I thought the dice were always hanging in the Falcon
So this is a huge huge problem I have with this movie on a Star Wars level.tjholley17 said:
- The flashbacks to Luke and Ben Solo... though I wish we could have seen the entire temple destruction scene, it was nice to see a twist on what we thought happened.
that's kind of the point. He was flawed, he wasn't a perfect Jedi. He saw the darkness in Kylo and what it meant and his first instinct was to destroy it. He went to a dark place in that instant but then pulled himself back... but not before Kylo woke up.bobinator said:So this is a huge huge problem I have with this movie on a Star Wars level.tjholley17 said:
- The flashbacks to Luke and Ben Solo... though I wish we could have seen the entire temple destruction scene, it was nice to see a twist on what we thought happened.
Luke Skywalker, a powerful Jedi master, lit his lightsaber because a momentary emotional urge to kill a young apprentice who at that point hadn't done anything wrong at all? Like, through seven movies one of the very few things we absolutely know about the Jedi is that they don't make decisions by emotion. They step back, clear their mind, think on it, feel the will of the force, etc, etc. And yet Luke, who can communicate with several other Jedi ghosts thought about killing an apprentice enough that he actually clicked on his light saber while standing over him?
This is why if you're a fan of Luke Skywalker that you should be mad about this movie is that he set in motion all of the events that led to the death of Han Solo because he was a bad Jedi and couldn't control his emotions.
jr15aggie said:
I'm sorta pissed at all the early reviews now... I feel duped by a bunch of nobodies that have seen too many movies and don't really care for the Star Wars characters (Luke in particular) the way us fans do.
It's almost as if the reviewers were applauding boldness knowing the fans would hate it! Well screw you guys! It's not art, it's entertainment. And there was one bit if entertainment we wanted from this new trilogy... Luke... And both directors saw it their duty to try and prove they could do it without him. I'm so sick of Hollywood pulling this crap. Get over yourself and your smug ambitions, this was so simple and you went and over thought the entire thing!
TCTTS had a great line... Something to the effect of this new trilogy is exactly like Luke's projection, something that could have been but ultimately vanished!
I'll say again I didn't hate the movie. I'm seeing again tonight and looking forward to it. There was a lot to like here. But I'm probably forever pissed how JJ and Rian discarded Luke. Like really pissed!!!
I think Luke was always more conflicted with the dark side than he let on... he had some Anakin-like moments in Empire Strikes Back. Also he never did finish his training, so I kind of always saw him as a flawed Jedi.bobinator said:So this is a huge huge problem I have with this movie on a Star Wars level.tjholley17 said:
- The flashbacks to Luke and Ben Solo... though I wish we could have seen the entire temple destruction scene, it was nice to see a twist on what we thought happened.
Luke Skywalker, a powerful Jedi master, lit his lightsaber because a momentary emotional urge to kill a young apprentice who at that point hadn't done anything wrong at all? Like, through seven movies one of the very few things we absolutely know about the Jedi is that they don't make decisions by emotion. They step back, clear their mind, think on it, feel the will of the force, etc, etc. And yet Luke, who can communicate with several other Jedi ghosts thought about killing an apprentice enough that he actually clicked on his light saber while standing over him?
This is why if you're a fan of Luke Skywalker that you should be mad about this movie is that he set in motion all of the events that led to the death of Han Solo because he was a bad Jedi and couldn't control his emotions.
Agree 100%WES2006AG said:
Am I the only one who believe that Kylo lied to Rey about her parents? I just don't believe that she comes from nobodies.
I was on the same page about Del Toro being the real codebreaker all along. He was a gambler. He probably lost his pretty little brooch to that other dude gambling.Champ Bailey said:AggieChemist said:That was my take.Jim01 said:
Am I the only one who thought Del Toro was the master code breaker? That Theroux was misdirection and Del Toro was the right guy?
Oh well maybe I'm just an idiot then.
How much more badass would it have been if Ackbar had been alive and the one piloting the cruiser to drive it through Snokes ship. The second before he does it, Hux realizes and yells, "It's a trap!"
Oh and has their been another SW movie indicating that the cannons on an Imperial Destroyer shoot lasers that are affected by gravity... in space?
Me too.Junkhead said:Agree 100%WES2006AG said:
Am I the only one who believe that Kylo lied to Rey about her parents? I just don't believe that she comes from nobodies.
jr15aggie said:YellowPot_97 said:jr15aggie said:
And there was one bit if entertainment we wanted from this new trilogy... Luke... And both directors saw it their duty to try and prove they could do it without him. I'm so sick of Hollywood pulling this crap. Get over yourself and your smug ambitions, this was so simple and you went and over thought the entire thing
You should really take your own advice.
A trilogy about Luke is what you wanted. But this story was never going to be about him. It's about Kylo Rey Poe and Fin. The OT characters are supporting pieces to the real story. No need to be pissed for it not being the story it was never going to be. Any "short comins" are your own, for building up something that was never there.
First of all... stop making this so personal by calling out others who feel differently than you. No reason to make this thread a hostile place. If people want to vent then just let them. Simply state how you feel differently and leave it at that.
So on this angle I actually really loved the movie. I love the yin and yang between Kylo and Rey. Kylo is basically related to every character in the Star Wars universe and Rey isn't related to any of them.Dekker_Lentz said:
I mean it is like the Disney executives and Abrams were sitting around and bouncing ideas around about who all these characters are and Johnson, just said, "why do they have to be anyone?" and it blew everyone's minds and they ran with it and made it the theme of the movie. All of us can be heroes or villians, we don't have to be "anyone".
Except that Rey is actually the one who talked first right? Like she said that deep down she knew all along?Junkhead said:Agree 100%WES2006AG said:
Am I the only one who believe that Kylo lied to Rey about her parents? I just don't believe that she comes from nobodies.
Junkhead said:Agree 100%WES2006AG said:
Am I the only one who believe that Kylo lied to Rey about her parents? I just don't believe that she comes from nobodies.
Jim01 said:
Not sure it's been commented on, but did anyone else notice that on the final scene, when the boy walks out to sweep, he reaches for the broom but didn't seem to grab it, rather it floated the last few inches to him?
Jim01 said:
Not sure it's been commented on, but did anyone else notice that on the final scene, when the boy walks out to sweep, he reaches for the broom but didn't seem to grab it, rather it floated the last few inches to him?
That was kind of hard to miss, but along those lines, Finn reached into a drawer inside the Falcon at one point toward the end to get something and were those the Jedi texts in the drawer? Did Rey take them when she left, which is why Yoda didn't mind sending the tree up in flames?Jim01 said:
Not sure it's been commented on, but did anyone else notice that on the final scene, when the boy walks out to sweep, he reaches for the broom but didn't seem to grab it, rather it floated the last few inches to him?
I noticed it - another thing I didn't like, was a very unlike any other star wars ending..Jim01 said:
Not sure it's been commented on, but did anyone else notice that on the final scene, when the boy walks out to sweep, he reaches for the broom but didn't seem to grab it, rather it floated the last few inches to him?
They should have made it where Del Toro was who they were looking for but he had a gambling problem and lost his lapel pin in a poker game.Champ Bailey said:
Oh I forgot to add, Benicio Del Toro's character. Well acted, completely unbelievable. There is only one man in the galaxy that can break the codes for the First Order, and we lost him. But oh wait, apparently there is two, and he happens to be locked in the same jail cell as the two people looking for the best code breaker in the world. The only way it could have been believable to me was that the First Order planted him there to get Finn and whatever her name was on the Snoke's ship.
AGGies0311 said:
Carpet bombing in zero gravity????
Did it? Because Luke makes a point to say he won't be the last Jedi, so I took the entire ending (with the kid) to mean that Rey is going to bring back the Jedi. That's why I was asking about the books on the Falcon. Did Rey think that far ahead?tjholley17 said:
her part diminished heavily and the climax revolved around Kylo and his conflict with Luke.
After the lightsaber broke in half... we didn't see her for about 20ish minutes. Obviously the ending with her lifting the rocks was big, but for about 20-25 minutes she was absent.bobinator said:Did it? Because Luke makes a point to say he won't be the last Jedi, so I took the entire ending (with the kid) to mean that Rey is going to bring back the Jedi. That's why I was asking about the books on the Falcon. Did Rey think that far ahead?tjholley17 said:
her part diminished heavily and the climax revolved around Kylo and his conflict with Luke.
Either the Knights of Ren or they were the guards in Snoke's throne room.tjholley17 said:
one thing that stuck out to me was when Luke said "Ben left with a handful of my students, and slaughtered the rest"
Where are these other students? (Presumably the Knights of Ren)
Not sure, I assume we will find out because I definitely remember going "oh hey, those should be ash by now."bobinator said:That was kind of hard to miss, but along those lines, Finn reached into a drawer inside the Falcon at one point toward the end to get something and were those the Jedi texts in the drawer? Did Rey take them when she left, which is why Yoda didn't mind sending the tree up in flames?Jim01 said:
Not sure it's been commented on, but did anyone else notice that on the final scene, when the boy walks out to sweep, he reaches for the broom but didn't seem to grab it, rather it floated the last few inches to him?