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Puryear Playboy
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Yep. Local and was at Benning. We are ground zero here in BCS for 3 Gun. Clubs in west Houston, Temple, ahhem...Bryan, Corpus, Tiger Valley in Waco, the USPSA 3 Gun Nationals last year in Tulsa...this year in Shreveport, Benning is 10 hours away and so is Raton (Rocky Mountain 3 Gun) which are the two best in the country, period. Great club in Corpus too.

If you are not doing anything Sunday come out to Arrowhead and hang-out (or shoot) with the Brazosland Pistoleros (www.brazoslandpistoleros.com), your local affiliate of the mighty USPSA.

Everyone else is invited out as well.

PP



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CT'97
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I might be able to make it if not for all at least for part of it.
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Got my PRS on Tuesday. Will have a range report after this weekend.
94 Killer
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That Magpul is NICE. I thought about using it for 3 gun, but went with CTR instead for speed instead. Let us know what you think.

Puryear, are they doing a July match? I'll be visiting Texas and would like to fit a match in if possible.

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Puryear Playboy
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We shoot on the 4th Sunday of each month.

I have a .308 PRS on my DPMS .308 work in progress. They are good stuff, dont get me wrong, but too heavy for a 3 Gun rifle...with one exception, and that is if you shoot in Limited class. I know several guys that shoot Limited rifles that think the solid check weld are worth the trade off.

FYI, Limited class shoots iron-sights only on all three guns...irons on 4-500 yard 10" steel is doing something...you need all the advantage you can get!

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aggielostinETX
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avg right now is about 110 + tax

anything less would be great
MW03
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so a buddy and I went to the gun show at market hall this afternoon. he has the black rifle fever. anyway, after deciding not to spring for a HK USP45, he decided he needed some more toys for his bushmaster. this is the result.


aggielostinETX
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So I sold my varmint upper and now have a serious jonesing for some Variants...


So I think I will be building the 6.8 a soon as my funding posts from the sale and then a 6.5 will be around May 9(thanx .gov).

If anyone didn't know, AA is now selling matched 6.5 barrels and bolts for $260.

And Ko-Tonics is selling 6.8 barrels for $215 and bolts for $60.



"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" ~ attributed to Freud
cdaggie007
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I'd like to buy a RRA stripped lower and a parts kit, can they be bought from Champions and would it be cheaper? If not, why is the wait so long for them through RRA?

Second, for the parts kit, the standard trigger kit is $70, the 2 stage is $180. I'd like to get the 2-stage but is it worth that much more? What's the difference in those triggers?
AgGunNut
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Champions has them when they are available. Currently I think they are out.
KRamp90
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Two stage trigger = very nice.
94 Killer
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Triggers are personal in nature. I use a drop in McCormick single stage ($170), it's nice because it's a single unit with flat trigger. 2.5 pounds and super crisp. It works great for those CQB double-taps for 3 gun.



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Puryear Playboy
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Two stage triggers are for long range work...think sniping or PD hunting.

Single stage triggers are best for fast shooting. It's very hard to double tap well with a two stage trigger.

PP
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It appears that CMMG no longer has the bargin bin rifles.

I try to keep up with the AR situation with prices and all that jazz since I won't be able to buy one in the near future, and I was kind of hoping that the bargin bin CMMGs would last a bit longer. Oh well.
cdaggie007
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So are they any cheaper buying them from champions?
BigBrother
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I am interested in building an AR-15 now. I looked at several of the links, and while I'm sure it was mentioned, I missed where it explains what tools would be needed. I have been dealing with a small outfitter here in Ohio that I got my concealed class from. He explained that he teaches an armoring class and I would probably need a kit plus the parts themselves and that I probably would have a hell of a time doing it on my own even with the right tools. What tools might I need that aren't common and how much are we talking? Are most of you buying the completed uppers and/or lowers and just putting them together and customizing?
aggielostinETX
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BigBrother,

All you need to know about building AR's here.


No armorer's course needed.
BigBrother
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Bah, sad to say I don't have several of those things. I'm still working on my basic tool collection.
cdaggie007
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I just watched the video on that assembly link that deatsman posted above and it's so simple. The only "special tool" that most people don't have would be that castle nut wrench which can be had for cheap off most websites and then maybe the punches which are also cheap and can be bought at home depot. Other than that its just a small hammer, screw driver and pliers. Very simple. I'm looking forward to building mine. Here's that video:
www.lifelibertyetc.com/RangeBag/Video/LLE_AR15StrippedLower.wmv

I like how in that video, the lower that he puts together instead of saying "safe" and "Fire" for the safety selector, it reads "peace" and "firepower" and if it were to be converted to full auto "supierior firepower".

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cdaggie007
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Well guys, I finally did it and I'm so excited. I picked up the last one at champions. Let the building begin!
Centerpole90
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That's how I started too... a few $$$$$$$$ ago.

Have Fun.

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RBoutdoors
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How would you rank the following manufactures?

DPMS
Colt
Bushmaster
RockRiver

Who am I leaving off?
aggielostinETX
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colt=bushy=RRA > dmps
Puryear Playboy
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RRA and DPMS are equal. No issues real issues. I've had several of each and I have 4 SBR'd DPMS lowers.

Colt uses a finish that doesnt match anyone elses...so you need an upper and a lower from them, or they wont match.

Bushmasters are fine also. But I have had the most issues with Bushy lowers than any other. Lots of forging marks that where not removed...and two that wouldnt drop mags free. All that said, my 3 Gun rifle is built on a Bushmaster lower.

PP

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I know that gunsmithing plays the biggest factor, but what part are inherently more accurate than others. I am guess the Stainless HBAR is more accurate than the Chrome-Moly. What about hand guards Free Float is better than molded?

I would am trying to put together what I want, and am willing to give up cool factor for accuracy.
Log
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No one, besides the odd Olympic (and I don't think they even do it anymore), makes cast receivers. The flashing you see is from the forging of the lower and just hasn't been milled off. See here for more info:

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=318113

All lowers these days are pretty much equal in terms of function. It pretty much comes down to what rollmark you like the best and how much you are willing to pay for a name. High Standard, Double Star, and Stag are cheap, whereas Bushmaster and a few others are $60-80 more. And some of them are made by the same company before they are branded by the rollmark. As said, refer to the link. Finish might be a little different, but they should all fit pretty well. It's when we start refering to complete rifles that Armalite=Busmaster=Colt=RRA>>>>>>>DPMS & Olympic comes in to play. Pretty much everything from the ABCR manufacturers carries a pretty decent warranty, are well made with quality parts, and tend to work all the time. It's some of the lower end, budget manufacturers, such as DPMS and Olympic, where issues pop up, and everything isn't always up to par. One persons' runs great, while someone elses won't run at all. And the customer service isn't always the best with them either.

That being said, I suggest to never buy a complete rifle. Buy a stripped lower and build it how you want. The buy the complete upper of your choice. Why? Because when you buy a complete rifle, that costs, say $800, you've got to pay the excise tax on the whole rifle. When you buy a $110 stripped lower, you only pay the tax on it. And then you can build it up how you want, while not having to settle for something off the shelf, then spending more money "fixing" it to the point where you like it. Plus, the only thing you need to buy from a dealer is the lower; everything else can be ordered and shipped directly to you.

As far as accuracy, the barrel you use and the trigger are the two major things that contribute to accuracy. But don't expect to have the best of both of those and shoot MOA groups at 600 yards without optics unless you are a highpower competition shooter. I'd go with a quality chromelined barrel and put at RRA two-stage trigger in. If you're wanting to building a preceision rifle, White Oak Armament (WOA) makes great SS barrels, and the RRA trigger will do you well, but there are a plethora of target triggers out there. But be prepared to drop some cash on optics and good rings. No sense in having a WOA SPR barrel and Geissele DMR trigger if you're going to be using open sights.

That's my $0.02. Building is pretty easy. Even the upper.

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cdaggie007
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I'm shopping for iron sights. Mostly the rear sight because the barrel comes with the standard front sight that's on most ARs and I'm guessing thats good enough for me. Does anyone have recommendations for the rear sight?
TXAGFAN
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aimsurplus ahs the cheapest one you can get. That being said...isn't the best either. I thought I would shoot irons but opted for a Bushnell Trophy MP optic.
aggielostinETX
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larue buis is one of the best and cheapest
Puryear Playboy
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First you need to answer the question of is this a back-up sight or a primary sight? Are you going to use some type of optic?

If you are going to use an optic, then this is a back up sight and as such it can and should fold. This gets it out of the way of the optic, if the optic a scope. Some folks like to co-witness if you are using a red-dot, or an optic with no magnification, which basicly means you have a non-folding rear sight that you always look through...so that if the dot where to quit at a bad time you just instantly switch to the irons. Only draw back here is that you cant fold it to clear under a scope.

Which leads to the other issue...most folding back-up irons wont fit under a scope unless the scope is mounted too high. The ARMS 40L is designed for this purpose...compare it to a standard ARMS 40. Its even a compromise because whne its folded the small sight ring is what is visible when the sight is deployed...in a jam you really need the large one...I cut the small one off on the one rifle I run a 40L upon.

The cheapest and most reliable quality is the DPMS fixed rear sight. You will see them for $65 or so. Its basicly a cut down carry handle...the handle is cut off leaving the adjustable A2 sight. Thats another option as well.

Its on sale here: http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=873271&t=11082005

PP




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Log
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The Troy BUIS is also very low profile and will fit underneath a scope. Just prepared to drop some cash on it.

http://troyind.com/rear.html
AgGunNut
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Troy and GG&G are excellent, but expensive.
cdaggie007
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Well as of now, because I'm still building, I don't plan on any optics because I'm limited on cash as it is. But...that could change and I don't to have to buy new iron sights to accomadate an optic if I choose to get one. I like the troy sights, they look well made and look awesome. ARMS look pretty nice as well, and seem to be preety popular. Where can I look at GG&G? Never heard of them and I'd like to take a look at everything.

Also, what are yall's opinions on front sights? Keep the standard sight that comes on most AR's or go with something else?
AgGunNut
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Champions has the GG&G sights in stock. Spring assisted as well as the normal flip sights.
 
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