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Bunk Moreland
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/rose-mcgowan-speaks-out-about-her-arrest-on-drug-charges


What do we say? She's full of ****, or Weinstein's people followed her on a plane, got close to her bag when she went to the bathroom, put 2 bags of coke in it, then make sure it would get "lost" on the plane before she got off?
Know Your Enemy
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My initial thought is that she's bat **** crazy but based off some of the other Harvey stories we've heard it wouldn't shock me now if this is true.
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Jim01
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Yeah it's very hard to tell. Seems like he hired people that are MORE than capable of pulling something like that off, but not sure we'll ever know the truth on that one.
Jim01
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Al Franken????

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/radio-host-says-al-franken-kissed-groped-her-consent-1058968

Diggity
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Yeah it's very hard to tell. Seems like he hired people that are MORE than capable of pulling something like that off, but not sure we'll ever know the truth on that one.

story has too many holes and she's not exactly a reliable witness.
Jim01
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This one is a wait and see to me if anybody else comes forward.

I will say that in the photo, judging by the shadows his hands are making, it doesn't look like he's actually touching her, but rather posing and hovering over her breasts. Still in bad taste though.
Bunk Moreland
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Doesn't surprise me on Franken.
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TCTTS
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MW03
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TCTTS said:


"I don't get the joke," Franken pressed. "Sometimes, when you don't get a joke, it's because it wasn't a joke."

- Sen. Al Franken, literally yesterday
Aust Ag
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Jim01 said:

This one is a wait and see to me if anybody else comes forward.

I will say that in the photo, judging by the shadows his hands are making, it doesn't look like he's actually touching her, but rather posing and hovering over her breasts. Still in bad taste though.
Don't know if "bad taste" is strong enough words for a US Senator. Besides, what happen seconds after that photo?
Bunk Moreland
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edit. nvmnd.
Diggity
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if you're into the whole, "I'm embarrassed to be a [white] male in this country" vibe that plays so well.

All that aside, this paragraph bothered me the most for some reason. It just reeks of someone that's trying too hard to be profound.


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Artie Lange once framed comedy as an addiction, one of many he admits he's had to juggle throughout his adult life. "Ask any comedian, when an audience erupts at something you say, nothing else matters," he wrote in his second (!) autobiography. "It's like tossing a bucket of blood into the water when a hungry shark is around: once a comedian gets a taste for laughter, they'll hunt it down by whatever means necessary." And that's telling, because it's a reminder that laughs are the ONLY goal in comedy, and that everything used in service of getting them is mostly illusory, including the truth. You, the comedy enjoyer, are a mark. Lange, like other comedians, wants you to think that this addiction is some kind of plight, when really it's just a way of selling their own personal misery to justify whatever jokes they need to make to get their fix.

well no **** Drew.

Believe it or not, there are comedians out there that can go blue without acting out every impulse in real life. And as much as you hate to admit it, men (and women) have a deviant side to them and it can be used in a humorous manner. Comedy as catharsis is not a new idea.
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Jim01
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He wasn't a senator then, just a comedic personality. I'm not defending his actions though, but I think it's important to separate the Weinstein/Spacey/Louis CK group from a potentially one off stupid move. That's what I meant by wait and see.
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Diggity said:

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Yeah it's very hard to tell. Seems like he hired people that are MORE than capable of pulling something like that off, but not sure we'll ever know the truth on that one.

story has too many holes and she's not exactly a reliable witness.

When did Rose McGowen become an unreliable witness? seems like she's been a big part of this from the beginning and he did a lot of stuff to discredit/hurt her.
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TCTTS said:



This is horrifying.

Scientology is the worst.
Diggity
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around the time she married Marilyn Manson.

She was always considered to be looney tunes...well before the Weinstein stuff came up. Maybe that's all BS.

Found this little gem from her too:


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Well, Salva is a convicted and registered sex offender, which might account for some social awkwardness.

Yeah, I still don't really understand the whole story or history there, and I'd rather not, because it's not really my business. But he's an incredibly sweet and gentle man, lovely to his crew, and a very hard worker.
https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/features/2011/08/11/rose-mcgowan-my-life-l-word
TCTTS
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This is good to see. Guy does something stupid (if not a bit creepy), apologizes, accusor accepts his apology, everyone (hopefully) moves on...

MW03
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I would except for the fact that he spent an hour granstanding Justice Willett over an A-Rod joke.
Pahdz
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Bet if he was a republican senator that wouldn't happen
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TCTTS said:


Interesting. It seems somewhat credible, but I also don't think she made a case for sexual assault. Having consensual sex with Sly, then "being uncomfortable" when the bodyguard joined in, without any physical force on their part or refusal on her part, doesn't add up to sexual assault. I think that's a misleading headline at best.
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Liquid Wrench
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The admixture of hipster and bro cultures is one of the stranger things about this decade. Suddenly, wearing a flat billed hat, jersey, and unnecessary eyewear is a sign of cultural awareness. It's like, "Hey, I'm not some rapey fratboy. But I could be."
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third coast.. said:

im not sure how the news about VICE surprised anyone. That rag started off as a sex drugs and rock n roll, punk rock, **** the man, cool guy hipster rtype magazine.
I notice people doing this a lot on this board. Someone posts a piece of news, a simple discussion ensues, and then someone pops in and essentially goes, "How is this surprising?"

No one in this thread has expressed disbelief in the Vice news at all. I posted a link to a story, some people asked some questions about the company, and then everyone was basically like, "Yeah, this makes sense."
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YouBet
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Admittedly would be a little pissed if this took Franken out when his every day communist, hypocritical b.s. didn't.
LHIOB
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I watched Baby Driver on my flight this morning and Kevin Spacey only slightly effected my view of the movie. I kept on asking myself who would have that role if the movie was made in 2018...

Either way a really good movie
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Liquid Wrench
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It's a little weird how he thinks we're talking about him whenever we talk about Hollywood (sorry Sex Panther; thinking about you bro).
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Have we reached a moment where a claim might actually be fought back against? Surely Tambor wouldn't be stupid enough to sexually harass a trans woman on the set of a show where he stars as a trans woman.

This just doesn't sound right or real.
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Vice mgazine goes back nearly 25 yrs and it was small and fringe and progressive with regards to stuff like transgender which was not at all accepted in the 90s.
Like someone said earlier, the tv channel was basically the rebranding of the frat bro network spike into some hybrid of bro culture + skateboards + decorative glasses.

The mag was proudly counter culture, the tv channel proudly appropriated and co opted those looks in order to sell merch and make money, which is the most millenial thing ever.
 
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