******Rockets Offseason Roster Moves******* [Staff Warning on page 72]

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TajMaballer
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If you put aside the original decision to not to exercise the team option on Parsons (Morey took a calculated gamble and lost), I think the Rockets came out ahead of the Mavs in terms of Ariza for $8MM vs Parsons for $15MM.

IMO, Ariza is a better fit with Harden on the wing. He can guard the other team's best player. He's obviously not as skilled offensively, but he's no slouch either. And he's half the price.

Glad the Rockets can still have financial flexibility moving forward. I still think Rondo would be a great fit for this team (maybe a better fit than Bosh in a PG rich western conference).


This is exactly where I'm at.. Rondo would be great in the pick and roll with Howard. I'm excited to see how this season plays out now!
jeffdjohnson
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If Parson's "ideal value" right now is 10M then couldn't the Rockets have just kept him for 1M and paid him a 13M / 3 yr contract as an UFA next year. That would "average out" to 10M per year / 4 years. The salary cap will be going up anyways to compensate for any "overpayment". I imagine that the only reason Parsons got 15M / 3 years is because he was a RFA. I wonder if teams will approach allowing their players to be RFA's differently in the future.
cupcakesprinkles
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This is exactly where I'm at.. Rondo would be great in the pick and roll with Howard. I'm excited to see how this season plays out now!


Haven't you listened to all of the Spurs fans on this Rockets thread? They have told us many times that the Rockets are not making anymore trades and that the team we have now is what we are going in with for next season. All hope is lost.
Guitarsoup
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If Parson's "ideal value" right now is 10M then couldn't the Rockets have just kept him for 1M and paid him a 13M / 3 yr contract as an UFA next year. That would "average out" to 10M per year / 4 years. The salary cap will be going up anyways to compensate for any "overpayment". I imagine that the only reason Parsons got 15M / 3 years is because he was a RFA. I wonder if teams will approach allowing their players to be RFA's differently in the future.


Only if he accepted that much.

But with James, Anthony, Deng, Ariza, etc signing contracts this year, the market might be smaller for SFs next year.
Mr.Bond
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http://m.sports790.com/onair/the-proper-gentlemen-of-sports-52356/what-would-the-nba-look-like-if-every-star-went-home-like-lebron-did-12560705/


Cool map, if all players went home like LeBron
Ulrich
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The West is also rich in power forwards. 7 of the top 8 and 15 of the top 20 in PER are in the West. Rondo would be a nice fit as a guy who can defend and save a lot of Harden's energy as the primary ball handler on offense, but Bosh would have been an incredible fit as well. Which is ultimately better for the franchise will depend a lot on the value of Rondo's next contract. I've really got no sense of the way NBA GMs value players because it seems like half the contracts are surprisingly reasonable and the other half are stupid expensive.
Guitarsoup
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Jeff Foster and Bo outlaw would be unstoppable in San Antonio.
Ulrich
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But with James, Anthony, Deng, Ariza, etc signing contracts this year, the market might be smaller for SFs next year.

There's no James or Anthony next year, but there are a number of small forwards at the level of Deng and Ariza hitting the market next season.
Ulrich
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Pretty decent set of PGs from North Carolina.
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Houston Summit
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Cool map, if all players went home like LeBron


Houston:

Mr.Bond
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Lmaooooo yea Houstons is bad.
Mr.Bond
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But at least we would have a team *cough* San Antonio *cough* even Seattle has one
Guitarsoup
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Najera, Shaq, Wesley Matthews, Jeff Foster, Bo Outlaw.

That is if you include guys that played hs ball in sa. Najera came to cornerstone when he was in 8th grade. Shaq only played his senior or junior and senior years at Cole.
TREX01
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Anybody who thinks Ariza is a better fit for this team is a ****king lunatic. Parsons was the heartbeat of that team the last two years and really helped to open things up for Harden. Sure he wasn't very good on D but what Ariza brings in D he more than gives back in terms of his very limited offensive game. The Rockets are a 40-45 win team right now and that aint getting it done.

Of course with Dallas throwing stupid money at Parsons the Rockets hand was forced and they did the right thing by backing away. But you just can't even try to argue that Ariza is a better fit than Parsons. Ariza has had 2 decent years in his ten year career. Parsons last 2 of his first three were head and shoulders better than anything Ariza has done on a basketball court since high school. Add in Ariza's lack of will or heart or whatever you want to call it and pair it with Hardens lack of determination and you have a powder keg ready to explode.
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Lmaooooo yea Houstons is bad.


See, Perkins is out of position...he should be running the point.
Mr.Bond
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Najera, Shaq, Wesley Matthews, Jeff Foster, Bo Outlaw.

That is if you include guys that played hs ball in sa. Najera came to cornerstone when he was in 8th grade. Shaq only played his senior or junior and senior years at Cole.




Houston would be good as well if we are talking historically. But we aren't so haha San Antonio sucks
Bonfired
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Sounds like the Rockets are signing Troy Daniels to a two-year deal.
Guitarsoup
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Najera, Shaq, Wesley Matthews, Jeff Foster, Bo Outlaw.

That is if you include guys that played hs ball in sa. Najera came to cornerstone when he was in 8th grade. Shaq only played his senior or junior and senior years at Cole.




Houston would be good as well if we are talking historically. But we aren't so haha San Antonio sucks


I would play the 14 versions of those guys.
jackie childs
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can't say i've read every post today, but is anybody really saying ariza is better than parsons? or are they just saying that the downgrade isn't so much that it makes sense to pay nearly twice as much for parsons?
Guitarsoup
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Most agree it was too much for Parsons. Some think it wasn't really a downgrade to drop Linsik and Parsons for Ariza.
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Pau Gasol trade. A few no-names, euro contract, draft picks and ending contract.

Milwaukee traded Ray Allen for Gary Payton's expiring contract as well as Desmond Mason's expiring contract.

Seattle traded Ray Allen for the #5 pick and cap filler.

You're helping me make my point. In the gasol trade, kwame's expiring contract was valued because it was $9.1M, not <$1M. In addition they got crittenton, a 1st round rookie with 3 more years before RFA, and Marc gasol who they thought could develop who also had 3 years before RFA.

Desmond mason was an upcoming RFA, he was not an expiring contract.

When Seattle traded Allen, the centerpiece was green, a top 5 pick who still had 4 years before RFA. Teams do not give up all-star caliber players in their primes for 3 expirings and a couple of draft picks, they just don't.

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But the bottom line is that keeping him for next year keeps you from having to fill that position this year, gives you max space this year and next year and gives you the option to try to sign and trade him next year.

Rockets still have $8.3M trade exception and $5.3M MLE to fill needs.

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He was much more valuable to be on his cheap contract and kept around for next year. Morey limited his options and put himself on the defensive.

Not really. Like I said, his ultra cheap expiring contract decreased his trade value. And making him RFA didn't prevent them from being able to bring in max free agent. So from that standpoint, it doesn't matter if it's parsons at $965k or ariza at $8M, your team's ceiling and potential haven't changed significantly.

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No, but it cost them cap space next year with the Ariza deal.

Not really. Only a difference of $6.4M (difference between what parsons cap hold would have been and ariza's $8.2M salary). That is more than offset by an $8.3M trade exception they possess.
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So Houston no longer has max cap space next year, but they would have if they had kept Parsons.

Plus, they could have used their cap space to fill needs rather than replace Parsons this year. Instead, they replaced Parsons with a player that isn't as good as Parsons and pretty much nothing else so far two weeks into free agency.

Having max space next year isn't going to do anything for the rockets, there will be no max-worthy players who will legitimately consider houston. Love, if he doesn't get traded to Cleveland, will go to Cali or NY, Celtics, or bulls if he leaves Minny. Aldridge is going to re-up with Portland, he wants his 5 year max deal. There isn't anyone else whose going to be worth $18-$20M annually to go after.

As for filling needs for this year, they have nearly $14M worth of exceptions to use.


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You showed two trades. But the Rockets lost out on the option of signing and trading Parsons and they regressed as a team by using cap space to fill Parson's position.

Time will tell if they've regressed. But as I explained earlier, the would-be $7.6M difference between ariza's salary this year and parsons $965k option is offset by the trade exception, plus the full mid level on top of that, so it hasn't cost them at all in terms of still being able to fill needs.
PascalsWager
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Looking at the deeper Ariza numbers, it looks like his efficiency and winshares/48 increase when his usage rate goes down. That's good news.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arizatr01.html

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PascalsWager
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DP

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CFTXAG10
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Rockets are signing Troy Daniels to a two-year deal.




Farmer1906
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@Jonathan_Feigen: Can confirm @ESPNSteinLine Rockets have talked with Mike Miller. Also have pursued veteran Ray Allen. Both considered (fittingly) longshots.
Mr.Bond
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I'll be SHOCKED if Miller goes anywhere but the shores of Lake Erie
MosesHallRAB04
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yeah I fully expect Miller to go to Cle to play with Bron. But he's a shooter the Rockets could definitely find a spot for and he fits the offensive philosophy.
Guitarsoup
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http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-best-way-to-understand-daryl-morey/

Grantland article on Morey.

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concac
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GS, we get it. Morey sucks and overplayed his hand.

You can stop trying to prove how smart you are about basketball matters. We know that about you already.

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Texaggie7nine
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It's pretty obvious that GS is a Rocket fan. How can you sit on the sideline for all the games he has and not be.
Guitarsoup
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I thought the article was pro-Morey as well.

RealTalk, you should actually read it, rather than just attack me.

Or if you actually want to discuss basketball on a basketball discussion board, I'm up for that, too.
concac
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I gave you a compliment although a backhanded one. You do know a lot about basketball. But you come off as a know-it-all.

I think everybody knows your stance about Morey and his moves backfiring on him this off-season.

Time to fking move on....
Guitarsoup
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I like Morey a lot and agree with the Rockets fans on here that matching Parsons would have not been a good move.

I really like how Morey interacts with fans and is semi-open in interviews.

If you want to move on, bring up something else worth talking about.
 
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