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CherryLodes said:

Are we going to look back on this in a decade as the witch hunts of our lifetime? I feel like a few men did some really nasty things, but in the fallout I think there are going to be some innocents sent to slaughter.
Which ones specifically so far do you think are innocent? Most have apologized and confirmed at least most of the accusations put forth about them?

Inevitably some innocent will be swept up...and probably some of the accusations are exaggerated but most so far are, surprisingly to me, already confirmed.
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WestAustinAg said:

CherryLodes said:

Are we going to look back on this in a decade as the witch hunts of our lifetime? I feel like a few men did some really nasty things, but in the fallout I think there are going to be some innocents sent to slaughter.
Which ones specifically so far do you think are innocent? Most have apologized and confirmed at least most of the accusations put forth about them?

Inevitably some innocent will be swept up...and probably some of the accusations are exaggerated but most so far are, surprisingly to me, already confirmed.

In her next post after the one you quoted, Cherry says women are mean and ambitious and are making these stories up to lead innocent men to slaughter in possibly the greatest witch hunt of modern times which is exactly the kind of over generalized "witch hunt " BS she claims to be concerned about happening. Its like raaaaaiiaaaan on your wedding day.
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No one in particular at the moment. I understand that there are men out there that use their position for sex and other things. And no, I don't think its right--it needs to stop and if calling them out publicly does it, then I'm all for it. Since the Harvey W news broke, we are seeing multiple allegations a day. The culture is changing from "boys will be boys" to holding others accountable. That's also a really good thing. Just hard to reconcile so many accusations, some from years or decades ago, to all come out at once. Maybe all of these women found the courage to report now after the first one came out. I hope that my fears are wrong and no one gets caught in the crossfire. Maybe its worth it even if it does happen. IDK. It was just an early morning thought.
GinaLinetti
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Dude. Who rained on your parade? I don't know how many women you know but we are mean. We don't all act on it, but it's the truth. Just like all men don't run around groping women for ****s and giggles.
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swimmerbabe11 said:


So what's your thought here, you don't buy his story? If that's true, that he did apologize, she forgave, and now has her attorney contact him...well, that's ****ty.
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Don't know much about it tbh. His story seems believable to me but I haven't read her telling of it either.

If He is telling the truth, he got screwed.
If not, he's a pretty good liar...but all that is easy to prove since there are emails involved.
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CherryLodes said:

Dude. Who rained on your parade? I don't know how many women you know but we are mean. We don't all act on it, but it's the truth. Just like all men don't run around groping women for ****s and giggles.

I just found it strange that your reaction to this was that women are mean liars out to ruin mens lives. Then when someone asks you for some examples of wrongly accused men you have none. Its like you woke up every day for 35 years and saw a yellow sun and a blue sky and your conclusion was that surely tomorrow the sun will be green.
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GinaLinetti
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You read waaaaaaay too much into it. It was meant to be a conversation not a diatribe that all of the accused are innocent and all women are evil.


Sorry for the edits. My phone went all exorcist on me
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expresswrittenconsent said:

CherryLodes said:

Dude. Who rained on your parade? I don't know how many women you know but we are mean. We don't all act on it, but it's the truth. Just like all men don't run around groping women for ****s and giggles.

I just found it strange that your reaction to this was that women are mean liars out to ruin mens lives. Then when someone asks you for some examples of wrongly accused men you have none. Its like you woke up every day for 35 years and saw a yellow sun and a blue sky and your conclusion was that surely tomorrow the sun will be green.
That's an extremely over the top hot take. And registering a sock just to take shots at other posters is weird af.
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Quote:

His office was in a secluded space, and he had a button under his desk that allowed him to lock his door from the inside without getting up.
This is one of the creepier things I've read yet.
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Damn.

Lauer is Weinstein; Weinstein is Lauer.
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Sounds like some Dr. Evil *****
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From the NYT article

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(People who worked at NBC said the button was a regular security measure installed for high-profile employees.)
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third coast.. said:

how on earth do you even convince your building engineers to install that kind of button

Are you asking for a friend?
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GinaLinetti
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I read somewhere that it's fairly common for execs (men and women) at NBC to have this. Still weird but I don't think it was a special order. Hell maybe he started the trend
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Jim01
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They call those doors the Swansons.

Aust Ag
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Megan Kelly just said (talking about who victims could turn to) said "these things also happened at Fox, and going to HR would have been futile". It's crazy to think at Fox, probably at NBC, that if you went to HR you'd get blown off. Trying to wrap my head around that....put in perspective. Like, if my companies' CEO (a Matt Lauer "equivalent") was pulling the same kind of stunts with female employees, and the victims went to HR, what would happen? I'd like to think he'd be fired, but who knows? Victim could also go to the Labor Commission, I've seen that happen (at another company) Maybe if varies from company to company. I guess this is what this all about in the macro view. It not being a "company to company" thing, and a "every company" thing.
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Aust Ag said:

Megan Kelly just said (talking about who victims could turn to) said "these things also happened at Fox, and going to HR would have been futile". It's crazy to think at Fox, probably at NBC, that if you went to HR you'd get blown off. Trying to wrap my head around that....put in perspective. Like, if my companies' CEO (a Matt Lauer "equivalent") was pulling the same kind of stunts with female employees, and the victims went to HR, what would happen? I'd like to think he'd be fired, but who knows? Victim could also go to the Labor Commission, I've seen that happen (at another company) Maybe if varies from company to company. I guess this is what this all about in the macro view. It not being a "company to company" thing, and a "every company" thing.
Basically what we are seeing is that if the accused is a prominent employee making tons of cash...HR departments look the other way.

From my experience Law Firms would be another employer where this is rampant. HR departments are weak and rainmakers have a lot of power and many are arrogant *******s with a god complex.
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Franken just had an other accuser

Russell Simmons just had another accuser
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HR departments work for the company. They are not independent folks looking out for the well-being of rank-and-file employees.
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http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/29/jane-doe-lawsuit-unknown-celebrity-rape-hiv/

This thread can now crossover with the Charlie Sheen HIV thread of a few years ago...
WestAustinAg
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Question for the group - what if someone on the current movie set of Star Wars - The last Jedi...someone like Mark Hamill were accused this week of serious sexual harassment by 2 or 3 women...interns...what would the franchise do?

I can't fathom the destruction that it would cause to this particular movie but to the whole franchise.
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nikator said:

Aust Ag said:

Megan Kelly just said (talking about who victims could turn to) said "these things also happened at Fox, and going to HR would have been futile". It's crazy to think at Fox, probably at NBC, that if you went to HR you'd get blown off. Trying to wrap my head around that....put in perspective. Like, if my companies' CEO (a Matt Lauer "equivalent") was pulling the same kind of stunts with female employees, and the victims went to HR, what would happen? I'd like to think he'd be fired, but who knows? Victim could also go to the Labor Commission, I've seen that happen (at another company) Maybe if varies from company to company. I guess this is what this all about in the macro view. It not being a "company to company" thing, and a "every company" thing.
Basically what we are seeing is that if the accused is a prominent employee making tons of cash...HR departments look the other way.

From my experience Law Firms would be another employer where this is rampant. HR departments are weak and rainmakers have a lot of power and many are arrogant *******s with a god complex.
If the assistant cameraman is sexually harassing people they will be out on their ass before the day is over. If someone like O'Reilley or Lauer who bring in millions of dollars in advertising buys are accused it's going to be treated differently, and clearly often times not even reprimanded.

Much like college football where the Heisman candidate may be able to get away with things that the back-up punter would be shown the door for.

It is a terrible way to do things and clearly a lot of women have been the victim of this mindset. We have started to see change but there is still a lot of it to come.
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WestAustinAg said:

Question for the group - what if someone on the current movie set of Star Wars - The last Jedi...someone like Mark Hamill were accused this week of serious sexual harassment by 2 or 3 women...interns...what would the franchise do?

I can't fathom the destruction that it would cause to this particular movie but to the whole franchise.
WestAustinAg
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CJS4715 said:

HR departments work for the company. They are not independent folks looking out for the well-being of rank-and-file employees.
Which means they really work for the executive management team...further simplified they work for the CEO.

The risk of a company having a compromised HR staff that will only do the bidding of its CEO is not likely to happen at old companies like GE or GM who have slowly and carefully developed governance models. But it could happen at companies that are relatively young (corporate age) as in start ups like Google, Facebook etc. where the development of strong oversight is compromised to urgent growth. Also if the executive management and the staff are relatively young that increases the chances. Then when you add an iconic boss who is unusually powerful at the company he founded (they all owe him their fortunes) like we see at many Silicon Valley companies you have the prescription for disaster.

I've worked my entire life in technology and one of them was an explosive start up that made everyone rich. That company had an explemplar CEO but still the sexual atmosphere was out of control for the exec management team.

So I'm sure there are some CEO's right now in the Valley who are working feverishly to sweep aside the trail of sexual assault victims they have created...probably through stock options, etc. That wave is coming next (after we go through the music industry).
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WestAustinAg said:

CJS4715 said:

HR departments work for the company. They are not independent folks looking out for the well-being of rank-and-file employees.
Which means they really work for the executive management team...further simplified they work for the CEO.

The risk of a company having a compromised HR staff that will only do the bidding of its CEO is not likely to happen at old companies like GE or GM who have slowly and carefully developed governance models. But it could happen at companies that are relatively young (corporate age) as in start ups like Google, Facebook etc. where the development of strong oversight is compromised to urgent growth. Also if the executive management and the staff are relatively young that increases the chances. Then when you add an iconic boss who is unusually powerful at the company he founded (they all owe him their fortunes) like we see at many Silicon Valley companies you have the prescription for disaster.

I've worked my entire life in technology and one of them was an explosive start up that made everyone rich. That company had an explemplar CEO but still the sexual atmosphere was out of control for the exec management team.

So I'm sure there are some CEO's right now in the Valley who are working feverishly to sweep aside the trail of sexual assault victims they have created...probably through stock options, etc. That wave is coming next (after we go through the music industry).
I fully agree with this, but it seems like most of these accusations are arising from those companies whom you would expect to have fully-developed governance.
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If this happened at my company you would be gone regardless of who you are assuming the investigation proved out as legitimate.

I've seen executives get fired for lesser offenses than this that are not strictly job performance related.
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CherryLodes said:

I read somewhere that it's fairly common for execs (men and women) at NBC to have this. Still weird but I don't think it was a special order. Hell maybe he started the trend
these buttons are extremely common for executives. security issues. confidential phone calls, etc. can they be used for nefarious purposes? absolutely, but they are not uncommon or "weird" in anyway.
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