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im hoping its an acog or an eotech

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Dream on. At best, it's a BUIS. But like AGN said, you'll probably get a shirt or something.

AA released their after market 24" 6.5Grendel barels for $320 with matched bolt for anyone that wants to build a 1000m gun.

im actually guessing extra mag, who knows, maybe they will lose that too

New scope and mount. Burris XTR 1-4x and LaRue Tactical LT-104:

i am about to order a kit from RRA and/or DPMS.

is there a place in the D/FW area where i can lay my hands on several types (carry handle, no carry handle, flat top, 16, 18, 20 inch, etc...)?

i am looking to pick one up with in the next few weeks but wanted to narrow my choices down.

thanks for any help.

Ray's Sporting Goods, Cabela's and Schramm's new Place called SAW inc(HWY 80 and collins) all have lots of ar's....

I will be hitting up SAW on Saturday and will provide an update on what he has in stock.

Gun shows would be the best:
Mequite Rodeo June 28-29, 2008
Will Roger Juky 12-13
Big Town July 26 & 27 2008
Market Hall September 20-21

deatsman,

thanks.

i am having a hard time locating the SAW Inc place

have an address?

Nope, its new.

1/4 mile south of 80 on Collins on the east side of Collins..

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=8&t=313475

Just an announcement...Team Sniper Match in Waco at Tiger Valley.

http://www.tigervalley.com/webcalendar/view_entry.php?id=205&date=20080921

Toooo much fun!

PP

three questions

1) what do you guys think of the short quad rail gas block?



i am thinking about getting this as to mount a front iron sight. is it worth it if i would like the option to remove the front sight or if i want a back up iron sight should i just mount it on a quad rail?

2) what is the biggest difference between mid-length and tactical length if both still have the 16" barrel? i know it is the difference is the shorter gas return tube (technical term?), but what are the pro/con of each? easier to clean? only weight difference?

3) bud's is having a sale on s&w base rifle
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/763/products_id/53496
do they manufacture all their parts to mil spec or do they have propriatary parts? the reason is that with the option i am looking at, it might be cheaper to get the above then start with RRAs or DPMSs equivilant. plus they are running a rebate.
anyone have problems or issues with the s&w's?

thanks guys(and gals).

(edited, spelling)

[This message has been edited by 35chililights (edited 6/23/2008 8:05a).]

My general opinion is that S&W rifles are overpriced...but that link you posted is about as good a price on a new AR that you are going to find... They build with the same parts everyone else does...I dont know who they get their barrels from though.

That gas block has the issue of being heavy...on a carbine you want to stay as light as possible. If you already have a railed gas block (edit: I meant to type Railed Handguard!!!...sorry!) I would mount on that instead of on a gas block.

PP

[This message has been edited by Puryear Playboy (edited 6/23/2008 8:44a).]

[This message has been edited by Puryear Playboy (edited 6/23/2008 6:48p).]

PuryearPlayboy:

first thanks for the quick response.

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If you already have a railed gas block I would mount on that instead of on a gas block.

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i dont think i understand what you are trying to say here. i am pretty new at this.

i totally agree with you on the prices of the s&w's. i just wanted to make sure that they didnt make receivers or uppers or whatever, that if i did purchase from them that i would find myself not being able to modify it like other manufactures. i didnt even consider them as a contender for my first rifle, until i saw that price on bud's. i did handle a varmint rifle of theirs at cabela's the other day. it was a sweet rifle but the forestock and gas block looked like you couldnt change it if you wanted to. now i realize that if you are buying a varmint rifle you are not really buying it to upgrade and accessorize much more then optics. but it did raise the above question in my mind about their other rifles.

also, what is the biggest difference in the mid/tactical lengths?

The S&W gun you posetd has a top railed gas block already.

Just mount the sight to that instead of trying to replace it.

35, I'm certainly no AR expert but I had a friend who purchased a S&W AR and he returned it because he found out after buying it that S&W's warranty wasn't as good as most other manufactures. I believe they only offer a 1 year warranty. May not be important to you but I thought I'd pass it along.

deatsman, i saw that it had the railed gas block. i just am not sure i am going to go with S&W.

wildcat, thanks for the info.

i guess that raises the question: how many people have to use their manufacture's warranty?

DPMS is three years.
Bushy is one year.
RRA has a limited lifetime.
Colt is a lifetime.

Kinda personal choice.
I fix all my own stuff and never have had a major manufacturing issue.

Fixed my typo above...

Warranty is not something to get real excited about. If you shoot the rifle, any issues will arrise very quickly.

If something comes up after the warranty, and is so severe that you would send it back to the maker...they would likely cover it anyway as a manufacturing defect. One year is plenty on an AR.

And, realistically, as modular as AR's are...before the warranty is up you will likely have made some change to the rifle that will void any warranty anyway...

PP

S&W used to use all Stag parts, now they use all Stag parts, except for the barrel, which is made by Thompson.

IMO, go w/ the Stag. But Smith's aren't bad at all, and don't be worried about the fact that they only have a 1 yr. warranty.

Edit: Like said below, a manu warranty really doesn't accomplish anything since if it's a minor problem, you're out of your gun for who knows how long, and big problems they probably will find a way to attribute to something other than their own fault.

Only thing "warranty wise" that's pretty cool are the accuracy guarantees that a couple of manu. offer. (RRA, Les Baer, super high-end bushmasters that cost more than Les Baers...)

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BUILD YOUR OWN!!!!!

Now that I am done screaming, manufacturers warrenties are for crap once you've built you own up, since you'll know how to fix anything that goes wrong for pennies. Unless you have a kaboom, and good luck getting them to cover that.

35, I'm up in Cooke all the time, and if want/need help building your own, let me know. Plus, I can give you some tips on places to buy parts for less $. I've built 4 of my own from scratch, and am working on 5 & 6. I've got all the tools.

Thanks Log

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Log,
You have an action block?

I am about to finish my 6.8/6.5 and my brother lost mine.

Also, I just realized I have have 4 receivers, 2 that may need something special.

I think it may be SBR Time.

35, I'll email you later this evening.

Deats, yeah, I've got the Peace River clamshell one. Let me know if you need to use it, or you can come over, since I've got a good vise mounted on my workbench.

I smell a build party in July.

24" 6.5 barrels are 4-6 weeks out so its time to build a 6.8 SBR.

I have an LLC and Lower ready to go.

Puryear,
I need your help. Where do I go next?
Form 1 or Form 4? Is engraving required?

I'm finally going to go through with it and buy a completed Rock River lower. I'm kind of waiting on the money to come around to buy an upper and some other stuff (mags and a flip rear sight), but getting the lower taken care of was priority number one. I'll finally be in the black rifle family. Now if only I can get an FFL straightened out before the place I'm buying from goes out of stock (which happens frequently with RRA products).

ETA: What are the Texas laws on using a black rifle while hunting? Must it be exotics and varmints or are game animals clear? I realize ammo is important when taking game animals so please don't get into that.

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Stros:

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/annual/hunt/means/

Don't go buy a lower from a dealer. Get one from a gunshow. Look on the Hometown forum at ARFCOM, since they'll let you know who is at what show there.

Deats: look for a 1:10 barrel. Supposed to provide the best accuracy, but only a couple of places produce them. Check the 6.8 area on ARFCOM.

Why not go through a dealer? Gun shows are hit or miss for me right now and this place I've found seems to be one of the few dealers that actually has Rock River lowers in stock. I guess I could always go directly through RRA.

And thanks for the TPWD info. Sure I could have looked it up myself, haven't had time.

[This message has been edited by StrosAggies34 (edited 6/25/2008 9:01p).]

Not to take away business from a storefront dealer, but you'll pay an extra $20+ for a lower through them. Gunshows have the best deals. And just because it has a "brand" rollmark on the magwell doesn't mean it is better than a "lesser" branded one. See here for details:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=318113

If you are wanting to go RRA, unless you want the target on the magwell, I'd go Stag or High Standard, since you can get them for $100-110, and they are the same exact receiver with a different rollmark.

I am getting 3 double stars for $290 at fort worth in three weeks...


Log,
Wanna head over there with me?

I decided to go with RRA mainly for the value and that I had always read good things about them. I would not have a problem with switching to Stag or another CMT made lower if the price is right. Stag shows the identical completed lower (I would build one from a stripped lower but being my first AR I'm not sure I'm ready to tackle that though the Stag stripped is less than the RRA stripped) for the exact same price RRA asks (and subsequently the dealers). Like I said, gun shows aren't going to happen for me right now.

Also, if I were to buy a Stag lower (which may be easier to find than RRA), would an RRA upper fit on there just fine? This is something I've thought true though I thought I might ask anyways.

Stros,
Stripped is stripped. Whats the difference?

Yeah, the RRA upper will fit any mil-spec lower.

I'm not sure why a gunshow isn't feasible for you now. If you can afford a lower from a storefront, you can afford to head to Houston for the weekend and go to either the Reliant or George R. Brown gunshows and get more for your money. It's only 1.5 hours away from CS.

Deats: yeah, let me know. I'll be missing the Rodeo show this weekend.

Me too. Damn wedding for people I don't know. Robbie is holding those three for me.

ddp

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Guess I left a key out, I'm not in CS right now. I'm in the Amarillo area. Basically I have my financial plan for the next year figured out, so thats how I came around to making the decisions I did. I'd rather not get into details but I do know I can afford an AR. Anything I buy in the next two months will be shipped to an FFL in Amarillo. Its unlikely I buy anything storefront in Amarillo.

I am leaning towards a Stag now though. Store in Round Rock has em for $40 less than than the RRAs. Keep in mind this is the completed lower with standard trigger and six-position stock I'm looking at. I don't think I'm ready to build from a stripped lower.

[This message has been edited by StrosAggies34 (edited 6/25/2008 10:12p).]