Range Report v.2

Took it back out with my final remaining ammo, 12 rounds of Black Hills and 12 rounds of Wolf. I had cleaned and liberally lubed the rifle about an hour before hand. As a before hand, it's clear that I did not hit the target all 24 times, I have no explanation.



The red group is the Black Hills group which I did from prone with iron sights at approx 50-60 yards. I rested the handguard on a sleeping bag while I held the mag well. Side note: We have since decided that the first grouping that was with a scope (see earlier post) was done at the same distance and not the 100 yards assumed.

The grouping appears better than with the scope, or at least there is some semblance of it being a little tighter as apposed to the enormous spread I got with the scope. That in my mind is good news, meaning that there is a problem with my $50 scope and not my $800 gun.

The green group was 12 rounds of Wolf at approx. 25 yards doing what I call a "quick draw" drill. Squared up engaging the target... gun up, fire, gun down... and repeat. I did it with iron sights and since I don't know what good actually is for such a drill, I think I did ok. I'd like to hear yalls thoughts on both groups.

On the bright side, I've put 90 rounds threw it (40 Wolf and 50 Black Hills) and have yet to have a jam or FTF.

Just got my scope in today (Leu Mk4 1.5-5) and finished mounting it earlier this evening (using L.T. mount). Will try to get pics up later. It looks and feels great.

Stros...post a current pic of your rifle and scope. Maybe we can pick out something from a photo.

Also, list all the details of the rifle. Make, model, used/new, did you make any mods?

PP

Stag Model 2
16" Carbine gas system
M1 rear sight, fixed front sight

Bought completed lower from Lone Star Wholesale
Had to file down the end plate to give space for the charging handle to move.

Bought completed upper half from AR15sales.com. Stag 2H model with stock handguards. Replaced stock handguards with green carbine handguards.

Scope is a Bushnell 3-9x33 Sportsman or something like that. Its mounted on tall Leupold rings.

When shooting with the iron sights, I use the peep hole flip and not the CQB flip.

I've posted pictures here before you might look back for them. The gun is unchanged from those pictures.

What is your barrel twist?

Check the FH to make sure you aren't getting bullet strikes on it. Also check it to make sure it is tight.

Look down the bore. Is it chromelined, and if it is, is it flaking.

Pull your handguards and make sure the barrel but is tight.

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What would yall recommend for my next 5.56. Stag Arms or S&W. I will be putting an Aimpoint on it. What are yall's experiences with these two guns. Thanks.

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Components of each brand are made by CMT, and I think Stag builds S&W's rifles. It comes down to what rollmark you like better, S&W's or the Bambi head, and ho wmuch you want to spend.

not sure about stag, but the smith and wesson i picked up and handled at cabelas had a teflon like coatig on the barrel. this finish appeared to be put on AFTER the assembly of the front site/gas block. so if you wanted to modify the rifle, it would appear you would have to mar the finish pretty badly when removing those pieces.

but if you dont plan on doing that type stuff, then it seems like a really good finish.

just food for thought

for those that use ACOGs or EOTechs:

how far forward to you typically mount them?

if i eventually want to use a flip away magnifier, would this change where the site mounts (forward/backward)?

the reason i ask, is that Troy makes their quad rails to where the flat top of the upper receiver is continuous with the quad rail's top rail. kinds cool if you need a rail there above the barrel nut. i guess it prevents you from having to get a cantilever rail.

thoughts?

I finally finished my first AR and got some pics of her. I built her from the ground up, started with a stripped lower and went from there doing all the work myself. It was probably one of the coolest things to do, I enjoyed it all and love the finished product. Can't wait to shoot it.

Looks awesome cd.

One tip, might want to move the front BUIS up a notch to where it is flush with the front of the rail. Slightly longer sight radius that way.

[This message has been edited by Log (edited 8/7/2008 7:38p).]

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What is your barrel twist?

Check the FH to make sure you aren't getting bullet strikes on it. Also check it to make sure it is tight.

Look down the bore. Is it chromelined, and if it is, is it flaking.

Pull your handguards and make sure the barrel but is tight.

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1/9" 5.56 barrel

I have been firing .223 and I've read that that causes accuracy problems but I've also read that its negligable. Should I try some 5.56 through it to check and see?

I think the bore is chromed and there is no flaking if it is. Its practically new. No chrome has come out when cleaning the bore.

The FH looks fine, how do I check for bullet strikes? I haven't messed with it at all, its factory tight.

Barrel should be factory tight as well, haven't messed with it except for the handguards, which I don't want to go through the trouble of pulling off again.

Make sure when you clean the bore to only use patches...a brush will scratch the chrome.

Sounds like the rifle is OK. I'm not a fan of Model 1 anything...but, thats me.

Let someone else shoot it and see how it shoots for them.

PP

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Make sure when you clean the bore to only use patches...a brush will scratch the chrome.

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Interesting you say that because the Otis instruction kit I have says to use the brush. Guess I won't be doing that anymore then. Of course it was shooting bad before I cleaned it.

I still think its mostly just me. Once I get stuff properly sighted I think we'll be able to figure it out.

Looking at a rimfire .22LR AR uppers. Looks like there are a few options out there including Model 1 Sales and Spike's Tactical. Anyone purchased one of these or done some research?

I've purchased from Model 1 and Spikes Tactical and was happy with both. Nothing wrong with the order and got it quickly.

Has anyone ever used chamber laser bore sights? I want to get one and I like the one made by SightMark. Thoughts?

http://www.opticsbestbuy.com/SIGHTMARK-223-Laser-Bore-Sight.html

Just shipped to me:



Gotta get the one-point sling and CAA flashlight vertical handle, and this project is complete! ... then optics.... :-| $$$$

I have about 3 pistols that I don't use anymore and was wanting to get my first AR.

Would it be a good idea to go to a gun show to try to trade the pistols towards an AR?

Also what would be a good starter AR?

PooDoo you will get the most selling your guns online to ftf sellers. Try on here, texaschlforum.com, and even gunbroker if you want before trading them in to a dealer. They will hose you big time.

Thanks, I'll give those a try...

Do you have any suggestions on an AR? I'm not sure what's a quality gun and I really don't know where to get one that I don't have to assemble myself.

Academy and Cabelas sell them off the shelf.

Otherwise budsgunshop.com has some good prices.

I'm thinking of buying an AR-10. I've been reading for a couple days. I wouldn't mind a used gun at all. Where's the best place to start looking? Gunbroker have good prices? Thanks. I'm a noob on this subject.

Have any of you tried an SLR15 lower? It looks good, but I don't want some small time hokey lower that my upper isn't going to fit on!

Any experience?

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Not all those who wander are lost.

Provide a link. That being said, most lowers are pretty much equal in quality.

Hey Log:

picking up the lowers this afternoon. remainder of parts are trickling in. may have to meet up sometime (dove season) for a blast and build.

Sounds good. I'll be in NM elk hunting from 9/5-9/14, but will be here most every weekend after that.

new lowers from Anvil Arms.

sweetness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7UzxXv8p4

Can we bump her to the top of the ticket?

Chili-
You own that engraving at Anvil? I like the looks of it and would like to talk about it...

i do.

my brother and i 'made' it in autocad. he told them when we ordered that if someone else wanted to use it, that they welcome to it.

i didnt like any of the other "come and take it" designs they had so i made a new one. all the other ones i found on the web i felt had much too sharp of lines and too modern of fonts. so the one we created is based off this site's flag:

http://www.galleryoftherepublic.com/txflags/gonzales.htm




and they should have it on file, but i can, however, send you the file if you would like.

OK, so I can get all of the following for about $125 shipped.

DPMS, CMMG, and Doublestar. They are all LAR lowers, so aren't they all pretty much the same? Any preferences?

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here is a better photo:



it is also now posted on the anvil arms laser engraving thread on ar-15.com for reference.

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hogue vs ergo grips?

i am leaning towards the hogue because i am not sure i like the beaver tail part going over the lower.

any preference on one vs the other?

love my green hogues