samurai_science said:

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Hope it dies in the House

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While I can appreciate the true conservatism coming from this sentiment, the Rs finally won an argument with the Ds with voters, and even the Left is admitting the Rs won this one…

Rs need to take this win and build on it…

Local head shop employees are not aware of the legislation.

FireAg said:

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samurai_science said:

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Hope it dies in the House

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While I can appreciate the true conservatism coming from this sentiment, the Rs finally won an argument with the Ds with voters, and even the Left is admitting the Rs won this one…

Rs need to take this win and build on it…

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That win won't matter when midterms roll around, especially when a 50B industry evaporates. Voters will punish.

Who cares about an argument in Dec…jfc

Though Rs can only lose what 2 votes, it does not appear that even that will happen. May even get a few Ds to support.

The D civil war is afoot. Please cheer their division at every turn.

flown-the-coop said:

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Though Rs can only lose what 2 votes, it does not appear that even that will happen. May even get a few Ds to support.

The D civil war is afoot. Please cheer their division at every turn.

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Not if it's for more regulation, I hope it fails

samurai_science said:

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FireAg said:

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samurai_science said:

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Hope it dies in the House

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While I can appreciate the true conservatism coming from this sentiment, the Rs finally won an argument with the Ds with voters, and even the Left is admitting the Rs won this one…

Rs need to take this win and build on it…

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That win won't matter when midterms roll around, especially when a 50B industry evaporates. Voters will punish

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I disagree…it WILL matter if Rs can take this win (reopened the government without giving in on ACA subsidies), and add more wins to it…

I think the Ds wrongfully convinced themselves that last Tuesday was some "blue wave" when the reality was…most strong blue areas simply got bluer…

When the talking heads in leftwing media are going on record and saying the Ds lost this argument, then the reality is that they lost this argument on a much grander scale than is being reported…the fact that the Left is calling this a loss though…that's huge…now the Rs need to take advantage of it…

flown-the-coop said:

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Though Rs can only lose what 2 votes, it does not appear that even that will happen. May even get a few Ds to support.

The D civil war is afoot. Please cheer their division at every turn.

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The Ds have needed this war for far too long.

If any of the gods are paying attention, may they all help the party crumble to ruins so something better comes out of it.

This country needs more than one party to act like adults, and it's about time for that to happen, even it means a party having to start over from scratch.

FireAg said:

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samurai_science said:

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FireAg said:

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samurai_science said:

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Hope it dies in the House

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While I can appreciate the true conservatism coming from this sentiment, the Rs finally won an argument with the Ds with voters, and even the Left is admitting the Rs won this one…

Rs need to take this win and build on it…

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That win won't matter when midterms roll around, especially when a 50B industry evaporates. Voters will punish

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I disagree…it WILL matter if Rs can take this win (reopened the government without giving in on ACA subsidies), and add more wins to it…

I think the Ds wrongfully convinced themselves that last Tuesday was some "blue wave" when the reality was…most strong blue areas simply got bluer…

When the talking heads in leftwing media are going on record and saying the Ds lost this argument, then the reality is that they lost this argument on a much grander scale than is being reported…the fact that the Left is calling this a loss though…that's huge…now the Rs need to take advantage of it…

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Voters won't remember a year from now and the economy is only getting worse, and adding the evaporation of an entire industry won't help.

Lots of good things with the BBB kick in January 2026. Patience grasshopper.

No Spin Ag said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Though Rs can only lose what 2 votes, it does not appear that even that will happen. May even get a few Ds to support.

The D civil war is afoot. Please cheer their division at every turn.

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The Ds have needed this war for far too long.

If any of the gods are paying attention, may they all help the party crumble to ruins so something better comes out of it.

This country needs more than one party to act like adults, and it's about time for that to happen, even it means a party having to start over from scratch.

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It does appear that the extreme left is now poised to assume control of the modern day Democratic Party...

Nancy is leaving, Chuck is going to be marginalized, and the loons on the extreme left who think XY can be "a girl", are going to carry the banner...

The vast majority of America simply does not identify with these extreme lefties...and it's going to hurt the party...Chuck and Nancy were the last remaining bridges trying to span the gap between progressives and flat out loons...

Hell, when Tim Kaine breaks ranks and votes with the Rs to reopen the government without getting what the far Left was trying to secure, it speaks volumes, IMHO...

We will need to get a sign language interpreter to get Leader Newsom's non-verbal assessment of things.

FireAg said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Though Rs can only lose what 2 votes, it does not appear that even that will happen. May even get a few Ds to support.

The D civil war is afoot. Please cheer their division at every turn.

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The Ds have needed this war for far too long.

If any of the gods are paying attention, may they all help the party crumble to ruins so something better comes out of it.

This country needs more than one party to act like adults, and it's about time for that to happen, even it means a party having to start over from scratch.

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It does appear that the extreme left is now poised to assume control of the modern day Democratic Party...

Nancy is leaving, Chuck is going to be marginalized, and the loons on the extreme left who think XY can be "a girl", are going to carry the banner...

The vast majority of America simply does not identify with these extreme lefties...and it's going to hurt the party...Chuck and Nancy were the last remaining bridges trying to span the gap between progressives and flat out loons...

Hell, when Tim Kaine breaks ranks and votes with the Rs to reopen the government without getting what the far Left was trying to secure, it speaks volumes, IMHO...

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I couldn't agree more. The vast majority of Americans, even ones who not so long ago were proud Democrats like me, have NOTHING in common with the extreme left. They're a pox on the party.

And you know things are getting real when Kaine breaks with the left.

Honestly, the eight who broke should help start the end of the party by becoming independents. IMHO

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40 state AG's pushed this revision and had broad Democrat support. Stop trying to pretend it was some GOP exclusive deal.

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Clean bill huh?

Idgaf what some AGs want. I care what the people want, what our veterans want, what our agriculture businesses want. What our small businesses want.

Look, I don't want chemicals in my hemp derived products. And there are plenty of places above board on this. Sweeping bans instead of regulation is just lazy, ineffective, and clearly corrupt. No one wants this.

Edit: if they want to reschedule Marijuana, do it before this ban. That's a a farce.

I'm confused as to what is left to reopen govt? I thought senate had agreed to a deal?

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I'm confused as to what is left to reopen govt? I thought senate had agreed to a deal?

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It's a different bill than what the House approved. They have to vote on it (simple majority).

then Trump has to sign. Earliest it'll all clear is Wednesday.

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I'm confused as to what is left to reopen govt? I thought senate had agreed to a deal?

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Since the bill changed, it has to get sent back for the House to vote on the new bill - they haven't passed the one the Senate passed, yet.

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Aggie95 said:

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I'm confused as to what is left to reopen govt? I thought senate had agreed to a deal?

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It's a different bill than what the House approved. They have to vote on it (simple majority).

then Trump has to sign. Earliest it'll all clear is Wednesday.

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Yup. Today is a federal holiday. Nothing is open, or would be open, anyway.

There is a good chance that the far left's desire to usurp the OG Democrats makes them weaker. I'm failing to see who is going to be the "glue" that holds the party together that can schmooze and effectively work the back halls of Congress. It takes an extremely shrewd and calculating person to effectively fill that role for either party.

I'm not ready to proclaim this a victory for the better side here, but they are certainly flirting with their own destruction with this civil war of theirs. The IQ levels between the Republican Party and the Democrats is lopsided in favor of Republicans, and the Marxists making their power moves right now are certainly not smart people by and large. There are obviously exceptions to get ahead of some leftist clown that will post some to this reply, but on the whole it's objectively not close.

I never count out the stupidity and fickleness of the American public though. We will vote in Stalin simply to do something different than the last election cycle without thinking through outcomes.

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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Keep it closed. I was enjoying no additional out of control spending.

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Well get ready to pay overtime money to federal employees that now need to catch up on almost most two months of work.

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How many team lunches and smoke breaks is it going to take to make up for being off work for 2 months? Jeebus, no one actually buys that non-essential fed workers who primarily worked from home for half a decade need overtime to catch up after 45 days.

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In my case, I don't do team lunches, I'm not on a team and I don't smoke so I've never taken a smoke break

Ag_SGT said:

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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Keep it closed. I was enjoying no additional out of control spending.

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Well get ready to pay overtime money to federal employees that now need to catch up on almost most two months of work.

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How many team lunches and smoke breaks is it going to take to make up for being off work for 2 months? Jeebus, no one actually buys that non-essential fed workers who primarily worked from home for half a decade need overtime to catch up after 45 days.

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In my case, I don't do team lunches, I'm not on a team and I don't smoke so I've never taken a smoke break

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If you are getting back pay you should not be getting overtime. The backpay is your overtime.

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There is a good chance that the far left's desire to usurp the OG Democrats makes them weaker. I'm failing to see who is going to be the "glue" that holds the party together that can schmooze and effectively work the back halls of Congress. It takes an extremely shrewd and calculating person to effectively fill that role for either party.

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If there is such glue in the Dem party, it would be a Bill Clinton type who was exceptionally skilled at it, although his far left flank 30 years ago wasn't near as prevalent and extreme as today's. Gavin Newsome comes to mind as someone with similar skills, although I personally can't stand the guy for the obvious reasons. But then again, I don't think like a Dem.

We've been in a pattern for a while of enough voters growing tired of whoever's in office that they vote for the other party out of revenge or belief they can't be as bad as the current one. It only takes a couple percentage points of voters to swing it the other way.

I'd be very surprised if we don't see the Dems capture at least one congressional chamber in the midterms. But it's still a year out and plenty of time for things to develop.

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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Keep it closed. I was enjoying no additional out of control spending.

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Well get ready to pay overtime money to federal employees that now need to catch up on almost most two months of work.

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Nah. Most aren't even needed.

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USGS is definitely needed, we are the the gold standard when it comes to national level GIS data

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Keep it closed. I was enjoying no additional out of control spending.

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Well get ready to pay overtime money to federal employees that now need to catch up on almost most two months of work.

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How many team lunches and smoke breaks is it going to take to make up for being off work for 2 months? Jeebus, no one actually buys that non-essential fed workers who primarily worked from home for half a decade need overtime to catch up after 45 days.

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In my case, I don't do team lunches, I'm not on a team and I don't smoke so I've never taken a smoke break

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If you are getting back pay you should not be getting overtime. The backpay is your overtime.

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I would agree, but that isn't how the system works

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There is a good chance that the far left's desire to usurp the OG Democrats makes them weaker. I'm failing to see who is going to be the "glue" that holds the party together that can schmooze and effectively work the back halls of Congress. It takes an extremely shrewd and calculating person to effectively fill that role for either party.

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Amy Klobucher should be who they'll look to as the new Senate leader. Maybe Spartacus.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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Keep it closed. I was enjoying no additional out of control spending.

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Well get ready to pay overtime money to federal employees that now need to catch up on almost most two months of work.

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How many team lunches and smoke breaks is it going to take to make up for being off work for 2 months? Jeebus, no one actually buys that non-essential fed workers who primarily worked from home for half a decade need overtime to catch up after 45 days.

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In my case, I don't do team lunches, I'm not on a team and I don't smoke so I've never taken a smoke break

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If you are getting back pay you should not be getting overtime. The backpay is your overtime.

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I would agree, but that isn't how the system works

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I sent a note to the admin letting them know of this little loophole and to deny overtime wages.

If you are getting backpay for sitting on your arse, you do not get overtime. Not unlike what Trump is proposing on the ATCs.

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There is a good chance that the far left's desire to usurp the OG Democrats makes them weaker. I'm failing to see who is going to be the "glue" that holds the party together that can schmooze and effectively work the back halls of Congress. It takes an extremely shrewd and calculating person to effectively fill that role for either party.

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Amy Klobucher should be who they'll look to as the new Senate leader. Maybe Spartacus.

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First gay black senate leader?

I think they elect the wisdom within Mazy Hirono.

Was it a sternly worded note?

Many are needed. But who isn't needed becomes apparent in times like this.

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Was it a sternly worded note?

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If you don't work, then come back expecting full back pay plus overtime pay to catch up on the work you chose not to do during the shutdown, I think you need to reflect inward if your ethics and morals align with what is supposed to be a "service" government job.

I'm not pointing this at you since you seem to imply this applies to a significant portion of government employees other than yourself.

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Was it a sternly worded note?

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If you don't work, then come back expecting full back pay plus overtime pay to catch up on the work you chose not to do during the shutdown, I think you need to reflect inward if your ethics and morals align with what is supposed to be a "service" government job.

I'm not pointing this at you since you seem to imply this applies to a significant portion of government employees other than yourself.

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I chose not to work? Legally speaking if I did any work I would have been fired

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Was it a sternly worded note?

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If you don't work, then come back expecting full back pay plus overtime pay to catch up on the work you chose not to do during the shutdown, I think you need to reflect inward if your ethics and morals align with what is supposed to be a "service" government job.

I'm not pointing this at you since you seem to imply this applies to a significant portion of government employees other than yourself.

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Oh that's rich. That's not how any of this works. At this point, you're just making up stuff so you can stay mad at government employees.

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Was it a sternly worded note?

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If you don't work, then come back expecting full back pay plus overtime pay to catch up on the work you chose not to do during the shutdown, I think you need to reflect inward if your ethics and morals align with what is supposed to be a "service" government job.

I'm not pointing this at you since you seem to imply this applies to a significant portion of government employees other than yourself.

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I chose not to work? Legally speaking if I did any work I would have been fired

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I said this wasn't directed at your situation. Do you believe that there aren't any people that chose not to work because of the shutdown and are now going to get backpay and expect overtime to catch up? The overtime premise you brought up in the first place.

Flown-the-coop is right. If there was no work getting done during a time period, then the backpay comes in to pay for the work that should have gotten done in that time period but didn't, that back pay is what covers any outside of standard work hours work that needs to be caught up on.

While I agree with your sentiment, legally speaking, what you propose would get me fired

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While I agree with your sentiment, legally speaking, what you propose would get me fired

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You say that. Can you share the email or policy that lays this out?

Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). Recordkeeping: The act requires employers to keep accurate records of wages, hours, and other relevant employment information.