I think the issue here is that some posters think you are happy things went bad and you want the Rockets to suck from the way you sometimes come across. So instead of seeing your posts as discussion they see them as gloating.
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I want the Rockets to be third in the West after the Spurs and Pellies.
Obviously if they had nailed it this summer and had a lineup of DHo/Bosh/CP/Harden/Bev, everyone else was in trouble. I'm glad that didn't work out, but I wanted the Rockets to take a step forward, just not as far as they would have with Bosh.
I also think it is the most interesting storyline right now because it was such an unconventional move, and I believe the reason it is unconventional is the reason it didn't work out.
Obviously if they had nailed it this summer and had a lineup of DHo/Bosh/CP/Harden/Bev, everyone else was in trouble. I'm glad that didn't work out, but I wanted the Rockets to take a step forward, just not as far as they would have with Bosh.
I also think it is the most interesting storyline right now because it was such an unconventional move, and I believe the reason it is unconventional is the reason it didn't work out.
Of course GS is happy the moves backfired, just like I am happy they did. That's how sports work. We are fans of a division opponent. That doesn't mean we aren't fascinated about how everything has gone down.
I give GS a pass because I know he is somewhat of a rocket fan. But for rivals to come on threads like these and go on and on about how bad they think the other team sucks and how stupid they think their management is is akin to walking up to a group of fans at a bar who are discussing their favorite team and forcing yourself into the conversation to do nothing but badmouth the team and try to drive the conversation.
If you want to be a dick and try to gloat, make it pithy, laugh and be on your way. Otherwise if you want to join in the conversation with a group of opposing fans at least have the courtesy to empathize somewhat with them when you try to give your opinion on what the team should have done.
Standing there and simply trying to convince the fans that their team sucks as much as your biased opinion thinks they do is nothing but *****y.
[This message has been edited by texaggie7nine (edited 7/14/2014 11:55p).]
If you want to be a dick and try to gloat, make it pithy, laugh and be on your way. Otherwise if you want to join in the conversation with a group of opposing fans at least have the courtesy to empathize somewhat with them when you try to give your opinion on what the team should have done.
Standing there and simply trying to convince the fans that their team sucks as much as your biased opinion thinks they do is nothing but *****y.
[This message has been edited by texaggie7nine (edited 7/14/2014 11:55p).]
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/new-maverick-chandler-parsons-takes-offense-to-how-rockets-treated-him-during-free-agency-030411610.html
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LAS VEGAS – Chandler Parsons was "offended" when the Houston Rockets went searching in free agency for a third star in LeBron James, Chris Bosh or Carmelo Anthony instead of sticking with him. Now the former Rockets forward is ecstatic to be a third star with the Dallas Mavericks, and a lot richer, too.
"Honestly, I was offended by the whole process," Parsons told Yahoo Sports on Monday in a phone interview. "They publicly said that they were going out looking for a third star when I thought they had one right in front of them. I guess that's just how they viewed me as a player. I don't think I've scratched the surface of where I can be as a player and I think I'm ready for that role.
"You can't knock them for always trying to get better. [Houston general manager] Daryl Morey is very aggressive, is a genius, a great GM and I have nothing but respect for those guys. And they are looking to make their team better. That's what they were doing. I just thought I could be that guy that could do that."
Parsons averaged 16.6 points, 5.5 rebounds and four assists with the Rockets last season as the third scorer behind James Harden and Dwight Howard. Quietly, Parsons was hoping for a bigger role offensively. The Rockets gave Parsons an opportunity to explore free agency as a restricted free agent by opting out of the final year of his deal that would've paid him $964,750.
The Rockets went after marquee players like James, Anthony, and Bosh when free agency began. While the Mavericks were interested in Anthony, too, they quickly convinced Parsons to agree to a three-year, $46 million offer sheet with a third-year player option and a 15 percent trade kicker, a source said. Parsons signed the offer sheet on the first day free agents were able to on July 10 in his hometown of Orlando with Mavericks owner Mark Cuban by his side.
"They really showed how much they cared for me," Parsons said. "They didn't want me to wait for Bosh. They didn't want me to wait for 'Melo. They came forward first."
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.Chandler Parsons (R) says he looks forward to teaming up with Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki. (USA TODAY Sports)
Chandler Parsons (R) says he looks forward to teaming up with Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki. (USA TODAY Sports)
While the Rockets had the option to match, Cuban was confident in the Mavs' maneuver.
"We knew based on the numbers they were going to have to make some tough choices," Cuban said before the Mavericks' summer league game on Monday.
James left the Miami Heat to return to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Anthony and Bosh stayed with the Knicks and Heat respectively. The Rockets, through a sign-and-trade deal, agreed to terms with free-agent small forward Trevor Ariza for three years and $32 million. And on Sunday, the Rockets decided that Parsons' contract was too expensive and didn't match.
"Throughout the whole process they pretty much told me they were going to match everything," Parsons said. "I understand it's a business. I understand they had to do what they thought was best for their organization. It definitely caught me off-guard a little bit."
Parsons said he is close with Cuban, loves Dallas and added that he believes he can compete with a championship in Dallas with Dirk Nowitzki and Monta Ellis.
"Dallas is the perfect match to where I am in my career," Parsons said. "It's where I can take that next step. They have a great organization. Mark is the best owner in all of sports. I get a chance to play with Dirk for however much longer he has. It will be unbelievable to learn and grown from him and the guys they have.
"We got a chance to win. Coach [Rick] Carlisle is the best coach in the NBA. It's the perfect situation for me. I'm ready for more leadership. I'm ready for a bigger role. They came at me with a high max offer and viewed me as a franchise player. That's what I wanted."
Parsons played a strong role in convincing Howard to sign as a free agent with the Rockets last summer. They could be free agents in 2016. And if things go well in Dallas, don't be surprised if Parsons tries to convince Howard to join him.
"I'm the best recruiter in the NBA," Parsons said. "Whatever Mark and the Mavericks need, they got me to do that."
He was viewed as one of the NBA's most underpaid players, but under his new deal he will earn a raise of over $14 million next season. Parsons is scheduled to be in Dallas on Tuesday to take a physical and sign paperwork.
Despite feeling slighted by the Rockets, Parsons said he has "nothing but respect" for his former club after playing his first three NBA seasons in Houston. He also said he will remain close with his ex-teammates, Houston coach Kevin McHale and assistant coach J.B. Bickerstaff.
"They gave me my first opportunity,” Parsons said. "They believed in me. They drafted me. I have nothing but love and respect for them. They will have a special place in my heart. The fans were unbelievable and I hope they have no hard feelings. I had to do what is best for my career. "
79 nailed it
Chandler gets his wish, now let's see if he produces.
It's nbd. Just a message board. The critics have been waiting in the weeds for 2+ years for a Morey blockbuster trade to not go through. They've been waiting a long time so you've seen their pent up colon angst on full display the last 2 days. They talk in absolutes for negatives for the Rockets and hypotheticals for the positives by coding it under the guise of "discussion."
I'm not trying to convince anyone that the Rocket sucks. I don't think they do suck. They still have two All-NBA players, and that should be enough to get them to the playoffs every year. If you want empathy, call your mom. Does it suck that the Rockets struck out? Yeah, without a doubt. Am I doing nothing but badmouthing the team? Absolutely not. But too many will just ignore what is said because of who said it. Others will sit down and have a real discussion.
Like everyone else, I think Morey is a very smart GM and I think 90% of the NBA fans would trade their GM for him (and after Doc Rivers and Jason Kidd getting traded, I wonder if you could trade for a GM.) But I think he overthought the Parsons situation and played it stupidly. There's nothing wrong with saying that. He's also made a lot of smart moves and did retool the Rockets from Yao's team to Harden's team, while keeping them competitive. That's really hard to do, especially because Houston isn't the most premier free agent destination like Miami, LA, Chicago or New York.
Like everyone else, I think Morey is a very smart GM and I think 90% of the NBA fans would trade their GM for him (and after Doc Rivers and Jason Kidd getting traded, I wonder if you could trade for a GM.) But I think he overthought the Parsons situation and played it stupidly. There's nothing wrong with saying that. He's also made a lot of smart moves and did retool the Rockets from Yao's team to Harden's team, while keeping them competitive. That's really hard to do, especially because Houston isn't the most premier free agent destination like Miami, LA, Chicago or New York.
**** Parsons
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I think this is a pretty good comparison/assessment. Morey has done a lot of great things that leave you wondering how he did it. And unfortunately he's also had his share of less than impressive moments like this offseason. That's just the way with Morey.
Daryl reminds me a lot of Phil Mickelson. He's going to go for the green in 2 from the pine straw on a Par 5 at Augusta on Sunday afternoon. To hell with laying up. Sometimes the ball will end up in the creek. Other times it will land 5 feet from the pin. But it's fun to watch either way
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The best way to understand Daryl Morey is to think of Chris Paul. You can understand why his methods aren’t perfect and why he’s not quite what he’s hyped up to be, but even if you want to criticize him when things break down, it’s important to be real about all this. Ninety percent of NBA fans would kill to have him running their team.
I think this is a pretty good comparison/assessment. Morey has done a lot of great things that leave you wondering how he did it. And unfortunately he's also had his share of less than impressive moments like this offseason. That's just the way with Morey.
Daryl reminds me a lot of Phil Mickelson. He's going to go for the green in 2 from the pine straw on a Par 5 at Augusta on Sunday afternoon. To hell with laying up. Sometimes the ball will end up in the creek. Other times it will land 5 feet from the pin. But it's fun to watch either way
Parsons is offended Morey tried to make the team better. He sounds bitter.
The man has balls.
I'd have a hard time feeling too offended if someone's insult netted me 20 million extra dollars.
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[This message has been edited by Ulrich (edited 7/15/2014 12:20a).]
They also insulted his best buddy, which he doesn't mention.
Sounds like Parsons needs to call his mom.
IMO they should have not put Parsons up there and he wouldn't have gotten max money like he did with the Mavs next season. Houston could probably have signed him to $10-12 million instead of the $15 he got this year. Cuban had to make the contract more than he was worth so Morey would be forced to let him walk.
I really do think he would have stayed next year even as an unrestricted free agent.
I really do think he would have stayed next year even as an unrestricted free agent.
I'm still a Morey fan. Did he make a mistake? Yeah. Can he right his wrong? Absolutely. It will be hard, but if there is a gm that I trust to do it, it's Dork Elvis.
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I want the Rockets to be third in the West after the Spurs and Pellies.
Haha... gotta love it when a guy spends more time than anyone else on a message board for the better part of the week ****ting on moves then tries to convince all 'hey I'm on ya'll's side!' by telling all they'd like that team to finish 3rd in their division every year if he had his way.
Rockets fans shouldn't be upset with morey regarding parsons, he played everything right when you remember he's trying to build a championship team, not a team that is destined to never get past 2nd round.
What he deserves to be criticized on completely is why the hell is McHale still the coach? That's what doesn't compute. Even Spoelstra who I don't think is a great coach is better than McHale. Morey's roster moves make sense in terms of trying to add more talent, but keeping McHale doesn't. That's one I don't get, and rockets fans should be killing morey for that, if they aren't already.
What he deserves to be criticized on completely is why the hell is McHale still the coach? That's what doesn't compute. Even Spoelstra who I don't think is a great coach is better than McHale. Morey's roster moves make sense in terms of trying to add more talent, but keeping McHale doesn't. That's one I don't get, and rockets fans should be killing morey for that, if they aren't already.
I don't think people would be giving y'all (Rockets fans) as hard of a time if more of you were willing to admit that this offseason backfired on Morey, at least in the short-term.
On the positive side, he got rid of their terrible contracts, and kudos to him for that.
But in the end, your team lost its 3rd best player and a total of 3 rotation players and replaced all that with Ariza. That's going to make this team worse in the short-term. Barring disaster for other teams, the Rockets aren't finishing in the top 4 this year.
The move may make them better somewhere down the road, but we haven't reached that point yet and y'all have no real idea how they can actually get there. So stop getting so defensive when other teams' fans are just pointing out the obvious (with even some of your own fans agreeing) but you want your head to stay buried in the sand.
[This message has been edited by aggie_2001_2005 (edited 7/15/2014 7:58a).]
On the positive side, he got rid of their terrible contracts, and kudos to him for that.
But in the end, your team lost its 3rd best player and a total of 3 rotation players and replaced all that with Ariza. That's going to make this team worse in the short-term. Barring disaster for other teams, the Rockets aren't finishing in the top 4 this year.
The move may make them better somewhere down the road, but we haven't reached that point yet and y'all have no real idea how they can actually get there. So stop getting so defensive when other teams' fans are just pointing out the obvious (with even some of your own fans agreeing) but you want your head to stay buried in the sand.
[This message has been edited by aggie_2001_2005 (edited 7/15/2014 7:58a).]
yep, to announce so quickly that mchale is returning was a real head scratcher. even if they ultimately chose to bring him back, after the way he got outcoached in the playoffs, how do you not at least take a week or two and consider other options?
My whole problem with the rockets model is they are trying to build a team with the heat model without being the attraction that the heat are to free agents and are missing one key component.
Morey keeps talking about aquiring a third superstar, but that is amazingly difficult to do via free agency. Every team that has successfully acqured three superstars has at least one home grown star that serves a their core. The rockets just let theirs walk through the door a year early.
Now I am not saying Parsons was definitely that star but he had potential to grow into that.
Name me one team that has won a title without a home grown star?
Spurs - Duncan, Manu, Parker, Leonard
Heat - Wade
Mavs - Dirk
Lakers - Kobe
Celtics - Pierce
Rockets - Hakeem
Bulls - Jordan, Pippen
Basically if houston is successful in winning a championship with a team built soley upon free agents then they will have accomplished something that no other team has ever done. That's a tall task according to the history of the NBA.
Morey keeps talking about aquiring a third superstar, but that is amazingly difficult to do via free agency. Every team that has successfully acqured three superstars has at least one home grown star that serves a their core. The rockets just let theirs walk through the door a year early.
Now I am not saying Parsons was definitely that star but he had potential to grow into that.
Name me one team that has won a title without a home grown star?
Spurs - Duncan, Manu, Parker, Leonard
Heat - Wade
Mavs - Dirk
Lakers - Kobe
Celtics - Pierce
Rockets - Hakeem
Bulls - Jordan, Pippen
Basically if houston is successful in winning a championship with a team built soley upon free agents then they will have accomplished something that no other team has ever done. That's a tall task according to the history of the NBA.
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Haha... gotta love it when a guy spends more time than anyone else on a message board for the better part of the week ****ting on moves then tries to convince all 'hey I'm on ya'll's side!' by telling all they'd like that team to finish 3rd in their division every year if he had his way.
What's wrong with that? I was born in New Orleans. Grew up in SA and have lived here for a decade.
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I want the Rockets to be third in the West after the Spurs and Pellies.
Haha... gotta love it when a guy spends more time than anyone else on a message board for the better part of the week ****ting on moves then tries to convince all 'hey I'm on ya'll's side!' by telling all they'd like that team to finish 3rd in their division every year if he had his way.
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He's also made a lot of smart moves and did retool the Rockets from Yao's team to Harden's team, while keeping them competitive.
People seem to forget this. Morey has done a great job. Staying competitive after the Yao/McGrady years ended up in the hospital was nothing short of a miracle, then wheeling and dealing and ending up with Harden.
Yes he took a huge gamble this offseason not picking up the option on Parsons and it blew up in his face, but obviously Parsons was extremely bitter about his contract so I'm not sure you wanted him around on that deal anyway.
The right move was to probably pick up the option and try to negotiate a new deal while courting Melo, Bosh, etc so that everybody ends up happy. But that's Morey, he was trying to make the team better and the way the team was constructed got a 1st round exit. But yes he made a mistake this offseason.
No way he's done though.
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But in the end, your team lost its 3rd best player and a total of 3 rotation players and replaced all that with Ariza.
It's cute that you think that Morey is done making moves
quote:well that's good, this offseason has been awful for our team diversity
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Name me one team that has won a title without a home grown star?
Spurs - Duncan, Manu, Parker, Leonard
Heat - Wade
Mavs - Dirk
Lakers - Kobe
Celtics - Pierce
Rockets - Hakeem
Bulls - Jordan, Pippen
Detroit?
Detroit drafted Tayshaun, Memo and Darko on the 04 team.
Prince was a top three player on that team and definitely a glue guy even if he wasn't quite a superstar (he actually could be considered a poor man's parsons). That team was largely void of stars and just a great defensive team with a solid coach.
The rockets are a hell of a long way from that model. I still think you can count them as a team with a home grown players being one of its stars.
The rockets are a hell of a long way from that model. I still think you can count them as a team with a home grown players being one of its stars.
Prince was definitely important to that team, but he was pretty clearly the #5 player.
Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, CHauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton were all more important.
Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, CHauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton were all more important.
I think its debatable if Rip and Wallace were more important, but I have no problem with Prince being considerd the fifth best. Prince defintely matched up against the best offensive player more often than not, so a team built for defense needs to give their defenders more credit. He guarded Kobe most that finals series if I remember correctly.
I still can't believe that Pistons team won. They beat a starting five of Kobe, Shaq, Malone, Payton and Fox. Sure Karl and Payon were old, but Kobe and Shaq were in their prime.
That was definitely the biggest outlier championship in modern NBA history. The Mavs run was close but the Mavs were more consistently good and had a bigger superstar.
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I still can't believe that Pistons team won. They beat a starting five of Kobe, Shaq, Malone, Payton and Fox. Sure Karl and Payon were old, but Kobe and Shaq were in their prime.
That was definitely the biggest outlier championship in modern NBA history. The Mavs run was close but the Mavs were more consistently good and had a bigger superstar.
[This message has been edited by GatorAg03 (edited 7/15/2014 9:04a).]
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"I'm the best recruiter in the NBA," Parsons said. "Whatever Mark and the Mavericks need, they got me to do that."
Haha. Whatever Chandler. Everyone knows what the real best recruiter is in the NBA. It's why you are on the Mavericks now.
MONEY.
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