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I will take re-hiring the 4K that got riffed during the shutdown. That's small potatoes.

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Honest question as I've been busy the past bit and have been a little out of the loop on why this CR is such a huge win for R's. Why is it a win for the GOP voting for a CR that is pretty much continuing the spending that the D's wanted the last go around?

Is this not a case of the Overton window moving left where now the D's want more leftism but the GOP is happy to get the D's leftism of yesteryear?

The only win I see here is the D's making themselves look like fools wanting to go further left, but that will happen regardless if the GOP moves left or tries to be conservative with a budget. We can't even keep the firings that happened during the shutdown which seem like a bare minimum we should expect to "win". This reeks of uniparty pulling the wool over the conservatives eyes and somehow the right is rejoicing. Make it make sense.

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Well, this CR was simply preserving what was already passed in the OBBB in the spring and was a stopgap for the next round of appropriations. The Democrats held this up because they wanted to refight the same battle we already had with the OBBB with their demands to put $1.5T right back into this CR which was everything that was cut when OBBB was passed earlier.

The only concessions seem to be rehiring ~4k workers that got furloughed during the shutdown which never would have happened if Dems hadn't shut us down, and a promise to vote on ACA subsidies which likely would have happened anyway due to political pressure from constituents.

Thus, in that regard there is really no net damage done here and the Democrats lost their battle to get spending reinstated to the OBBB. This is all assumes there isn't something hidden that we haven't seen yet, which is always a danger.

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This is the part that I keep getting hung up on as a limited government conservative. CR's in itself is damaging, especially when the baseline is extremely high levels of spending with minimal oversight during the approval process.

R's are celebrating continueing more big spending and enabling our budget leaders (Congress) to avoid doing their job, and the win is that it isn't as big of spending as what the D's want.

I don't see that anywhere close to being a win, but understand why some centrists would though.

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Well, yeah, but what you stated is irrelevant in the context of this CR and the mechanism of how it works.

I wholeheartedly agree with you but that's a different battlefield and, frankly, one we already lost as you already know.

This is a win in terms of we didn't add anything new to it.

Tea Party said:

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Tea Party said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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I will take re-hiring the 4K that got riffed during the shutdown. That's small potatoes.

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Honest question as I've been busy the past bit and have been a little out of the loop on why this CR is such a huge win for R's. Why is it a win for the GOP voting for a CR that is pretty much continuing the spending that the D's wanted the last go around?

Is this not a case of the Overton window moving left where now the D's want more leftism but the GOP is happy to get the D's leftism of yesteryear?

The only win I see here is the D's making themselves look like fools wanting to go further left, but that will happen regardless if the GOP moves left or tries to be conservative with a budget. We can't even keep the firings that happened during the shutdown which seem like a bare minimum we should expect to "win". This reeks of uniparty pulling the wool over the conservatives eyes and somehow the right is rejoicing. Make it make sense.

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Well, this CR was simply preserving what was already passed in the OBBB in the spring and was a stopgap for the next round of appropriations. The Democrats held this up because they wanted to refight the same battle we already had with the OBBB with their demands to put $1.5T right back into this CR which was everything that was cut when OBBB was passed earlier.

The only concessions seem to be rehiring ~4k workers that got furloughed during the shutdown which never would have happened if Dems hadn't shut us down, and a promise to vote on ACA subsidies which likely would have happened anyway due to political pressure from constituents.

Thus, in that regard there is really no net damage done here and the Democrats lost their battle to get spending reinstated to the OBBB. This is all assumes there isn't something hidden that we haven't seen yet, which is always a danger.

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This is the part that I keep getting hung up on as a limited government conservative. CR's in itself is damaging, especially when the baseline is extremely high levels of spending with minimal oversight during the approval process.

R's are celebrating continueing more big spending and enabling our budget leaders (Congress) to avoid doing their job, and the win is that it isn't as big of spending as what the D's want.

I don't see that anywhere close to being a win, but understand why some centrists would though.

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Funding the government until January to get past holidays. This also has 3 appropriations bills which means only 9 more to go this year and Military Construction, Veterans Affairs, and Agriculture would not be affected by another shutdown.

It is frustrating that democrats did not pass a single appropriations bill under Autopen so this has not happened in 5 years.

Rand Paul still continues to vote against every CR out of principle.

It's a win because it slows the pendulum and actually does cut some spending by failing to renew the ACA subsidies...Rs also didn't ADD any new spending, and through DOGE alone, and also by not agreeing to renew the ACA subsidies, they have actually cut spending...and with tariffs, they have actually raised revenues...

Rs next steps will be to codify certain spending cuts made by the Trump administration in his first 200+ days...that will be when you should start seeing congress reduce overall spending...the things done by Trump must be eventually codified by congress to have a lasting effect...

For now, Rs made slight improvements and will keep it from getting worse than it was...

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Keep the shut down going until either Congressional leaders make an actual budget, or the populace realizes government has not been working for them and starts to reevaluate their voting habits.

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I agree with you 100%. We need to throw bums out of congress. Bums in both parties.

But if the only concession Rs gave (beyond continuing current spending levels) is to reinstate furloughed employees, this is a win in relative terms.

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This is the part that I keep getting hung up on as a limited government conservative. CR's in itself is damaging, especially when the baseline is extremely high levels of spending with minimal oversight during the approval process.

R's are celebrating continueing more big spending and enabling our budget leaders (Congress) to avoid doing their job, and the win is that it isn't as big of spending as what the D's want.

I don't see that anywhere close to being a win, but understand why some centrists would though.

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You take your victories where you can get them.

In this case, the R's successfully fought off the Dems trying to take the government hostage in order to add back $1.5T of temporary, enhanced Obamacare subsidies that were never part of the original Obamacare law.

So, a win, but yes only a small one in the grand scheme of things. Much more work to do.

What do the discussions on Obamacare in December entail? Are they going to look at reworking it or getting rid of the parts that drive up prices?

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What do the discussions on Obamacare in December entail? Are they going to look at reworking it or getting rid of the parts that drive up prices?

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Obamacare has failed. Democrats want to take more money and pour into it so they aren't blamed for its engineered failure. Conservatives told them it was a terrible idea and it was doomed to fail from the beginning, which is why Hussein literally locked republicans out of discussions.

Hussein just wanted to seize 20% of the economy, as he did with student loans. Seizing the money is seizing power and control.

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This is the part that I keep getting hung up on as a limited government conservative. CR's in itself is damaging, especially when the baseline is extremely high levels of spending with minimal oversight during the approval process.

R's are celebrating continueing more big spending and enabling our budget leaders (Congress) to avoid doing their job, and the win is that it isn't as big of spending as what the D's want.

I don't see that anywhere close to being a win, but understand why some centrists would though.

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You take your victories where you can get them.

In this case, the R's successfully fought off the Dems trying to take the government hostage in order to add back $1.5T of temporary, enhanced Obamacare subsidies that were never part of the original Obamacare law.

So, a win, but yes only a small one in the grand scheme of things. Much more work to do.

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To be clear, the $1.5T was way more than just ACA subsidy extension. They were wanting to reimplement all of the cuts made during OBBB - Medicaid, etc. Thus, why it was total b.s. on what they were doing. They were trying to hold us all hostage and re-fight the OBBB all over again.

The ACA subsidies by themselves are "only" around $35B per year increase in spending.

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What do the discussions on Obamacare in December entail? Are they going to look at reworking it or getting rid of the parts that drive up prices?

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My understanding is that these discussions are scoped to just extending ACA subsidies and is not an open-ended discussion on Obamacare.

We shall see though.

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To be clear, the $1.5T was way more than just ACA subsidy extension. They were wanting to reimplement all of the cuts made during OBBB - Medicaid, etc. Thus, why it was total b.s. on what they were doing. They were trying to hold us all hostage and re-fight the OBBB all over again.

The ACA subsidies by themselves are "only" around $35B per year increase in spending.

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That is nuts.

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What do the discussions on Obamacare in December entail? Are they going to look at reworking it or getting rid of the parts that drive up prices?

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My understanding is that these discussions are scoped to just extending ACA subsidies and is not an open-ended discussion on Obamacare.

We shall see though.

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I could easily see the R's insisting on structural reforms to O-care as part of any agreement to temporarily extend subsidies again. Of course, I can see the Dems saying no to that, which then just makes it an election issue in 2026. That probably benefits the Dems because there's ongoing dissatisfaction with the economy right now from a large number of people.

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To be clear, the $1.5T was way more than just ACA subsidy extension. They were wanting to reimplement all of the cuts made during OBBB - Medicaid, etc. Thus, why it was total b.s. on what they were doing. They were trying to hold us all hostage and re-fight the OBBB all over again.

The ACA subsidies by themselves are "only" around $35B per year increase in spending.

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That is nuts.

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Negotiation tactic...

Their goal was ACA subsidy extension...they threw the whole kitchen sink at Rs as a ploy to get Rs to settle on "only" allowing the ACA subsidy extension...

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What do the discussions on Obamacare in December entail? Are they going to look at reworking it or getting rid of the parts that drive up prices?

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Obamacare has failed. Democrats want to take more money and pour into it so they aren't blamed for its engineered failure. Conservatives told them it was a terrible idea and it was doomed to fail from the beginning, which is why Hussein literally locked republicans out of discussions.

Hussein just wanted to seize 20% of the economy, as he did with student loans. Seizing the money is seizing power and control.

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yep. At its base level, Dems shut down the federal government in an act of political terrorism to try to prevent the law to reverting to original obamacare. Everyone knew obamacare would suck and make things more unaffordable ('everyone' including the architects imho; there are certainly some dummies out there that actually bought into the lie). Dems threw subsidies at it twice and now simply don't want the law to be what they created without the subsidies. It's somewhat insane that any rational person would think those same people will 'get it right' this time. Their 'get it right' is more control, of course, so its working for them....

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This is the part that I keep getting hung up on as a limited government conservative. CR's in itself is damaging, especially when the baseline is extremely high levels of spending with minimal oversight during the approval process.

R's are celebrating continueing more big spending and enabling our budget leaders (Congress) to avoid doing their job, and the win is that it isn't as big of spending as what the D's want.

I don't see that anywhere close to being a win, but understand why some centrists would though.

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You take your victories where you can get them.

In this case, the R's successfully fought off the Dems trying to take the government hostage in order to add back $1.5T of temporary, enhanced Obamacare subsidies that were never part of the original Obamacare law.

So, a win, but yes only a small one in the grand scheme of things. Much more work to do.

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To be clear, the $1.5T was way more than just ACA subsidy extension. They were wanting to reimplement all of the cuts made during OBBB - Medicaid, etc. Thus, why it was total b.s. on what they were doing. They were trying to hold us all hostage and re-fight the OBBB all over again.

The ACA subsidies by themselves are "only" around $35B per year increase in spending.

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Obamacare and these subsidies were supposed to make healthcare costs for the average individual go down, but all they did was boost profits for insurance companies while they continue to charge more and more each year. These were supposed to expire a few years ago, but were extended in the "Inflation Reduction Act"

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/115526123205979749

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Tea Party said:

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This is the part that I keep getting hung up on as a limited government conservative. CR's in itself is damaging, especially when the baseline is extremely high levels of spending with minimal oversight during the approval process.

R's are celebrating continueing more big spending and enabling our budget leaders (Congress) to avoid doing their job, and the win is that it isn't as big of spending as what the D's want.

I don't see that anywhere close to being a win, but understand why some centrists would though.

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You take your victories where you can get them.

In this case, the R's successfully fought off the Dems trying to take the government hostage in order to add back $1.5T of temporary, enhanced Obamacare subsidies that were never part of the original Obamacare law.

So, a win, but yes only a small one in the grand scheme of things. Much more work to do.

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To be clear, the $1.5T was way more than just ACA subsidy extension. They were wanting to reimplement all of the cuts made during OBBB - Medicaid, etc. Thus, why it was total b.s. on what they were doing. They were trying to hold us all hostage and re-fight the OBBB all over again.

The ACA subsidies by themselves are "only" around $35B per year increase in spending.

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Obamacare and these subsidies were supposed to make healthcare costs for the average individual go down, but all they did was boost profits for insurance companies while they continue to charge more and more each year. These were supposed to expire a few years ago, but were extended in the "Inflation Reduction Act"

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Correct, which was Biden's and the Democrats capstone legislation that did the opposite of its intention as Dem legislation always does.

The fact that Speaker Johnson had to tell the House members to make their way back to DC tells you everything you need to know about Congress. Both parties. They created this mess, they shouldn't have left town until they fixed it.

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The fact that Speaker Johnson had to tell the House members to make their way back to DC tells you everything you need to know about Congress. Both parties. They created this mess, they shouldn't have left town until they fixed it.

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The House had passed the CR, but the Democrats kept it tied up in the Senate.

Nothing the House could do, and keeping the House out of session deprived the Democrats of one additional seat.

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The fact that Speaker Johnson had to tell the House members to make their way back to DC tells you everything you need to know about Congress. Both parties. They created this mess, they shouldn't have left town until they fixed it.

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The House had passed the CR, but the Democrats kept it tied up in the Senate.

Nothing the House could do, and keeping the House out of session deprived the Democrats of one additional seat.

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🚨HOLY CRAP! The beans have been SPILLED! Democrats raked in MILLIONS while the American people SUFFERED.

This is DISGUSTING.

Ossoff was more worried about pocketing low-dollar donations from some radical in California clicking an email for $100 than the suffering of TENS OF… https://t.co/n3I3TVrpjW pic.twitter.com/N6LUSH7AhX

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) November 10, 2025

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The fact that Speaker Johnson had to tell the House members to make their way back to DC tells you everything you need to know about Congress. Both parties. They created this mess, they shouldn't have left town until they fixed it.

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The House had passed the CR, but the Democrats kept it tied up in the Senate.

Nothing the House could do, and keeping the House out of session deprived the Democrats of one additional seat.

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Does this mean that that female democrat who has been waiting for Johnson to do his this so she can vote with the rest of the dems will now happen?

Does Marjorie Taylor Greene the "conservative" now vote against MAGA and with the leftists?

AGAIN?!

Democrats: "This is a Republican shutdown!"

Also Democrats: "I am in total shock that our party would cave to the Republicans and re-open the government."

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) November 10, 2025

for those who think the Republicans somehow "lost".

NOPE!!

BREAKING: After a stream of half truths and outright misinformation, The View’s Sunny Hostin turns on Chuck Schumer and calls on him to step down as minority leader.

"If he cannot keep his caucus together, he needs to go. He needs to be replaced."

The Democrat crash out… pic.twitter.com/Qo1aIq9fZo

— Andrew Kolvet (@AndrewKolvet) November 10, 2025

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Does Marjorie Taylor Greene the "conservative" now vote against MAGA and with the leftists?

AGAIN?!

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There's nothing in this package about the ACA Seems likely it passes

The next round of budget bills that need to be passed before this CR expires will likely have an up or down vote on ACA Covid subsidies

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Dems threw subsidies at it twice and now simply don't want the law to be what they created without the subsidies. It's somewhat insane that any rational person would think those same people will 'get it right' this time. Their 'get it right' is more control, of course, so its working for them....

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It's always been about taking more and more of our money.

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for those who think the Republicans somehow "lost".

NOPE!!

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The first shots of the DNC civil war are being fired today. Enjoy it!

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for those who think the Republicans somehow "lost".

NOPE!!

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The first shots of the DNC civil war are being fired today. Enjoy it!

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Democratic lawmaker: Schumer 'should be replaced'
by Alexander Bolton - 11/10/25 8:15 AM ET


Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) is calling on Senate Democrats to replace Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) as leader after eight members of the Senate Democratic caucus voted Sunday to begin the process of reopening the federal government.

Khanna, a progressive Democrat who represents Silicon Valley, argued on social media that if Schumer can't keep his caucus unified against a government funding bill that doesn't extend enhanced health insurance subsidies, then he shouldn't lead Senate Democrats.

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for those who think the Republicans somehow "lost".

NOPE!!

BREAKING: After a stream of half truths and outright misinformation, The View’s Sunny Hostin turns on Chuck Schumer and calls on him to step down as minority leader.

"If he cannot keep his caucus together, he needs to go. He needs to be replaced."

The Democrat crash out… pic.twitter.com/Qo1aIq9fZo

— Andrew Kolvet (@AndrewKolvet) November 10, 2025

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Sounds like a "win" for America

when Commie Bernie is mad and whining, it's a great day for the Republicans

Tonight was a very bad night. pic.twitter.com/t2rM48XEyV

— Sen. Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) November 10, 2025

Rand Paul just blocked the advancement and is vowing to slow it down because he's against a hemp provision in the agriculture bill that would affect Kentucky's weed farmers. I'm reading he could use procedural processes to slow the final vote down for about 5 days.

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Rand Paul just blocked the advancement and is vowing to slow it down because he's against a hemp provision in the agriculture bill that would affect Kentucky's weed farmers. I'm reading he could use procedural processes to slow the final vote down for about 5 days.

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Our GOP legislators could F up a wet dream. Take the win and reopen the government Rand, then fight the good fight on the hemp bill some other time. This is not the time...

Take the hemp crap out. There was no reason to toss that in. It was dirty pool by a neocon to add it.

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Rand Paul just blocked the advancement and is vowing to slow it down because he's against a hemp provision in the agriculture bill that would affect Kentucky's weed farmers. I'm reading he could use procedural processes to slow the final vote down for about 5 days.

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Our GOP legislators could F up a wet dream. Take the win and reopen the government Rand, then fight the good fight on the hemp bill some other time. This is not the time...

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Take it up with whatever dumbass inserted that nonsense into the package to begin with.

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What do the discussions on Obamacare in December entail? Are they going to look at reworking it or getting rid of the parts that drive up prices?

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I fully expect another government shutdown coming.
The Democratic Party leadership has been totally seized by insane lunatics.