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Guess we will see what shakes out I just have an inkling that it might surprise some people

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What do you think shakes out?

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I think Bragg ends up being light on Luigi

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I think Bragg ends up being light on Luig

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Privileged rich white kid?

Not a chance!

It has already been pointed out on this thread but need a reminder here.

NY state law on murder are goofy in that their degrees of murder charges are not like other states. A second degree murder charge is the highest charge available here from my reading of the law.

So when the indictment comes down and it says second degree murder, that is not Bragg going light on Luigi.

Maybe the feds will step in.

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Maybe the feds will step in.

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Possible but not likely, IMO.

Just to clarify, what NY state law calls capital (or first degree murder) depends on the status of the victim, such as a cop. None of those categories are applicable here. Second degree murder is still an intentional murder and carries up to a life sentence with aggravating circumstances that I believe will apply in this case.

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Maybe the feds will step in.

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If a New York jury acquits (which doesn't seem very likely), then they might be able to drum up their own federal charges and try him in federal court. Maybe for violation of the CEO's civil rights?

Is that about right?

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Maybe for violation of the CEO's civil rights?

Is that about right?

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Is this Luigi guy part of a state government?

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Maybe for violation of the CEO's civil rights?

Is that about right?

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Is this Luigi guy part of a state government?

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These days, charging him with a hate crime might be more popular.

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Maybe for violation of the CEO's civil rights?

Is that about right?

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Is this Luigi guy part of a state government?

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Pelosis dad appointed Luigi's grandfather to an education board position in Baltimore many years ago. There is a family connection there, obviously. So not state, but deep state.

Here you go.

Mangione Pelosi Connection Part 2

On my first thread. I established a weak connection between the Mangione family and the Pelosi family.

Both families were prominent in the Baltimore area.. but had no hard facts proving the families were connected..

Here it is. pic.twitter.com/cglu7Ft6Zk

— Huey Jack (@HueyJackNation) December 12, 2024

And I was just certain that it involved a retired trumpet player

MarkTwain said:

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And I was just certain that it involved a retired trumpet player

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Nah. Chuck is from upstate NY

Stop and consider the Left's 2024 class warfare hero is a trust fund kid more likely to be spending Christmas in Luxembourg with Nancy Pelosi than worrying about paying the heating bill. This story is the 1% murdering the 1%, and people are blowing their cover like someone never…

— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) December 13, 2024

1% vs 1% is fine too.

Figured it was usually motorcycle cosplay, but politicians are a fun twist.

M Moore, AOC and Bernie can go F themselves with there "yeah, it's terrible BUT." There's no BUT that is justified. They are so Fcking stupid they don't think if we had government HC a LOT more people would be angry at government HC. Then they would be the targets.

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Stop and consider the Left's 2024 class warfare hero is a trust fund kid more likely to be spending Christmas in Luxembourg with Nancy Pelosi than worrying about paying the heating bill. This story is the 1% murdering the 1%, and people are blowing their cover like someone never…

— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) December 13, 2024

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Steve obviously hasn't seen the plethora of posts from people on the right who see the kid as a class warfare hero as well.

I get there are people (talking heads, social media people like Steve, etc.) who need for everyone to be divided so they can keep getting their views and likes from one side. FOr some, that's even how they keep making money.

But to pretend only the left sees what happened to this CEO and how they see the health insurance companies in a negative light is a pathetic attempt to keep everyone divided.

The murder of the CEO shows that in this one thing, there are people on both sides who have seen the end result of insurance companies putting profit before helping those in need. Or does no one on the right not know or have had a loved one denied approval for a medical procedure that caused their person great suffering (physical or financial, or death)?

Just like it's Okay to say negative things about politicians on your side, it's also Okay to admit there are things you have in common with people on the other side because, at least in this case, there are more folks on the right than people thought there would be who fee the same as the ones on the left about this kid and the CEO.

I think everybody agrees that this is a problem. Everybody has felt screwed by healthcare at some point in their lives and when they profit like is listed below, people are ok.

I think the real question is, "What does it say about your industry and the way you do business, when people from all walks of life are ok with you being murdered in cold blood?"

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Not many are saying it's justified.

Many are just apathetic to his plight. Don't really care what his colleagues say about him.

Not only being in an industry but LEADING an industry in which the path to wealth is literally through creating and finding ways to screw people over and allow them to die legally is not a very moral life choice. And yes....that is the literal mission of every health insurer in the US. He didn't have to go into that business to make his millions. He chose to enter a crooked industry where legally ****ing over you customers is THE path to success.

I mean I could be wrong.....but i don't believe his stated goal or mission statement as CEO of UHC was to insure the greatest number of people and find a way to be profitable while funding the best treatment for his customers......

Was it?

His plight? He's ****ing dead

Don't sugarcoat it. Some losers are apathetic to cold blooded murder. People like this need to reevaluate their own pathetic lives

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I think everybody agrees that this is a problem. Everybody has felt screwed by healthcare at some point in their lives and when they profit like is listed below, people are ok.

I think the real question is, "What does it say about your industry and the way you do business, when people from all walks of life are ok with you being murdered in cold blood?"

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This needs more context. Like what percent of revenue?

Every time I hear corps "pay no taxes", I wonder how much payroll, fica, property taxes and fees they pay. Not to mention how much taxes their employees pay.

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Be as cynical as you want, but the latter is basically their mission statement . But hey, F them and everyone that works there or for any other insurance company. We should all be apathetic when any of them die, right?

I'd be 100% good with them all pulling back, selling $50k deductible policies, and then letting the world sort itself out. People seem to want that, so let's ****ing go. Let's see how that works out for the health of America. Put the cost of being an unhealthy slob back on the unhealthy slob who caused it. I'd be 100% good with that structure.

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That's the irony. You don't have to buy health insurance. Every health care provider has a cash price and if you think that's a better deal than insurance, you're free to go that route. That nobody does is telling.

Me too.

Insurance in the healthcare arena changed from being a situation where it helped you afford treatment that was so expensive it would be impossible to pay

To being expected to pay for EVERYTHING.

This came about largely because the government started giving tax breaks to companies for providing this benefit so companies started to offer this as part of their "total compensation" packages....

Which tied it directly to employment instead of something you ahd to individually shop for.

Then because it became so commonplace, all doctors and hospitals hod to create a method of filing claims for every service they provide.

And because everyone in America is sick to some extent be it diabetes, heart disease, cancer, alopecia, lupus....you name it, health insurers and big pharma got together to collude and scratch each other's backs.... ya know...the whole opiod epidemic and congress encouraged and allowed the creation of artificial regional monopolies in both drugs and healthcare...because **** competition

But let's force insurers to cover everything from abortion to sex change operations......

All so that the hospitals have to charge 200 bucks for a Tylenol so the insurance companies can adjust it down to 50....

Ya know so the hospitals can cover the cost of stabilizing all the illegals and homeless who show up at the ER and can't pay.

The whole set up is ridiculous.

But back to your post......

You claim as CEO of UHC his mission statement was to cover and provide insurance to people at an affordable price and not use the common health insurer tactic of claim denial.

If you could provide evidence of such a thing I would appreciate it.

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Be as cynical as you want, but the latter is basically their mission statement . But hey, F them and everyone that works there or for any other insurance company. We should all be apathetic when any of them die, right?

I'd be 100% good with them all pulling back, selling $50k deductible policies, and then letting the world sort itself out. People seem to want that, so let's ****ing go. Let's see how that works out for the health of America. Put the cost of being an unhealthy slob back on the unhealthy slob who caused it. I'd be 100% good with that structure.

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That's the irony. You don't have to buy health insurance. Every health care provider has a cash price and if you think that's a better deal than insurance, you're free to go that route. That nobody does is telling.

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This!!!

I have to have ejections in my knee once a month. It's cheaper to pay cash price than use my insurance.

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Be as cynical as you want, but the latter is basically their mission statement . But hey, F them and everyone that works there or for any other insurance company. We should all be apathetic when any of them die, right?

I'd be 100% good with them all pulling back, selling $50k deductible policies, and then letting the world sort itself out. People seem to want that, so let's ****ing go. Let's see how that works out for the health of America. Put the cost of being an unhealthy slob back on the unhealthy slob who caused it. I'd be 100% good with that structure.

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That's the irony. You don't have to buy health insurance. Every health care provider has a cash price and if you think that's a better deal than insurance, you're free to go that route. That nobody does is telling.

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You show a fundamental lack of understanding regarding how insurance has fundamentally changed the health industry

If you walk into a hospital amd tell them you want an MRI amd want to pay cash they couldn't even wrote you a price.

All providers have such Jerry rigged a list of their services, with different contracted rates and coverages based on whether u are Medicare, medicaid, or which of the 50 regional insurers are out there.

It's a total ****ing shell game with insurers trying to negotiate down the most common services to save money and providers overcharging on their "cash price" of services knowing that insurers will take the higher price the providers quite and negotiate it down by 50 or 60%.

So what that means is that the uninsured are forced by the rules of the game to pay 50-60% more than everyone else....

The Way the system is set up now unless you are a part of the shell game you get ****ed over.

Not that hard to google United Healthcare mission statement

https://www.uhc.com/about-us#:~:text=At%20UnitedHealthcare%2C%20our%20mission%20is,working%20years%20and%20through%20retirement.

And you absolutely can cash pay for an MRI in most cases. Just don't expect a best of both worlds scenario where you pay a cash price but then try to apply it to your policy in some way

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Flugelhorn.

CRAZY BERNIE: "Shooting somebody in the back is totally unacceptable, but....." 🥴 pic.twitter.com/HlAUhqIVw6

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) December 15, 2024

BUT? Don't shoot people in the back, BUT?

To the Left, this cold blooded killer who shot an innocent man in the back is a hero while Daniel Penny is a vile racist murderer

If that doesn't spell out the sick, twisted mentality of the Left and why we need a National divorce then nothing ever will

Today's dangerous cultural development is hate being encouraged as long as you label the entity you hate an oppressor.

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CRAZY BERNIE: "Shooting somebody in the back is totally unacceptable, but....." 🥴 pic.twitter.com/HlAUhqIVw6

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) December 15, 2024

BUT? Don't shoot people in the back, BUT?

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I'm no Bernie fan, but getting upset over that comment is feigned outrage.

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Coward

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I mean despicable and disgraceful but I think he did something dangerous and endured the results (and will continue to) but was hardly timid

POS but not exactly cowardly with a reprehensible assassination

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He shot a man in the back, and then ran away.

That is about as cowardly as they come!

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Great minds think alike!

Trump denounces Luigi.

“How people can like this guy. That’s a sickness actually. Especially the way it was done. Right in the back.”

First person I’ve seen discuss the cowardice of shooting from behind.

Trump for all his flaws knows an enemy of civilization when he sees him. pic.twitter.com/cyYqbGlHPg

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) December 16, 2024

Luigi the Cowardly Loser