JUST came to post this. Should have know TCTTS would scoop me 
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Truthfully, some of these older dudes who are still obsessed with cartoons to this degree have always kind of creeped me out. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy certain Pixar movies, and I don't mean to stereotype, I'm just saying that there's a certain breed of grown-ass adult male who's just a little too much into animation, Walt Disney World, magic, etc to an uncomfortable degree, so much so that this news doesn't really surprise me.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/saturday-night-live-women-defend-franken-after-groping-allegations-n822806
I have some thoughts..but mostly that last sentence where they thank him for treating them with respect (unlike Leeann Tweedon) sits pretty wrong with me. However, if I had a friend of coworker accused of being a pervert/harrasser and I genuinely felt like that was untrue/out of character, I would feel compelled to speak out about my (good) experiences with them.
This feels wierd to me though.
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In the letter, the women slammed Franken's behavior toward Leeann Tweeden who accused the lawmaker of forcibly kissing and groping her more than a decade ago as "stupid and foolish" but wrote that "not one of us ever experienced any inappropriate behavior" from the former SNL cast member.
"We feel compelled to stand up for Al Franken, whom we have all had the pleasure of working with over the years on Saturday Night Live (SNL). What Al did was stupid and foolish, and we think it was appropriate for him to apologize to Ms. Tweeden, and to the public," the women wrote. "In our experience, we know Al as a devoted and dedicated family man, a wonderful comedic performer, and an honorable public servant."
"That is why we are moved to quickly and directly affirm that after years of working with him, we would like to acknowledge that not one of us ever experienced any inappropriate behavior; and mention our sincere appreciation that he treated each of us with the utmost respect and regard,
I have some thoughts..but mostly that last sentence where they thank him for treating them with respect (unlike Leeann Tweedon) sits pretty wrong with me. However, if I had a friend of coworker accused of being a pervert/harrasser and I genuinely felt like that was untrue/out of character, I would feel compelled to speak out about my (good) experiences with them.
This feels wierd to me though.
I get where you're coming from, but I'd wager that most animators (and i know a fair number of guys at Disney and Pixar as well as other places) really aren't like that at all. The folks doing it at a high level are much more into the performance, staging, story, and artform than the "Disney" angle.TCTTS said:
Truthfully, some of these older dudes who are still obsessed with cartoons to this degree have always kind of creeped me out. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy certain Pixar movies, and I don't mean to stereotype, I'm just saying that there's a certain breed of grown-ass adult male who's just a little too much into animation, Walt Disney World, magic, etc to an uncomfortable degree, so much so that this news doesn't really surprise me.
I'm sure there's some, but they're the exception rather than the norm.
it's a tricky situation for sure...i see no reason why people can't or shouldn't offer their positive experiences with any of those people accused of wrongdoing, though it shouldn't be twisted or construed as dismissing another's experiences (which might be quite different).
but that last sentence is definitely strange and maybe it speaks to how bad things have gotten. being treated with respect should be expected, not cause for expressing appreciation.
but that last sentence is definitely strange and maybe it speaks to how bad things have gotten. being treated with respect should be expected, not cause for expressing appreciation.
Agreed. I tried to make it clear that I was talking about a very specific type. I know tons of animators as well and none of them are even remotely like the Lasseter types. Just talking about the ones like him who have model trains running all through their house, wear Hawaiian shirts every day, seem a little too "jolly" in a creepy kind of way, etc...fig96 said:I get where you're coming from, but I'd wager that most animators (and i know a fair number of guys at Disney and Pixar as well as other places) really aren't like that at all. The folks doing it at a high level are much more into the performance, staging, story, and artform than the "Disney" angle.TCTTS said:
Truthfully, some of these older dudes who are still obsessed with cartoons to this degree have always kind of creeped me out. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy certain Pixar movies, and I don't mean to stereotype, I'm just saying that there's a certain breed of grown-ass adult male who's just a little too much into animation, Walt Disney World, magic, etc to an uncomfortable degree, so much so that this news doesn't really surprise me.
I'm sure there's some, but they're the exception rather than the norm.
I hear ya. And read the article, ugh.TCTTS said:Agreed. I tried to make it clear that I was talking about a very specific type. I know tons of animators of as well and none of them are even remotely like the Lasseter types. Just talking about the ones like him who have model trains running all through their house, wear Hawaiian shirts every day, seem a little too "jolly" in a creepy kind of way, etc...fig96 said:I get where you're coming from, but I'd wager that most animators (and i know a fair number of guys at Disney and Pixar as well as other places) really aren't like that at all. The folks doing it at a high level are much more into the performance, staging, story, and artform than the "Disney" angle.TCTTS said:
Truthfully, some of these older dudes who are still obsessed with cartoons to this degree have always kind of creeped me out. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy certain Pixar movies, and I don't mean to stereotype, I'm just saying that there's a certain breed of grown-ass adult male who's just a little too much into animation, Walt Disney World, magic, etc to an uncomfortable degree, so much so that this news doesn't really surprise me.
I'm sure there's some, but they're the exception rather than the norm.
Jesus Christ.
fig96 said:Well, your first mistake was going to the politics board.Presley OBannons Sword said:YouBet said:I'm not defending powerful men you drama queen. I'm merely pointing out how easy it is to ruin someone's life on what could be baseless accusations.expresswrittenconsent said:
Be sure to let us know when someone has 8 or more accusations of harassment is being falsely accused.
THE WITCH HUNT ON POWERFUL MEN IS REAL!!!
I was banned for calling someone a drama queen on the politics board.
When you're right, you're right
I bet ol Charlie Rose thought he was living the dream.
TCTTS said:Agreed. I tried to make it clear that I was talking about a very specific type. I know tons of animators as well and none of them are even remotely like the Lasseter types. Just talking about the ones like him who have model trains running all through their house, wear Hawaiian shirts every day, seem a little too "jolly" in a creepy kind of way, etc...fig96 said:I get where you're coming from, but I'd wager that most animators (and i know a fair number of guys at Disney and Pixar as well as other places) really aren't like that at all. The folks doing it at a high level are much more into the performance, staging, story, and artform than the "Disney" angle.TCTTS said:
Truthfully, some of these older dudes who are still obsessed with cartoons to this degree have always kind of creeped me out. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy certain Pixar movies, and I don't mean to stereotype, I'm just saying that there's a certain breed of grown-ass adult male who's just a little too much into animation, Walt Disney World, magic, etc to an uncomfortable degree, so much so that this news doesn't really surprise me.
I'm sure there's some, but they're the exception rather than the norm.
This is probably the first one that hurts. The guy is responsible for a lot of my childhood and even young adulthood.
Your last sentence reminds me of the Chris Rock line talking about dads bragging about taking care of their kids
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO, YOU DUMB MF'ER
You low expectation having mother f***er!
First Pixar, now Backstreet Boys.
My childhood is crumbling before my eyes.
My childhood is crumbling before my eyes.
Am I the only one drawing a blank on the girl band Dream?
Negative, no clue.CJS4715 said:
Am I the only one drawing a blank on the girl band Dream?
I vaguely remember this video/single...
What?ChiliBeans said:Would need a face. Besides, Maximum Rock and Roll was where it's at.third coast.. said:
also, I used to get my vice mags from Rad Rich. Any of you old school Houston degenerates should know who I am talking about. that dude is STILL around.
Whats a beta.Presley OBannons Sword said:
We should start a betting pool on who will be the next accused, or something along those lines. My money is on Jonah Hill or Seth Rogen. Both of those betas seem like just the type.
Man everybody was down on Mel Gibson but I'm pretty sure he isn't a pedo.
Never heard of Russel Simmons? Ratner's been a notorious scumbag producer for years and years, but I can understand not knowing his name. Simmons, though, is fairly famous.
That said - her story is gut-wrenching and sad. She lays it out there in a way where you can really see how easy it was to stay quiet.
TCTTS said:
Never heard of Russel Simmons? Ratner's been a notorious scumbag producer for years and years, but I can understand not knowing his name. Simmons, though, is fairly famous.
I'm embarrassed to admit my first thought was "Richard Simmons?!?!"
I remember liking Dream for a minute or two.
Richard Simmons went underground.swimmerbabe11 said:TCTTS said:
Never heard of Russel Simmons? Ratner's been a notorious scumbag producer for years and years, but I can understand not knowing his name. Simmons, though, is fairly famous.
I'm embarrassed to admit my first thought was "Richard Simmons?!?!"
I remember liking Dream for a minute or two.
Franco will be next. Calling it.
What would be really interesting is, let Franco continue on his path towards a possible Oscar, then break the story a few days before the Oscars.
Then sit back and watch the fireworks.
Then sit back and watch the fireworks.
I think he already got called out last year didn't he?Brian Earl Spilner said:
Franco will be next. Calling it.
But then it kind of disappeared, it was sort of like Louis CK. I think it's gonna come back around and bust wide open. If he did it with one underage girl, I bet it's a pattern.
swimmerbabe11 said:VanZandt92 said:
Charlie Rose.
Is doing these things more normal than I ever knew?
Yes and that was 100% The point of #metoo
Wonder if any of the victims would have appreciated a southern boy whipping the assaulters ass on the spot for not treating a lady properly.
By no means am i saying southerners don't have just as many asshats crossing the line. But i just find it amusing that guys that try to follow traditional roles get made fun of...and they likely could have solved a lot of these situations as they unfolded...without a hashtag.
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