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Laura Dern cutting that ship in half was top 5 Stars Wars moment of all time for me. Fantastic scene.

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Yes and it wiped out all of the bad guys in the hangar except for a shuttle and the 2 heroes...was it really just a setup for #LetsGoChromeDome?

Not enough Porg love in this thread

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Thought maybe they made the "breakup" between Rey and Kylo a little quick and too convenient. Did he kill Snoke to help Rey or because he saw opportunity to take over the galaxy. I wish he killed Snoke for selfish reasons, then forced to partner with Rey so there were no witnesses. Maybe a second viewing will make it clearer.

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At first I thought he was trying to help Rey, but immediately after the fight you realize he pulled a power play and did so to take Snoke out and be in charge

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That's the way I took it. Kylo wanted ultimate power. I feel like killing your master should be the only way you can complete your training if you are a Sith.

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Not enough Porg love in this thread

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Have to ask Chewie if they taste like chicken.

Just got out. Liked it but didn't love it is first reaction. The chief (and really only complaint) about TFA was the rehash plot. Was glad they didn't do that again fresh and pretty original.

Hated space Leia. That was bad.

Light speed ship was great. However the setup was a bit stupid. "Someone has to stay behind to steer". WTF? You mean a spaceship that has been going in a straight line for hours can't autopilot? Put a brick in the gas pedal! Pay off was good of course but ridiculous to think she'd need to stay behind.

Overall though my chief complaint is the look of it. Way too many times it felt prequel like in its digitial cleanness and amount of CGI. I felt like TFA was more realistic looking. I found myself being taken out of the movie a lot by the shots being too fake looking or too clean. Like when you see a HDTV in "soap opera" mode. It doesn't look like film it looks too clean. Maybe it's hard to explain what I mean.

I'm also in the camp that maybe thought there was a tad too much comedy. Not every scene needs a wink Rian.

I went solo tonight and will take the kids this weekend for a second viewing so we'll see how it marinates.

Overall liked it though a few jokes fell flat and Space Leia

I did crack up at the hair joke and yeah I like the porgs, the Chewie moment was great

I think like Rogue One, it shocked me that they allowed the characters to fail. I do feel like the whole Casino setup was kind of a waste since very little came out of it that couldn't have been handled in another way. I did love seeing the Star Wars 1% and it was a nice reminder it isn't all junkheaps and broken down tech.

Mark Hamill was great and loved seeing him pretty much going through his crisis of doubt and faith. The moment that he backed away from burning the tree was very similar to Ben backing off shooting the command deck, but someone else does it for him. Seeing Yoda again brought such a smile to my face.

Rey and Ben's force connection was really well done and to see Snoke completely be the one manipulating it. A little disappointed he went out the way he did but it was also well done. Once again the cycle of betrayal continues though it would have been nice to know where a damn Sith popped up.

Seeing Leia that very first moment brought a few tears to my eyes

I was completely in awe of Dern's moment with the lightspeed. The complete cut to silence and the brilliant blues was amazing.

Also that little tease at the end with the force boy.

Overall very happy and can see why Johnson was handed the reins again.

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Not trying to be a negative Nancy cause I did really like the movie overall...

But yeah the casino planet was bad start to finish. Definitely felt like the prequals. You'd think they would understand by now what feels like Star Wars and what doesn't.

All the locations in Rogue One... Star Wars.

Casinos, bars with death sticks, Senate Chambers... Not Star Wars.


We get it, it's a big Galaxy... But you don't have to show us the part that looks like the capital from the hunger games. JJ nailed this part of it... Rian unfortunately couldn't help but let some of his inner Lucas escape.

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I wholly disagree. While the plot of that planet wasn't exactly needed I think it is important to remember there are parts of this galaxy that in fact quite prosperous. I did enjoy that aspect of seeing the universe expand instead of being stuck in a junkheap. I thought the war profiteering was a nice touch and put Finn in his place a little bit, considering he has been on both sides.

That one force talk between kylo Ren and Rey seemed like it was a snl skit when he had his shirt off.
"oh hey Rey. You caught me at a weird time. I just got done lifting"


I knew something was up with Luke at the end because when everyone else touched the white ground it exposed the red salt except Luke. Obviously now we know it was just a force projection.


Also I'm pretty sure I saw the jedi books in the falcon at the end when Finn grabbed a blanket or something. Yoda also told Luke "there's nothing in there that the girl doesn't already have" or something like that when he was about to go into the burning tree.

I don't like Finn's character at all really.

I'm also upset at didn't get to see the real master code breaker. Totally wasted having Justin Theroux in this movie.


Did anyone else think it wax weird that Snoke just chilled the whole time in a bath robe?

Just got out....LOVED it!

I understand the disappointment of Luke not actually weilding his force powers and a saber "for real", but how does anyone not see that he demonstrated the biggest use of the force EVER? He was in the minds of literally EVERYONE on a planet across the galaxy.

I knew something was up when he lit his blue saber, but honestly thought he was going to pull an Obi Wan Kenobi move like in ANH.

Snoke, to me, seemed extremely powerful and a major bad guy. Was shocked he went down so quick/early.

Was Hux a stormtrooper in his early years or a past life? Seems like a bumbling idiot always on the wrong end of something.

Also loved it. But I've loved every Star Wars film immediately upon leaving the theater. We'll see if it holds. I'm a little surprised by the mixed reactions here.

I completely enjoyed this very likeable, very fun, very funny, often emotional, beautifully filmed movie.

I went from really disliking the Kylo Ren character to finding Driver's performance and development of the character the strongest in TLJ.

Loved Snoke. Even more so loved the awesome twist of having him killed in the second film. Simply did not see that coming. At all. The crowd cheered wildly.

Ridley's Rey took a slight step back.

Hamill's Luke was good, really good, but not epic. And I agree with all the complaints. If Luke was going to go down, go out, force ghost, whatever, why not have it after the real Luke wrecks shop on a squadron of up armored AT-AT's like a boss?

Porgs were great. Well done Disney.

Chewie is literally, IMO, the greatest sidekick character in cinematic history. Chewie piloting the Falcon in to battle in a near suicide run literally choked me up. Flame away.

Loved how they saved the Hux character. One of the worst if not worst from TFA. Went from super over-played Nazi dewsher to commendable comic relief. Well done.

Casino planet. Meh. Liked the horses though.

IMO, Finn and Po remain forgettable asides.

Came to the conclusion that we have given the Lucasfilm/Disney writers too much credit on back story and characters. Don't think there was ever an intriguing back story to Snoke's rise to power, otherwise he would not be dead. Same for Phasma. Is she dead now? Who cares. Maz - no back story and doubt she appears again. Just too many characters that proved to be nothing burgers.

Knights of Ren? At this point I think it was badass conceptual art concept that Ralph McQuarrie would have been proud of, and likely stolen from, but they can't fit it in.

I was onboard with Rey being just Rey but I think that hand is now over played. Why show the decent looking ship pulling away from Jakku in the TFA? Why have Ewen voice Obi Wan shouting "Rey" in the flashback? Still think there is something there.

Really enjoyed it. Much more indeed than TFA. Not more than R1. Very content wit this and learned from TFA not to set expectations too high. Let's just admit it. We Star Wars nerds are the pickiest fan base there is.

Also, and I realize I am going to feel dumb for stating this.

Carrie Fisher was literally the first crush of my life. Even as a young boy there was such an amazing, intriguing, thing about that woman. She was literally the defining "girl next door", at least to me. Funny thing was, years later when she was in the Burbs, and older, I found her all the more amazing. Looks, voice, demeanor. Sigh.

We watched the credits and when it came up "In memory of Carrie Fisher, Our Princess" it did get me in the feels and I simply do not celebrity worship at any level. Just always loved her, felt she was a troubled soul, and truly hope she is in peace.

I'll share more thoughts tomorrow, but I don't think I liked it all that much. It wasn't bad, but I didn't love it.

Finn and Rose were by far the worst part of the movie. You eliminate both characters from the movie and NOTHING would change. Killing off Snoke actually disappoints me because I don't see much interest in Kylo as a villain other than a lot of temper tantrums. Luke dying at the end was poorly done and got almost no emotional response from me, I was like wait what? I got teary eyed seeing yoda and seeing Luke talk to Leia, but if you take out nostalgia it really was lacking in the emotional department.

TFA made me feel it when Han died, but I got nothing from this movie. It was very mediocre with some bad characters and story points to fill in the movie.

Also, agree that the ship splintering and shattering the First Order fleet at light speed was amazing looking, but it kind of took her a while to come up with that idea while almost everyone died lol.

Considering how bored I was for the first half of the movie, the non-climatic ending, and the little character development that happened with Kylo/Rey I would give this movie a C- or D+. Very disappointing.

PS I thought the movie was reaching a turning point when Finn was going to sacrifice himself, then Rose rolls in and shatters that potential good moment with a corny line and a kiss. Kind of summarizes the movie for me.

So Rey is not a Skywalker? A bit anti climactic


one thing I loved was the movie putting know it all 20 somethings in their place. So many movies and books including Harry Potter, Wheel of Time and Game of Thrones have the world being saved by a bunch of 20 year old. Here Poe repeatedly got egg on his face and by sending out Finn to get the code breaker cost lives. The escape pod gambit would have worked without the code breaker ratting them out. Someone needs to give Poe a code red.

The very last scene with the kid and the broom made the entire movie click for me. The more I think about the movie, the more I appreciate/love it.

Early thoughts are...disappointed.

There was never a true wow emotional moment for me like in the original trilogy or TFA. I always felt like we're building up and never got there.

The plot was a head scratcher, it was pretty much just the rebels being chased in space for 2 and a half hours. Plus if you take out all of the interaction with Finn, Rose, Luke, and Rey with the rebels and the movie pretty much ends the same way.

A big wtf was the beginning, where did the first order get all of these ships and men? What was the point of the base in TFA if you have ships that have that level of firepower (minus stupid people, who have three large spaceships just watch as slow ass bombers blow up their larger ship). Compared to Empire strike back, we knew the empire was already established since the were the ruling government. In this movie it was like, here, bad guys are powerful, good guys are running for their life for some reason, but you don't get that reason (or any other reasoning or motivations for anyone practically in this movie)

There were fun elements, but my disappointment is pretty big, and this definitely wasn't worth the wait or going to a midnight showing in my opinion.

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one thing I loved was the movie putting know it all 20 somethings in their place. So many movies and books including Harry Potter, Wheel of Time and Game of Thrones have the world being saved by a bunch of 20 year old. Here Poe repeatedly got egg on his face and by sending out Finn to get the code breaker cost lives. The escape pod gambit would have worked without the code breaker ratting them out. Someone needs to give Poe a code red.

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Well if she just would have told people the plan then Poe wouldn't have had to come up with his own.

How did this Rian Johnson guy write and direct this movie? Doesn't seem like he has the resume for it. I hope they go with someone better for the next one.

Am I allowed to bet on my own review?

Based on reactions here so far, I'm glad I'm not alone in my indifference. More than anything I was just kind of... bored. It's obviously not a bad movie by any means, and I guess I'd rank it higher than TFA, but I hardly felt anything at all. In fact, I have zero desire to watch this movie again, and my enthusiasm for the third is probably as low as it'll ever be. There were plenty of great moments, no doubt, but in the end it all amounted to a big, numb, shoulder shrug from me.

The Good

- Kylo's desire to "let the past die," ultimately leading to him killing even Snoke, was probably my favorite part of the sequel trilogy so far. Wanting a fresh start - as twisted as his version of that is - is far more relatable/understandable than simply wanting to embrace/join the Dark Side.

- The way in which Snoke was disregarded just as bluntly as he was introduced was, by far, the boldest move of this movie. It made everything I disliked about his character in TFA worth it. Setting up an Emperor clone just to off him like that was fantastic.

- Kylo and Rey's fight against Snoke's guards was probably the second best fight of the franchise for me. I will never understand how Rey is already a master with a lightsaber ("because she's strong in the Force" is a bullsh*t answer), but that was awesome stuff regardless, and an all-around great sequence from the moment Rey arrived in Snoke's chambers 'til she (inexplicably) vanished.

- The hyperspace suicide slice of the The First Order fleet was, indeed, jaw droopingly cool. Just a phenomenal sequence that was unlike anything we've seen in a Star Wars movie in terms of visceral execution and technique.

- I love, love, love how decimated the Resistance now is, to the point of it literally being just a few people, but with the hint of more out there. That's such a cool place to leave it... against insurmountable odds, but with endless hope and possibility. There's almost a Fellowship of the Ring vibe now, and I'm hoping that once we get a glimmer of where they're headed with this thread, I'll start to come around more on the prospect of the next movie.

The Bad

- Rey and Luke's relationship fell super flat for me. I was not at all engaged by anything that was happening on the island. It just left like that whole plot line was going through the motions and then ended on nearly the exact same beat as Luke's training on Dagobah, just way more premature, and for way less of a compelling reason.

- Everything with Finn and Rose was pretty bad too. As has already been noted, Canto Bight just wreaked of prequel-ness. And speaking of the prequels...

- Space Leia was maybe worse than anything the PT had to offer, even Jar Jar. That was sooo ridiculous and stupid looking.

- The First Order sucks. Period. And the continued lack of context around them is still maddening. The impression TFA gave was that they were on their heels at the end of the first movie, after Starkiller base - and presumably much of their fleet - was destroyed. Sure, they wiped out a capital star system or whatever, but it always felt like they were an annoying remnant of the Empire - granted, one that was growing in power - but not anywhere near the might of the Empire in all its glory. So when all the sudden, in the aftermath of losing Starkiller base, the opening crawl to this one tells us that The First Order is basically owning the galaxy now... huh? I still say one of the biggest mistakes of TFA was having the Resistance "win" in the end instead of retreating, because none of this would be an issue now.

- Rey and Kylo Force talking across the galaxy didn't work for me at all. I get why Johnson thought he needed to do it, and I guess I like that Smoke was ultimately responsible, but by the time it got to where Rey was asking Kylo to put a shirt on it really did feel like a parody.

- Rey's arc was utterly uneventful. She's a self-admitted nobody who already assumed she came from nothing and then learned just that. Armed with that knowledge, in the face of adversity, she remained steadfast and optimistic, never truly tempted by the Dark Side. So... how is that any different from her character arc the last go around? Sure, she learned a bit and can... lift rocks now... but I'm legitimately shocked at how little her character evolved and how absent she was in the climax. I don't feel like I know her any better than I did the last go around, and she's getting dangerously close to having Harry Potter syndrome insomuch as being special because... she's special... and never really having to earn it or prove it. After becoming such a pop cultural phenomenon and a beacon to young women after TFA, how every ounce of this movie wasn't devoted to truly advancing and enriching her story in some way is beyond me.

- Further, what of substance was left dangling for Rey's arc going forward? Nothing she learned in this movie requires resolving in the next. She's basically already a bad ass Jedi after hardly any training, she knows and seems at peace with her "origin," and she's now reunited with the only people she knows and loves. She's obviously going to need to be the glue that keeps the Resistance together, so does she have to learn to be a leader now? If so, why not even hint at that here? I just literally have no idea what she's supposed to do going forward, or who she's supposed to be. But more importantly, nor do I really care. That, and her confronting Kylo yet again doesn't interest me in the least. It feels like that well has already run dry.

- Finally, Luke as a Force projection in the climax perfectly summed up the sequel trilogy for me so far... as a faint projection of what could have been. Not only can I not comprehend how we made it two movies without Luke, Leia, and Han physically being in the same scene together - not even once - but the whole thing felt reverse engineered to meet Johnson's idea of Luke fading away while looking at the twin suns on the island. It was like he had that final shot of Luke in mind and came up with the projection idea simply so Luke wouldn't leave the island and Johnson could get that shot. "See you around, kid" was a fantastic and heartbreaking parting line to Kylo, but it wasn't worth Luke not actually being there. As many have already stated, we needed to see him fight one last time, or just use the Force in battle - in person - or... something.

Oh, what could have been.

Maybe I'll come around a bit more in the coming days, but currently have zero desire to even reflect on it further. As of now, I feel like nothing about this movie requires further examination or retrospection.

I don't know... for maybe the first time ever, I kind of truly feel "too old for sh*t."

Pretty sure Disney/Marvel pays reviewers at this point, all of their movies whether mediocre or not magically get amazing RT scores.

I loved it!

I think people just go in expecting one thing, get something else, and then decide it's bad. That's fine and all, but I just don't see how anyone could think this was a bad movie. It might not be what you wanted, but that, to me, is different.

For me at least, I assure you I am being as objective as I possibly can be, and felt that I gave pretty clear reasons as to why much of the movie didn't work for me. None of which was based on any kind of preconceived plot or vibe expectations, or what I wanted from this movie going in. Literally all I wanted from it was to make me care, and it simply didn't.

haha, my 10 year old daughter actually said, "I'm Mary Poppins y'all" as Leia did her space float...ridiculous indeed