United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC

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Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.
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94chem said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.



How about birth? Is that a right?


Tom?
94chem,
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DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


What do you think of the VA? You wanna go there and have that be your medical care?
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DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.
Wow, some people are so damn naive and believe all the fairy tales. Our healthcare system has major issues, but doing what you suggest would destroy it in 5 years.
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DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


You want our federal government in control of your healthcare?
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aTm2004 said:

Psycho Bunny said:

aTm2004 said:

FYI...I'm not celebrating his death. But knowing what his company and his competitor's companies do makes me not care. There is a difference.

We will find out the why, and I do hope it is the reason many of us are thinking it is so hopefully they'll take a pause and look at their business practices and make a change.


A billion dollar insurance company is going to change their ways. That's hilarious. I needed a good laugh.
It's like the flag in golf...there for hope. A Christmas miracle perhaps?

Well well well…

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William Foster said:

Dicer said:

I think this is all one giant government psyop to scare us plebians. Thompson was the target for other reasons and this "suspect" is just a patsy to keep things moving. Just my .02
If we're going to ponder psy-ops...I do actually wonder how much of the online sentiment on places like Texags/Tiger Droppings/Twitter/Reddit etc. is monitored in the immediate wake of such events to guage just how harsh the general public sentiment is against the elite. Even most of us who believe it was wrong are like "meh, these insurance companies are soulless and have f***ed over me/my wife/my child/my mother etc etc".

If they have the means, the truly elite and diabolical would be fools not to do this type of data collection just to always keep a finger on the pulse, and maneuver accordingly.


After the Snowden/NSA disclosures under Obama, God only knows what they monitor now. Which reminds me…Peter Thiel, who birthed JD Vance's VP campaign -

https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/320592-palantir-helped-support-nsa-spy-program-xkeyscore-report/amp/


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aTm2004 said:

aTm2004 said:

Psycho Bunny said:

aTm2004 said:

FYI...I'm not celebrating his death. But knowing what his company and his competitor's companies do makes me not care. There is a difference.

We will find out the why, and I do hope it is the reason many of us are thinking it is so hopefully they'll take a pause and look at their business practices and make a change.


A billion dollar insurance company is going to change their ways. That's hilarious. I needed a good laugh.
It's like the flag in golf...there for hope. A Christmas miracle perhaps?

Well well well…




Guessing the CEO made a few calls to button that up quickly.
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TAMUallen said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


What do you think of the VA? You wanna go there and have that be your medical care?
I know people who love the VA. From what I've heard, the VA in Amarillo is generally considered to be pretty good.
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aTm2004 said:

aTm2004 said:

Psycho Bunny said:

aTm2004 said:

FYI...I'm not celebrating his death. But knowing what his company and his competitor's companies do makes me not care. There is a difference.

We will find out the why, and I do hope it is the reason many of us are thinking it is so hopefully they'll take a pause and look at their business practices and make a change.


A billion dollar insurance company is going to change their ways. That's hilarious. I needed a good laugh.
It's like the flag in golf...there for hope. A Christmas miracle perhaps?

Well well well…




This is like the sips throwing bottles onto the field but at a whole different level
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So…I guess it does work?
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eric76 said:

TAMUallen said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


What do you think of the VA? You wanna go there and have that be your medical care?
I know people who love the VA. From what I've heard, the VA in Amarillo is generally considered to be pretty good.


Of course that's your thought. My goodness. There's entire movies and series that focus on how bad it is but you're a fan. You're certainly not a person who has ever used the VA
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TAMUallen said:

aTm2004 said:

The most clear pic of the suspect yet.




If that's it... it's a chick.

What world are we living in?!
A chick named Killary.
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TAMUallen said:

eric76 said:

TAMUallen said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


What do you think of the VA? You wanna go there and have that be your medical care?
I know people who love the VA. From what I've heard, the VA in Amarillo is generally considered to be pretty good.


Of course that's your thought. My goodness. There's entire movies and series that focus on how bad it is but you're a fan. You're certainly not a person who has ever used the VA
His role on here is contrarian. And he is highly devoted.
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TAMUallen said:

Dicer said:




That'd imply they really know who it is


What led them to believe it's fake?
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MsDoubleD81 said:

TAMUallen said:

Dicer said:




That'd imply they really know who it is


What led them to believe it's fake?


That'd be easy. Run the license number and see it either doesn't exist or doesn't match up to the ID on record
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TAMUallen said:

eric76 said:

TAMUallen said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


What do you think of the VA? You wanna go there and have that be your medical care?
I know people who love the VA. From what I've heard, the VA in Amarillo is generally considered to be pretty good.


Of course that's your thought. My goodness. There's entire movies and series that focus on how bad it is but you're a fan. You're certainly not a person who has ever used the VA
What the hell are you talking about?

I damn sure know people around here who love the VA.

My impression from others in other areas is that it can really vary depending on where you are located.
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eric76 said:

TAMUallen said:

eric76 said:

TAMUallen said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


What do you think of the VA? You wanna go there and have that be your medical care?
I know people who love the VA. From what I've heard, the VA in Amarillo is generally considered to be pretty good.


Of course that's your thought. My goodness. There's entire movies and series that focus on how bad it is but you're a fan. You're certainly not a person who has ever used the VA
What the hell are you talking about?

I damn sure know people around here who love the VA.

My impression from others in other areas is that it can really vary depending on where you are located.


You've never used the VA, anywhere. I'll let others eat you alive, troll
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Is the Starbucks thing real? Or is this misreported or fake? I've read multiple timelines of events now leading up to the shooting.

Why the hell would someone who went through this much trouble to not get identified…but yet stop in for coffee nearby without the mask. It makes zero sense.
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DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.
This post is full of the dumb.
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94chem said:

94chem said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.



How about birth? Is that a right?


Tom?


I'm not sure I understand your question. If it is do you have the right to not be murdered in the womb? Then, yes. That is a constitutionally protected interest in my opinion.

If the question is do you have the right to make someone else pay for your prenatal care and delivery? Then, no.

You can get all of the medical care that you, your family, a fundraiser, or a charity can pay for. It should not be permissible to vote for the government to force other Americans at the barrel of a gun through taxation to pay for your individual family needs.

If people want to voluntarily donate for that, put a spot on the tax return for them to do so.
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TAMUallen said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


What do you think of the VA? You wanna go there and have that be your medical care?
Or the post office, or the DMV, or the social security office, or ANY OTHER THING THE GOVERNMENT TOUCHES that turns to ***** I want the government as far away as possible from my healthcare.
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Let's not turn this into a troll fest

Eta: not talking about martin
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DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


Cool. I do not agree with you. I'd rather just pay for me and mine and eliminate the government from the healthcare market entirely.

No EMTALA nor medicaid.
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Cool. Now step down off your philosophical high horse and join the real world. What should be done with children who are born disabled and are lifelong wards of the state? I could list a hundred examples, but I won't. Your logical fallacy isn't really worth pursuing to the end point. Perhaps you are young and can afford to be completely ideologically driven because you haven't seen enough things. But perhaps you could visit a country where they choose not to care for the most vulnerable people, and see for yourself how that looks. Feel free to restrict yourself to wealthy countries. Feel free to even look at some parts of the US.
94chem,
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94chem said:

Cool. Now step down off your philosophical high horse and join the real world. What should be done with children who are born disabled and are lifelong wards of the state? I could list a hundred examples, but I won't. Your logical fallacy isn't really worth pursuing to the end point. Perhaps you are young and can afford to be completely ideologically driven because you haven't seen enough things. But perhaps you could visit a country where they choose not to care for the most vulnerable people, and see for yourself how that looks. Feel free to restrict yourself to wealthy countries. Feel free to even look at some parts of the US.
You can volunteer as much of your income as you want to help.

But don't volunteer mine.

Pretty simple concept.
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TAMUallen said:

eric76 said:

TAMUallen said:

eric76 said:

TAMUallen said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


What do you think of the VA? You wanna go there and have that be your medical care?
I know people who love the VA. From what I've heard, the VA in Amarillo is generally considered to be pretty good.


Of course that's your thought. My goodness. There's entire movies and series that focus on how bad it is but you're a fan. You're certainly not a person who has ever used the VA
What the hell are you talking about?

I damn sure know people around here who love the VA.

My impression from others in other areas is that it can really vary depending on where you are located.


You've never used the VA, anywhere. I'll let others eat you alive, troll
One guy who lives about two blocks from office is a big fan of the VA. He likes it enough that he would rather drive to Amarillo to go to the VA hospital there than to drive to the nearest doctor's office here.

He told me once that he has friends from around Oklahoma City who have had nothing but problems with the VA hospital there and wish that the one in Oklahoma City was like the one in Amarillo.

I will believe close friends who have used the VA for years.

If you want to see a troll, look in your bathroom mirror.
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Can we have a discussion about what to do with our s***show healthcare system in another thread?
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94chem said:

Cool. Now step down off your philosophical high horse and join the real world. What should be done with children who are born disabled and are lifelong wards of the state? I could list a hundred examples, but I won't. Your logical fallacy isn't really worth pursuing to the end point. Perhaps you are young and can afford to be completely ideologically driven because you haven't seen enough things. But perhaps you could visit a country where they choose not to care for the most vulnerable people, and see for yourself how that looks. Feel free to restrict yourself to wealthy countries. Feel free to even look at some parts of the US.
What happened to them 100 years ago?

I am 50 years old. Deployed to Iraq 3x and East Africa. I was in law enforcement for over a decade. I have seen plenty of abject poverty.

I just do not care to pay for them. I pay a quarter of a million dollars annually just in fed income taxes. The bottom 50% pay almost net zero. I am over it. I should get to decide where and when my charity gets spent. We are not socialists here in America. At least I thought that we were not.

If we are going to collectively decide to fund this, everyone should pay the exact same net fed income tax rate and see if we still have the appetite to do this. Otherwise it is foisted on me by those not paying their fair share.
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Gig em G said:

Can we have a discussion about what to do with our s***show healthcare system in another thread?


Seconded
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We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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Gig em G said:

Can we have a discussion about what to do with our s***show healthcare system in another thread?
Yes. Sorry.
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Quote:

Police believe the shooter used a B&T Station Six, known in Great Britain as a Welrod pistol, according to police sources. The gun doesn't have a silencer but does have a long barrel that enables the 9 mm to fire a nearly silent shot. The gun requires manually cycling ammunition from the magazine.

The weapon is not easily attainable so investigators have been running down all recent purchases, according to police sources. NYPD detectives arrived Thursday at a gun shop in Connecticut that sold a weapon of the same type, sources said.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=116475329

It was a bolt action pistol, the shooter wasn't clearing jams.
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It does look like he was pulling a bolt back. I guess they hit a dead end on the camera footage and now they are looking at gun purchases?
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So you're telling me the "assassin" didn't obey New Yorks strict gun laws? It would appear this type of gun was purchased outside of the state. Stand by for the left to seize this opportunity to try and push through more useless laws.
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P.H. Dexippus said:

Quote:

Police believe the shooter used a B&T Station Six, known in Great Britain as a Welrod pistol, according to police sources. The gun doesn't have a silencer but does have a long barrel that enables the 9 mm to fire a nearly silent shot. The gun requires manually cycling ammunition from the magazine.

The weapon is not easily attainable so investigators have been running down all recent purchases, according to police sources. NYPD detectives arrived Thursday at a gun shop in Connecticut that sold a weapon of the same type, sources said.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=116475329

It was a bolt action pistol, the shooter wasn't clearing jams.

I don't think this was the weapon. You can see the slide cycle during the first shot. Plus, gunman isn't pulling the slide very far back to clear the jam. In the video below, it seems like there's a lot more to cycling the weapon than what shooting video shows.

 
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