******Rockets Offseason Roster Moves******* [Staff Warning on page 72]

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8:44p, 7/13/14
Ryan +1.

No defense off the bench, no offense off the bench and no depth at all.

Ariza still can't create for himself and can't create for others. He can spot up great from the top of the arc and the corners very well and is average or below average everywhere else on the court.
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8:51p, 7/13/14
No offense off the bench? Troy Daniels and cannan say hello and dmo
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Ryan34
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8:54p, 7/13/14
If we could steal Bledsoe from Phoenix, I think then we have improved our wing rotation. He's a strong two-way player and allows Beverley to come off the bench. Plus we have Daniels and Canaan entering their second NBA seasons.

But the problem is Phoenix has no reason to let him go. IMO you'd have to blow them away with a S&T offer, and we don't have nearly enough.
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Mr.Bond
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8:55p, 7/13/14
Phoenix has SIX PGs under contract
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9:01p, 7/13/14
What kind of cap space do they have now with parsons, Lin and asik now gone. I find it hard to beleive they are going to be a better team than last year when they lost in the first round unless a lot of current players make big improvements
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9:03p, 7/13/14
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Phoenix has SIX PGs under contract

And only one player on the roster who is even close to Bledsoe. They can't lose him for nothing.
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9:04p, 7/13/14
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Troy Daniels and cannan say hello and dmo


Daniels and Canaan have less than 150 career NBA points combined. That's just slightly more than I have.

Not exactly a proven bench tandem.

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9:15p, 7/13/14
There is the pick the Rockets got from New Orleans that could be used as a sweetener in a S&T for Bledsoe, but I don't see them (Rockets) going that route.

I'm going to withhold judgment until the dust settles on the offseason, but at some point the revolving door of assets for the future has to stop turning.
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9:20p, 7/13/14
I don't understand why Morey gets a pass from so many rockets fans on the parsons thing. I can understand him going after Bosh and trading Lin and Asik to enable that option but Bosh would have still been an option with Parsons in his rookie contract.

Not taking Parsons for dirt cheap for a year was completely idiotic. Every move the Rockets made or wished they had made this offseason would have still been available with Parsons playing out his last year.

The rockets basically gave away their third best player to a division and state rival. Morey should be on the hot seat for that move alone.
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9:22p, 7/13/14
You can't tell anything of real value from summer league stuff, but a triple double from Nick Johnson was good to see. He essentially needs to be a Parsons-like impact player (not the same build/skills, of course)...betting on the come, so to speak.
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9:22p, 7/13/14
It's been pretty common knowledge that Parsons has wanted his contract re-structured for awhile now. If we kept him at his $900K salary next season, there would have been almost 0 chance he came back to us. Morey didn't think he'd get $15 mil/year so he gambled to try to get Bosh or Melo. It didn't work. It looks bad, but we would have otherwise had a disgruntled Parsons next season anyways and would have lost him in free agency anyway. It was worth the gamble. It just didn't work
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9:25p, 7/13/14
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What Summit said
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9:26p, 7/13/14
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It's been pretty common knowledge that Parsons has wanted his contract re-structured for awhile now. If we kept him at his $900K salary next season, there would have been almost 0 chance he came back to us. Morey didn't think he'd get $15 mil/year so he gambled to try to get Bosh or Melo. It didn't work. It looks bad, but we would have otherwise had a disgruntled Parsons next season anyways and would have lost him in free agency anyway. It was worth the gamble. It just didn't work
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9:27p, 7/13/14
Letting Parsons go is a black eye.

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9:29p, 7/13/14
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Not taking Parsons for dirt cheap for a year was completely idiotic. Every move the Rockets made or wished they had made this offseason would have still been available with Parsons playing out his last year.


This I agree with...for all of the talk of Morey treating players like assets, this would have been a "treating a player like an asset" decision that would have benefitted the Rockets. He decided to let Parsons see what the market was, though, and Cuban paid the guy.

I do think, though, that Morey at least didn't compound one mistake with another by matching that offer. Whether Ariza is a good decision or not is another discussion, but once that was done, not signing Parsons for those $$$ was the right move, imo.
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9:29p, 7/13/14
If Morey didn't whiff on all the stars in the off season, he definitely has a head start on resigning Parsons next year.

Dallas probably signs Ariza or Deng and doesn't need Parsons.

I don't see parsons leaving a team that already has Harden+Howard+Bosh+Beverly, assuming Les Alexander was actually going to pay them all to keep them together.

Having Parsons on contract instead of under a ridiculously high offer from Cuban while the Rockets have a reputation for not being willing to pay the tax probably hurt them in negotiations.

Definitely not worth the gamble.
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9:32p, 7/13/14
" It looks bad, but we would have otherwise had a disgruntled Parsons next season"
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9:35p, 7/13/14
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It looks bad, but we would have otherwise had a disgruntled Parsons next season anyways and would have lost him in free agency anyway. It was worth the gamble. It just didn't work


The part of this I don't buy is that:

A. That he would have been disgruntled in any obvious way, shape, or form.... His career would be on the line in his first contract year. He'd play balls to the freaking wall. The rest of his financial life would be on the line. If he wants someone to pay him the next year, he would be the model teammate and player.

B. Similar to 1st point, why the hell would someone so concerned with their financial situation (and not super rich like some mega-stars) leave the team that can offer them significantly more MILLIONS of dollars to stay? That just doesn't make financial sense if you're him. His next contract will probably be the biggest of his life. No way he passes on the kind of cash Houston would have been able to give him, if he in fact went out and earned it.

I can see the point you're making about taking a chance now to lock him up long term at a lower rate. But the time constraints it put on them to move their bad contracts really put them in a bad spot to negotiate for other players. If this was their "going for broke" offseason, then putting Parsons on the RFA market was a rather dumb move, at best. It put them behind the 8 ball.

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9:36p, 7/13/14
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" It looks bad, but we would have otherwise had a disgruntled Parsons next season"


It looks bad because you gave away your third best player for a guy that plays the same position and isn't as good. And you are paying that guy 8x more than you would have paid your third best player. And your third best player would be in a contract year, so he would have been playing for a big payday. And your new player has a history of not playing hard after getting signed to a big contract, but working hard in contract years.

Indefensible move all around. Never should have let Parsons out of his contract.

The Rockets are a worse team than they were last year at this point because Morey completely screwed the pooch on free agency this year.
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Ryan34
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9:38p, 7/13/14
It isn't defensible at this point.
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9:51p, 7/13/14
As stated the rockets would have been able to offer Parsons the highest contract if they wanted to keep him next year.

The disgruntled thing is just a cop out. There are tons of good young players that are not happy with their first rookie contracts. He would be playing for money in his contract year on a top 6 team in the west. Even if he was disgruntled off the court he couldn't afford to let his on court performance suffer. Plus the CBA would be as much to blame for his complaints as the rockets. Plus what the genius Morey was trying to do was lock him in at a depressed value by making him a RFA. If that had worked then wouldn't his depressed value caused by Morey again made him disgruntled once he sees what others are getting as UFAs?

The bottom line is you never should pass on taking an all star caliber player for cheap even if you knew he would likely leave you next year.
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9:55p, 7/13/14
So now parsons is all star caliber?
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9:59p, 7/13/14
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Even the Clutchfans admins are admitting what a failure it was.


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10:02p, 7/13/14
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So now parsons is all star caliber?


Depends if you asked a Rockets fan 3 months ago or in one month.
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10:05p, 7/13/14
I will say this ariza bring much needed d to this team on the court and attitude. Chandler has regressed every year on the defensive side of the ball since his rookie season.
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10:06p, 7/13/14
Not now. But he has the potential to be at the 3. I don't think the Stretch 4 would have turned out well for him though.
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10:09p, 7/13/14
Please batum made him look foolish in the playoffs
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10:09p, 7/13/14
And trading Parsons for Ariza is not that big of a drop off.

The Mavs and Rockets probably tied for the 4th spot now in talent. I would give the Mavs the edge right now due to having Harris and Felton at the point.
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10:10p, 7/13/14
He's still young.
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10:16p, 7/13/14
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The Mavs and Rockets probably tied for the 4th spot now in talent. I would give the Mavs the edge right now due to having Harris and Felton at the point.


The Rockets now have nothing outside their 5 best players, and the Mavs win head to head at 3 of those 5 positions. Plus the Mavs have a bench still.

That doesn't even get into the coaching. If Houston can land in the top 5 this year, I will be impressed.
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10:18p, 7/13/14
Who do the mavs have coming off the bench? Oh and Felton sucks
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10:19p, 7/13/14
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And trading Parsons for Ariza is not that big of a drop off.

The Mavs and Rockets probably tied for the 4th spot now in talent. I would give the Mavs the edge right now due to having Harris and Felton at the point.



In front of who? I'd still give San Antonio, Okc, LAC, Portland and GS the edge right now
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10:21p, 7/13/14
Felton is horrible.
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