Who is "everybody else" ?TCTTS said:
Because of everyone else who chimed in corroborating her characterization of him. The dude is an smarmy assh*le. It's to what extent that's up for debate. I'm not saying any of it justifies him losing his show, etc, but the curfews and blacklisting and all that could have absolutely still have happened even if Dykstra is crazy.
Have you met him?TCTTS said:
I didn't go through and link them all here, but on Twitter there were tons of people who have worked with Hardwick who basically confirmed that he was an assh*le, saying that the cat was finally out of the bag. But even before this whole incident, he's a rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, including myself.
Why do we have to seemingly pick sides here? Can't BOTH Dykstra and Hardwick be f*cked up individuals? Maybe that's why they were together in the first place.
So he rubs you off the wrong way, not because of anything you have witnessed yourself, but because a bunch of other people (who probably didn't interact with him either) say he's an a-hole?TCTTS said:
I haven't, but I can't see what that has to do with anything. I've met multiple celebrity assh*les who were cool to me, personally.
aTmAg said:
So he rubs you off the wrong way,
This is why we can't make casual judgements on people based upon one sided reflections of events that may or may not have occurred years ago between two adults. I read this he said she said story all the way through and had my feelings flip around several times.TCTTS said:
I do admit that this is the first instance where I was pretty convinced of the woman's side - and still am - but have since relented a bit and I see how irresponsible her actions where. I still think Hardwick is likely an assh*le, and did everything she said, but she clearly was either massively delusional at the time or had a not-at-all-innocent axe to grind, and it's definitely looking like the latter.
I really don't know Chris Hardwick. Why do people have a deep down belief, outside of Dykstra's accusations, that he is an *******? Genuinely don't know...aTmAg said:Who is "everybody else" ?TCTTS said:
Because of everyone else who chimed in corroborating her characterization of him. The dude is an smarmy assh*le. It's to what extent that's up for debate. I'm not saying any of it justifies him losing his show, etc, but the curfews and blacklisting and all that could have absolutely still have happened even if Dykstra is crazy.
You talking about the tweet from her boyfriend? I don't count that.
this is the part of her story that has bothered me the whole time. It's a serious allegation and it's bull*****Quote:
Including let him sexually assault me. Regularly. I was expected to be ready for him when he came home from work.
One is a proven liar. The other (as far as I can tell so far) is not. That's the difference.TCTTS said:
I really feel like I'm being vastly misunderstood her. I 100% agree with this and don't understand where everyone is getting this idea that a believe Hardwick should lose his career based on Dykstra's account or because he may or may not be an assh*le. The day this all went down, I said IF she's telling the truth, then yes, he deserves everything he has coming to him. But I have NEVER been in favor of the snap judgement mentality/culture in all this that results in people losing their jobs based on a single account.
In this instance, literally all I am saying is that BOTH Dykstra and Hardwick can be guilty of being crazy or assh*les or whatever. That's it and that's all.
Agreed.TCTTS said:
In this instance, literally all I am saying is that BOTH Dykstra and Hardwick can be guilty of being crazy or assh*les or whatever. That's it and that's all.
Here are some people who are defending him who undoubtedly know Hardwick better than random people on twitter:TCTTS said:
How am I not being clear, here? There were MULTIPLE tweets, from a plethora of people who have worked with Hardwick, interacted with him, and know him, who ALL said, "Yeah, the dude's an assh*le."
You had him convicted in your mind before any of the facts came out. Just because he "rubbed you the wrong way." Then you have the audacity to say:Quote:
All I know is that Hardwick has always been one of those hip, uber nerds who has rubbed me the wrong way for reasons I've never been able to quite put my finger on. This at least confirms my suspicions.
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I have NEVER been in favor of the snap judgement mentality/culture in all this that results in people losing their jobs based on a single account.
Because he still is claiming that Hardwick is an a-hole and chooses to only believe negative tweets merely because he "rubbed him the wrong way" (without ever having met him).SeattleAgJr said:
TCTTS has admitted his line of thinking has changed, and quite a bit. Not sure why you are going on about this.
free_mhayden said:
BECAUSE HE DESERVES TO LOSE HIS JOB OVER THIS
The mother in law absolutely has more validity than Dylstra's boyfriend. If I treated my wife poorly, my in laws would know for damn sure and would be all up in my s**t about it. And if Hardwick was such a controlling jackass with a past girlfriend, why wouldn't he also be that way with his wife? A-holes to that degree don't turn it off suddenly.FL_Ag1998 said:
Wait dude (aTmAg), are seriously going to rip TCTTS for posting Dykstra's boyfriend's tweet, and then turn around and try to use Hardwick's wife and mother-in-law as his corroborating witnesses? I'll give you Carolla, but the other two have no more validity than Dylstra's boyfriend, lol.
A dude has had his career potentially ruined over this. There are far too many cases of men getting their lives ruined due to a mere allegation. It has been taken too far. It's like we haven't learned crap from the Duke rape case.Quote:
And man, you've got quite the hard-on for this case. Relax.
I have no problem with fractional reserve banking. At least use a real example.Belton Ag said:
You guys think aTmAg is being stubborn about this, try having a debate with him about the fractional reserve banking system and the role it plays in the exponential rise of debt instruments.
I expected a pedophile shoe to drop long ago. Now I'm wondering of it ever will. I'm afraid that these false accusations might swing the pendulum too far back the other way. And you know those children have no proof decades later, so most abusers are going to get off scott free. That will be a travesty.bearamedic99 said:
We get it. TCTTS may have joined the anti-Hardwick bandwagon early. There were people coming out besides the ex and her boyfriend, stating that Hardwick is an arse. We rely maybe too heavily on TCTTS for the insider scoop and opinions. That lately may be blowing up in his face in this thread and the Roseanne thread because people have been attacking him here. He is also entitled to an opinion and he is not always right. He does a good job of trying to use credible sources but no one is perfect. Personally, I have never liked Hardwick; he came across too smug, unfunny, and just wrong. Should Hardwick lose his career over it? Sure and replace him with someone more likable but my decision doesn't matter.
The Me too movement got rid of some evil people from the industry, brought to light some creeps like Morgan F, and also been an unfair witch hunt. Hopefully it continues to bring evil to light. I don't think there has been enough light on the pedophiles and older men who prey on people like Terry Crews (granted an adult), Brendan Fraser, James Van Der Beek, Corey Feldman, and so on.
I didn't say you had a problem with it.aTmAg said:I have no problem with fractional reserve banking. At least use a real example.Belton Ag said:
You guys think aTmAg is being stubborn about this, try having a debate with him about the fractional reserve banking system and the role it plays in the exponential rise of debt instruments.
you might be a pyschopathaTmAg said:Here are some people who are defending him who undoubtedly know Hardwick better than random people on twitter:TCTTS said:
How am I not being clear, here? There were MULTIPLE tweets, from a plethora of people who have worked with Hardwick, interacted with him, and know him, who ALL said, "Yeah, the dude's an assh*le."
Chris Hardwick's Wife Defends Him Amid Allegations Of Sexual Misconduct
Yeah, that's his wife (which should be okay, since you seem to think Dykstra's boyfriends word is gospel). You might say that maybe she's a victim and afraid to speak out, but would her mom then come out and defend him too? :
Patty Hearst Defends Son-In-Law Chris Hardwick In Wake Of Assault Allegations
She would have every interest in the world to get her daughter away from the "monster", right? Yet she is defending him instead. Also here is Adam Carolla defending him saying he's "a gentile soul of a guy".
Adam Carolla Defends Chris Hardwick Against Sexual Abuse Allegations: 'He's a Gentle Soul of a Guy'
So it can't be said that the negative opinion of Hardwick is universal. It seems that you jumped on this bandwagon from the get-go. Hell your first post right after Bucks initial post about Hardwick was:You had him convicted in your mind before any of the facts came out. Just because he "rubbed you the wrong way." Then you have the audacity to say:Quote:
All I know is that Hardwick has always been one of those hip, uber nerds who has rubbed me the wrong way for reasons I've never been able to quite put my finger on. This at least confirms my suspicions.Quote:
I have NEVER been in favor of the snap judgement mentality/culture in all this that results in people losing their jobs based on a single account.
Yet you are guilty of such a snap judgement.
