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3:15p, 6/15/18
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Hasn't Hardwick long been considered one of Hollywoods "Nice Guys"?

Coulda sworn I've read a few times right here on these boards he's really well liked in Hollywood and seen as a pretty decent guy.
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In reply to expresswrittenconsent • 4:54p, 6/15/18
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expresswrittenconsent said:
Urban Ag said:
TCTTS said:
ABUSIVE nerdy white guys. Please don't turn this into something it's not.
My eyes have really been opened to the world of nerdy white guys in the past couple of years. The whole "incel" thing and all of that. Boys that have spent their lives on their iphones, social media, playing video games, and essentially have no idea what actual masculinity is about. Not to mention they've probably addled their minds with porn addiction. They then lash out at women in general because, unless they have wealth, most women don't have any attraction to weakling males who couldn't change a tire if their life depended on it.

These are the sh**birds that harass the Kelly Marie Tran's of the world to the point of needing therapy, safe behind the security of twitter handles. What a bunch of f'ing loser.


I think you are right about some of the nerd culture and the whole involuntarily celibate culture. But the 20-30 years of problems with how we express/encourage proper masculinity and discourage the negatives of "boys will be boys" goes far beyond the nerds. Look at the current gun culture - social media within gun culture have turned guns into pornography (look at the texags outdoors board- that place is amazing and is mostly farmers and ranchers and city folks who like to hunt/fish on the weekends, but there are a few gun porn dudes and they usually have a 2006/7ish or newer era class year in their username).
If you go back to the late 70s and before, guns were tools, similar to a shovel, screwdriver, or post hole digger.


take it to the "Guns are bad, 'mmkay" thread
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4:57p, 6/15/18
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what was the Will W tweet? i don't see it
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8:21p, 6/15/18
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In reply to bearamedic99 • 8:58p, 6/15/18
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The tweet is:
"I'm shocked, and I'm sure you'll understand that before I'm ready to make a public statement about my best friend to 3 million+ people, I need some time to process what's going on and put words to my thoughts. Thanks for listening and understanding."

Apparently some are giving him crap for not immediately condemning Hardwick and saying he had to know. I say bull and Wheaton is doing the right thing. Movements like this move from justice to dangerous when people start blindly jumping on board. The guy deserves time to process. I have friends I've known for a decade and then learned stuff about that I had no clue about. It's not an accurate assumption to think he had to know.
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9:07p, 6/15/18
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 9:12p, 6/15/18
Maybe if he was an alpha male he wouldn't feel the need to treat women like ****
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9:16p, 6/15/18
Nothing would make me happier than to have Wil Wheaton taken down.

He is such an insufferable hateful little *****.

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9:18p, 6/15/18
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Not on board with the social media one-side-of-the-story-after-a-failed-relationship witch hunts
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9:21p, 6/15/18
Yes this is a lot of he-said versus she said, and pretty much everybody automatically supports the she-said by default. That is complete and utter b*******.

Most of this stuff is just people being s***** to each other. Nothing criminal. Yet they get convicted in the court of public opinion by hearsay, they lose their jobs and livelihood, and queues it up for the next person to be victimized by this whole process.
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9:29p, 6/15/18
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Many relationships end poorly with both sides being ****ty to each other. But not criminal. This social media mob is basically just one side getting the last word/****ty act in and doing so with the intent to ruin the other's life. That isn't any kind of justice. That's just being an ahole.

If it's not criminal behavior and you aren't reporting it to authorities, then I honestly do not give a **** and think you need to shut the **** up.
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In reply to bearamedic99 • 9:33p, 6/15/18
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bearamedic99 said:
what was the Will W tweet? i don't see it
It seems to have been taken down.

It was some woman saying that she hoped that "the truth" about Wheaton will come out as she claimed that she knew "many" women who said he's a monster. She refused to give any names or specific acts and insisted if you didn't believe her you were siding with abusive behavior.

I don't know anything about Wheaton, but that was just complete BS.
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9:33p, 6/15/18
yet people are saying he PHYSICALLY abused this woman, which even she says he is not.

yet that is getting retweeted to advertisers, people, the world.

it is an unfair process with no recourse for the falsely accused.
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In reply to SeattleAgJr • 9:42p, 6/15/18
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Did you not read the article? He sexually assaulted her by telling her that previous relationships without sex ended up failing.
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In reply to Diggity • 9:45p, 6/15/18
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Did you not read the article? He sexually assaulted her by telling her that previous relationships without sex ended up failing.
I have read several different articles, none covered physical sex, just the inter-relational mental abuse. if that is the case, then I walk it back./
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In reply to SeattleAgJr • 9:48p, 6/15/18
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Just quoting her original article.

"sexual assault" is a stretch to say the least but it apparently doesn't take much to throw that label out these days.
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9:52p, 6/15/18
the mainstream news sites have kept the allegation broad, but I did just do a google search of 2nd tier sites and yes, it appears there is A LOT more to the accusations - such as asking the doctor how soon she could have sex right after she had just had a miscarriage.

if true, despicable.
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9:57p, 6/15/18
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To olay devil's advocate, a question like that is not necessarily out of line depending on the context and manner it was asked. Knowing when one can resume certain activities is part of the deal after a trauma, surgery, injury, etc. Knowing when it's safe to have sex, and if seeking to have a child, when you can start trying again is a natural question after a miscarriage. I could very much see it being asked in a way that's an attempt to comfort your partner (ie you are going to be physically ok, can still have kids, and can try again soon).

But it sounds good to bring it up and make someone look like a despicable ahole. Down the road after the breakup, the rewind conveniently morphs into "this guy just wanted to know how soon he could **** me again"
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In reply to SeattleAgJr • 10:10p, 6/15/18
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Why does it matter if it was physical abuse or mental abuse? We're not talking about the law here. If what Dykstra says is true - and it very much sounds like it is if she's willing to back it up proof, not to mention the plethora of people chiming in and essentially corroborating her characterization - then Hardwick deserves every bit of what's coming to him.

I totally get the concern that certain women could be making sh*t up or are potentially looking to settle some kind of relationship score, but we really haven't seen much of that so far. It simply hasn't been that hard to suss the truth from lies, the abuse from grudges. Take James Franco or Asiz Ansari, for instance - both of those guys faced similar claims (to a far lesser degree) and both are going to be fine because it was apparent to almost everyone that their accusers were either looking for their 15 minutes or, frankly, didn't quite endure anything close to what these other women went through.

I guess I just don't understand the distinctation you're trying to make, or why physical abuse is any different than this type of the f*cked up mental abuse not when it comes to the law, but common human decency and the court of public opinion.
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10:12p, 6/15/18
I consider mental abuse drastically different than physical because mental/verbal abuse can absolutely be subjective and reinterpreted.

Physical abuse, not so much.

And one is also illegal pretty much everywhere, the other not so much.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 10:12p, 6/15/18
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Dude, come on. Not when it's reportedly the very first question out of his mouth. You're bending over backwards here and it's not a good look.
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In reply to SeattleAgJr • 10:16p, 6/15/18
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Setting the type of rules he set in their relationship is objectively wrong. There's nothing subjective about it.

Sure, whether the accusations are true or not is still up for debate, but again, just in the way the story is told, along with the number of people corroborating his antics, I just don't see why you'd immediately jump to "This isn't fair!" in this particular situation.
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:18p, 6/15/18
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Like i said, it depends on the context and manner.

Fwiw, I have nothing at stake when it comes to Hardwick. Not a fan, I don't follow his stuff at all, and those Talking ____ shows are mind-numbingly stupid.

And **** if I care how you think i look. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the phrase "to play devil's advocate". Not a good look for someone in your field to not understand it.
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:25p, 6/15/18
Are these corroborating people tied to the accuser?

Maybe he is a grade A *******. I just ****ing hate social media mobs especially when there is little more than a narrative to go by. Post the evidence if you have it or leave it be.
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In reply to Orlando Ayala Cant Read • 10:33p, 6/15/18
Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:
Hasn't Hardwick long been considered one of Hollywoods "Nice Guys"?

Coulda sworn I've read a few times right here on these boards he's really well liked in Hollywood and seen as a pretty decent guy.


One of the e-board Hollywood residents praised him
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10:34p, 6/15/18
I look forward to reading about charges being filed against Hardwick by the alleged victim.
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In reply to 1 • 10:37p, 6/15/18
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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:
Hasn't Hardwick long been considered one of Hollywoods "Nice Guys"?

Coulda sworn I've read a few times right here on these boards he's really well liked in Hollywood and seen as a pretty decent guy.


One of the e-board Hollywood residents praised him


Yes. He and several of his ilk including social justice warrior nerd King Wil Wheaton, have long been proponents of automatically crucifying anybody called out for #metoo or gamergate or any of that crap. Regardless of whether there was any proof or not. They literally would put out hashtags demanding that people automatically believe the women, even with no proof.

So bit of irony for him being crucified by the same process.
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10:46p, 6/15/18
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I dunno man. If he set those rules that early, it's only out of bounds of he compelled her to follow them. Sure, they're ridiculous, but there are lots of agreements couples make that I personally find ridiculous. At some point, a person has to object and walk, right? I mean, she didn't work for him at that point. It wasn't like, "this is the rule and if you don't like it then you're fired."

Now, how he allegedly behaved later was boorish at best, and likely terribly abusive. How he behaves trying to blacklist her after the fact is despicable, and he deserves everything that's coming his way. But the rules early on don't chart for me.
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In reply to 1 • 10:58p, 6/15/18
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1 said:
Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:
Hasn't Hardwick long been considered one of Hollywoods "Nice Guys"?

Coulda sworn I've read a few times right here on these boards he's really well liked in Hollywood and seen as a pretty decent guy.


One of the e-board Hollywood residents praised him


The jock-sniffers don't actually know 1% of what they want us to think they know.

Maybe he was a dick. Maybe she's a vindictive nut. Maybe both. But so far I'm seeing stuff that isn't a criminal and being delivered via a mob with no method to fairly determine what is true and what is not.
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In reply to MW03 • 11:02p, 6/15/18
MW03 said:
I dunno man. If he set those rules that early, it's only out of bounds of he compelled her to follow them. Sure, they're ridiculous, but there are lots of agreements couples make that I personally find ridiculous. At some point, a person has to object and walk, right? I mean, she didn't work for him at that point. It wasn't like, "this is the rule and if you don't like it then you're fired."

Now, how he allegedly behaved later was boorish at best, and likely terribly abusive. How he behaves trying to blacklist her after the fact is despicable, and he deserves everything that's coming his way. But the rules early on don't chart for me.

This is how I see it. She admitted that before they even started dating he had a problem with her drinking and much of the rest happened a a couple weeks in. He sounds like a terrible human being and I have no issues with him getting everything coming to him but I doubt you develop abused victim mentality in two weeks.
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11:15p, 6/15/18
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And the he said, she said begins...

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11:17p, 6/15/18
It is too late for him. With the way this process plays out in public forums, his career is pretty much over regardless of the truth of the matter.
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11:32p, 6/15/18
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Wait, so her account wasn't "carefully crafted"? Why the editorializing?
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In reply to Diggity • 11:38p, 6/15/18
Diggity said:

Wait, so her account wasn't "carefully crafted"? Why the editorializing?
he has to play the victim card as well. not sure taking her words and providing THAT kind of context is going to help him in the public eye.
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11:41p, 6/15/18
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