney has done.
There is no way this is a franchise killer. That is a massive overreaction.
It wasn't perfect but calling this film anything close to a franchise killer is absurd. II guess we shouldn't be surprised though, internet rolls are never happy unless they are melting down.
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After this movie it's possible they're his protection detail from 4chan.
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I'm pretty stunned at all the negative reactions. Not understanding at all. This was a generally well written, well acted, well produced Star Wars film. Like I said before, not perfect by any means, but not even close to a bad movie either. I for one did not think TFA was very good, because it was just a rehash of ANH, nearly frame for frame in a lot of ways. I'm starting to think a lot of you liked it not because it was good, but just because it served you a big helping of member grapes. Did I like/enjoy TFA? Of course I did. I watched it multiple times in theaters and it's in my regular Bluray rotation. I also enjoy McDoubles, but that doesn't mean they're good.
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TCTTS said:

Wait a minute. On my way into the theater I walked by that guy in the blazer. He was with a group of like four other guys in blazers... and I remember an usher being with them. They stuck out to me because you never see a group of people that relatively well dressed at a movie. I assumed the were execs or something and that an usher was escorting them around. But nope, that was Rian f-ing Johnson, dressed as an ArcLight usher.


Probably I should know who that is I guess.
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double aught said:

nikator said:

one thing I loved was the movie putting know it all 20 somethings in their place. So many movies and books including Harry Potter, Wheel of Time and Game of Thrones have the world being saved by a bunch of 20 year old. Here Poe repeatedly got egg on his face and by sending out Finn to get the code breaker cost lives. The escape pod gambit would have worked without the code breaker ratting them out. Someone needs to give Poe a code red.
This just seems like a really odd take.

Also, Oscar Isaac (Poe) is nearly 40.


The actor may be 40,but he is presented as a young brash fighter pilot. After a bunch of movies where the young perfect hero can do no wrong... It is good to see them eff up from time to time and have someone else save the day. Q

Ultimately all of Poe and Flynn machinations were pissing in the wind. Someone else had to come and save their bacon. Hopefully it will give them some humility but it won't.

And it lead to that light speed kamikaze action so it was worth it.
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The writer and director of The Last Jedi.
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Farmer1906 said:

Who does that even mean?
I'm assuming you mean "what" instead of "who"

I'll see if I can explain better. It didn't feel like a Star Wars movie. It felt like a visual conglomeration (like a comic) using items from the Star Wars universe.

The original trilogy, while was beautiful visually, had a substantive story behind it. Lucas may have been a bad director, but he's a good story teller. The story if TLJ seemed forced and was secondary to the visual aspect of the film. When I see a Marvel film, I get the same feeling. I couldn't tell you what the overall theme of any of Marvel films are, but I can remember all the cool stuff I saw in the films.
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Hopefully the plot of Episode IX is not about destroying the arms dealers to stop the "war machine" and bringing peace/harmony to the universe.
 
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