******Rockets Offseason Roster Moves******* [Staff Warning on page 72]

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concac
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And Hayes was only 6'6". Dorsey is on;y 6'8". You don't have to be 7'0" to play in the paint.


Just because you can play in the paint doesn't mean you can do it well.

And Dorsey fking sucks. Can't believe you used him as an example. That's why I know you're reaching.
Guitarsoup
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Trading chip for ANYTHING.

A 1mm Parsons in the last year is more valuable than no Parsons, is more valuable than 15mm/year Parsons and is more valuable than 8mm/year Ariza.

I don't see why this is so difficult.

Would a 5mm/year Parsons for the next 4 years be a better trade chip? Yeah, sure. Was that an option? No.


Teams trade for expiring contracts because they want to clear space soon. The Rockets have the ability to give cap space now.

So if a team wanted prospects and cap space, instead of paying a stiff 9mm for a year like Kwame Brown, they could just delete 9mm from their cap a year early, have the prospect of Parsons, draft picks and maybe a TJones or something. Plus, Houston would have the option of signing and trading Parsons next year. LeBron could have just signed with Miami, but it helped out Miami and Cleveland for him to be traded, so Cleveland got three firsts and two seconds for a player they were losing anyway. Houston could have gotten a lesser version of that if they had held on to Parsons for another year. Or at least had the opportunity for it.

That's a lot more enticing than having to overpay some player you don't want for the rest of the season. Because the Rockets are so far under the cap, they don't have to match salaries dollar for dollar. Just like Miami traded three first round picks and a trade exception for LeBron.

Cap space to absorb a contract is much more valuable than an ending contract. Unguaranteed contracts are much more valuable than ending contracts.

I don't get why this is so hard for you.
Farmer1906
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Deandre is 6'9 3/4" without shoes.
Guitarsoup
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Jeff Adrien is 6'5 1/4 without shoes.
concac
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Deandre is 6'9 3/4" without shoes.


He's also an athletic freak with long arms.

And nobody plays in the NBA without shoes so who cares what his height is barefoot.
Mr.Bond
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Johnny Football is 5'11 3/4'' without shoes
Bonfired
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Time to see what Bostjan Nachbar is up to...
lil99chris
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....Mike Miller only needs one shoe.

Guitarsoup
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What about Matt Maloney? I mean, if you are already paying him, he might as well take up a roster spot.
Houston Summit
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My Johnson is 19 i...

Nevermind
Bonfired
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What about Matt Maloney? I mean, if you are already paying him, he might as well take up a roster spot.


Expiring contract, I believe...will be a great trade asset.
lil99chris
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is Maloney a State Farm Agent?

[This message has been edited by lil99chris (edited 7/15/2014 1:30p).]
cdhaggie07
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Trading chip for ANYTHING.

Ah, well that's a totally different and irrelevant discussion then. The rockets were never going to trade parsons for anything, they were only going to trade him as apart of a package that returned an all-star caliber/ franchise-changing player. That's a unique set of circumstances. As I've demonstrated repeatedly, historically teams do not give guys up like that willingly for expiring contracts and draft picks. An article that explains this very well is here

An excerpt that back up what I'm saying:

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There’s a theory in some Rockets’ fan circles — one that I don’t agree with — that Parsons will ultimately be traded once he becomes too expensive. The logic is to either save Les Alexander a steep luxury tax bill or to eventually package Parsons in a deal for a third All-Star piece.

Even under that hypothetical, my guess is that Parsons is more desirable on a fair long-term contract than a short-term deal at $1 million. Teams won’t trade significant value for a young, Fegan-controlled player entering unrestricted free agency. The risk is too high. But if Parsons signs a reasonable deal (4 years, $30 million?), his market value could be comparable to Lowry’s or even better.

The bottom line is that with two All-Star talents in the fold, the price of retaining cap flexibility is likely too high. The Rockets are in contending mode and will do everything they can to immediately build a championship supporting cast around Harden and Howard. In the case of Parsons, that means finding the most team-friendly contract possible, which probably comes via restricted free agency.






Oh, and I've already spent way too much time in here discussing this topic and I'm sure everyone else on this thread is getting annoyed, so I apologize for that everyone, this is my last post regarding the decision and logic behind making parsons a RFA, promise.


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Farmer1906
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Just because you can play in the paint doesn't mean you can do it well.

And Dorsey fking sucks. Can't believe you used him as an example. That's why I know you're reaching.


When did I say Dorsey was good?

I said Adrein will be better than Smith from 2 years ago and play some behind Howard even thoguh he's not 7'0".
Guitarsoup
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The rockets were never going to trade parsons for anything


Dumb statement. If Morey has shown anything, it is that he will trade anyone on this team if it made the team more likely to win a championship.

I have no doubt that he would move Harden or Howard in a heart beat if it made the Rockets better. The only player he probably wouldn't have moved is Yao, and that was probably more due to Les Alexander.

And the bottom line is that you won't find any experts justifying the releasing of Parsons. Not matching? Sure. Don't fix a wrong with a wrong. But releasing him early was dumb, it took away a trade chip and it took away your third best player and most of all, it took away options.
Mr.Bond
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Dwyane Wade's deal with Heat worth $34 million over 2 years, includes 2015-16 player option, AP reports -via SportsCenter http://bit.ly/zzSpRY
Guitarsoup
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Soup Fail. I hang my head in shame.
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Knife_Party
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Wade still being overpaid to the tune of 17mil a year. Dude was straight trash last year and injury prone. Good walk off into the sunset deal for him.

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Don't apologize. Sometimes even the most elementary concepts escape some folks.


No problem at all, I am glad you understand now.
Mr.Bond
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Dirk is getting 3/25 wow what a steal
corleoneAg99
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Don't apologize. Sometimes even the most elementary concepts escape some folks.


No problem at all, I am glad you understand now.


Well to be honest it's not "now"...it was pretty clear early on that math isn't your favorite.
corleoneAg99
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Dirk is getting 3/25 wow what a steal


Daryl Morey agrees.
Mr.Bond
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Story going online now detailing how Rockets AND Lakers called w/max offers for Nowitzki, but he rebuffed all outside interest to stay w/DAL
Guitarsoup
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Dirk getting ownership percentages when he retires.
corleoneAg99
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Story going online now detailing how Rockets AND Lakers called w/max offers for Nowitzki, but he rebuffed all outside interest to stay w/DAL
cupcakesprinkles
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Well to be honest it's not "now"...it was pretty clear early on that math isn't your favorite


Let me know if I need to continue to type slower to assist with your reading comprehension. I always try to help my fellow Aggies out.
corleoneAg99
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[Comments removed---Texags Staff]

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Ryan34
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We're in trouble if Adrien sees the court.
aggie_2001_2005
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Is Morey done making moves yet? The rest of us are still wondering when we need to start our applause.
Frok
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Is Morey done making moves yet? The rest of us are still wondering when we need to start our applause.


When Kevin Love and Kevin Durant both become Houston Rockets over the next couple years.
Houston Summit
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Is Morey done making moves yet? The rest of us are still wondering when we need to start our applause.

I told you I would let you know when he is done. Have some gosh damn patience
Guitarsoup
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Stephen A said that his sources say that Durant is only interested in leaving OKC for Washington. Presumably because he hates not being safe and winning and he can lose games and fear for his life constantly all with one team.
jackie childs
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Stephen A said that his sources say that Durant is only interested in leaving OKC for Washington. Presumably because he hates not being safe and winning and he can lose games and fear for his life constantly all with one team.
reminds me of the old SNL joke...the washington bullets are contemplating a name change to rid itself of the violent connotations of the name. they'll now be known as just the bullets.
cupcakesprinkles
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Is there anyway the Rockets could get Rondo?
 
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