United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC

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aTm2004 said:

FYI...I'm not celebrating his death. But knowing what his company and his competitor's companies do makes me not care. There is a difference.

We will find out the why, and I do hope it is the reason many of us are thinking it is so hopefully they'll take a pause and look at their business practices and make a change.


A billion dollar insurance company is going to change their ways. That's hilarious. I needed a good laugh.
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ac04 said:





Ha Ha, that's crazy!
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ac04 said:


Mr. Walz
1) has way too much free time
2) has a very random and peculiar hobby
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TheEternalOptimist said:

aTm2004 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

Imagine ruining your life and your family's life just to kill a CEO. That's really sticking it to the man. Only for the company to put a new CEO in its place, who might just be worse than the previous CEO.

Now you are in jail for murder and the CEOs wife can now sue your family for damages. Not that CEOs wife will ever see any money? The fact that your family's life is now ruined

Hope those three day old sandwiches, you'll be eating while sitting in jail was worth it.


Scenario:

I pay my premium for myself and my 6yo son. I never miss a payment and go to in network providers, etc, etc. My son gets diagnosed with something normally covered and, because reasons, he gets denied care and dies.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine while I reminisce about how the scum sucking CEO is 6 fee under.
Or a second scenario:

You pay your premiums and you never miss a payment, go to in network providers, etc. You're diagnosed with a terminal illness and there is a new treatment that is showing promise that is curing and/or extending the life of those with the treatment, but because of reasons, your insurance provider denies it and you just had your last Thanksgiving.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine for the months you have left while you laugh about that scum sucking CEO beating you to the dirt.

A man with a grudge who knows his life is ending soon and has nothing to lose is very dangerous. I'm honestly shocked it hasn't happened before.
Scenario is still immoral response to a questionably immoral situation. The CEO does not have %100 knowledge and understanding of every single denial or insurance dispute.

I was rejected for a treatment for my severe illness by Aetna. I did not ever think of murder. Not even once.
Never said it wasn't immoral, Just pointing out a plausible scenario. I know we all think we'll act a certain way in any given situation, but until we actually experience it, we really never know.
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Psycho Bunny said:

aTm2004 said:

FYI...I'm not celebrating his death. But knowing what his company and his competitor's companies do makes me not care. There is a difference.

We will find out the why, and I do hope it is the reason many of us are thinking it is so hopefully they'll take a pause and look at their business practices and make a change.


A billion dollar insurance company is going to change their ways. That's hilarious. I needed a good laugh.
It's like the flag in golf...there for hope. A Christmas miracle perhaps?
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ac04 said:




That's only if he got the bike from the dock then right? Isn't it possible he already had the bike from another dock?
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GAC06 said:

ac04 said:




That's only if he got the bike from the dock then right? Isn't it possible he already had the bike from another dock?
I thought the video shows him initially arriving and departing on foot.
Unless he arrived earlier on the bike and parked it a bit away?

What happens to the bikes if they're parked for a certain amount of time not on a dock?
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And interestingly, UHC stock is up 7%
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While we are all assuming he was murdered because he is CEO of mega health insurance company, I would be interested to know the comings and goings of his personal life.

Maybe he cheated on his wife? Maybe his wife didn't want to wait any longer to cash-in on the life insurance policy, trust, will, etc.?


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GAC06 said:

ac04 said:




That's only if he got the bike from the dock then right? Isn't it possible he already had the bike from another dock?

That makes way more sense. He's not going to take a chance that a bike is not available at the dock for his get away.
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Signel said:

I worked for UHG for years.. well over a decade. Evil in the name of profit is what it is. Vertical integration across all health industries means monopoly. They might have different names for various portions of the work but their #1 goal has always been becoming the only game in town as we move towards universal healthcare.

  • Insurance
  • doctors practices
  • revenue cycle management (billing)
  • hospital chains
  • pharmacies
  • lab companies
  • surgery centers
  • diagnostic systems tools etc
  • managed care
  • prescription plans.. optumRX
  • banks (Optum Bank....)

They literally own the entire market and bill and pay themselves.. Guess who gets screwed on insurance plans when the Insurance company owns the docs, the policy, and the billing?

No, it doesn't surprise me at all that someone targeted him. The only thing that surprises me is that our federal government hasn't stopped the vertical integration of healthcare.

All of this is true. Who do you think has the most lobbyists and consistently lines the pockets of politicians on both sides of the aisle?
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Signel said:

I worked for UHG for years.. well over a decade. Evil in the name of profit is what it is. Vertical integration across all health industries means monopoly. They might have different names for various portions of the work but their #1 goal has always been becoming the only game in town as we move towards universal healthcare.

  • Insurance
  • doctors practices
  • revenue cycle management (billing)
  • hospital chains
  • pharmacies
  • lab companies
  • surgery centers
  • diagnostic systems tools etc
  • managed care
  • prescription plans.. optumRX
  • banks (Optum Bank....)

They literally own the entire market and bill and pay themselves.. Guess who gets screwed on insurance plans when the Insurance company owns the docs, the policy, and the billing?

No, it doesn't surprise me at all that someone targeted him. The only thing that surprises me is that our federal government hasn't stopped the vertical integration of healthcare.

Thank you for the post, I was not aware this was the case.
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Could having to pay a $572 copay for a 90 day supply of Xarelto when the last 90 day supply was $141 have anything to do with it?
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Watch this have nothing to do with his work and he was messing around with some other wealthy guys wife.
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Rattler12 said:

Could having to pay a $572 copay for a 90 day supply of Xarelto when the last 90 day supply was $141 have anything to do with it?


Good lord
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Mark Stoops said:

Rattler12 said:

Could having to pay a $572 copay for a 90 day supply of Xarelto when the last 90 day supply was $141 have anything to do with it?


Good lord
I meant to say Good Lord when I went to pick up the prescription but what came out sounded more like Holy Spit
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How do y'all think people will react if bankers tank the economy again like they did in 2008?

But this time there is no bail out, banks fail, and everyone loses their life savings......




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The Rentier class is not ready for the wave of populism that is about to hit the country. There is going to be a lot of collateral damage from people who are sick of being trodden on by Big Finance and Big Industry.

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TheEternalOptimist said:

aTm2004 said:

BigRobSA said:

Psycho Bunny said:

Imagine ruining your life and your family's life just to kill a CEO. That's really sticking it to the man. Only for the company to put a new CEO in its place, who might just be worse than the previous CEO.

Now you are in jail for murder and the CEOs wife can now sue your family for damages. Not that CEOs wife will ever see any money? The fact that your family's life is now ruined

Hope those three day old sandwiches, you'll be eating while sitting in jail was worth it.


Scenario:

I pay my premium for myself and my 6yo son. I never miss a payment and go to in network providers, etc, etc. My son gets diagnosed with something normally covered and, because reasons, he gets denied care and dies.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine while I reminisce about how the scum sucking CEO is 6 fee under.
Or a second scenario:

You pay your premiums and you never miss a payment, go to in network providers, etc. You're diagnosed with a terminal illness and there is a new treatment that is showing promise that is curing and/or extending the life of those with the treatment, but because of reasons, your insurance provider denies it and you just had your last Thanksgiving.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine for the months you have left while you laugh about that scum sucking CEO beating you to the dirt.

A man with a grudge who knows his life is ending soon and has nothing to lose is very dangerous. I'm honestly shocked it hasn't happened before.
Scenario is still immoral response to a questionably immoral situation. The CEO does not have %100 knowledge and understanding of every single denial or insurance dispute.

I was rejected for a treatment for my severe illness by Aetna. I did not ever think of murder. Not even once.


Never claimed any morality in my scenario, but **** with my kid's life and my morals go bye-bye.

And no, not condoning any sort of violence , just positing a scenario I could see happening.
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Idiot mainstream news keeps repeating that he had a "silencer", even fox. Agenda already engaged.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

aTm2004 said:

BigRobSA said:

Psycho Bunny said:

Imagine ruining your life and your family's life just to kill a CEO. That's really sticking it to the man. Only for the company to put a new CEO in its place, who might just be worse than the previous CEO.

Now you are in jail for murder and the CEOs wife can now sue your family for damages. Not that CEOs wife will ever see any money? The fact that your family's life is now ruined

Hope those three day old sandwiches, you'll be eating while sitting in jail was worth it.


Scenario:

I pay my premium for myself and my 6yo son. I never miss a payment and go to in network providers, etc, etc. My son gets diagnosed with something normally covered and, because reasons, he gets denied care and dies.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine while I reminisce about how the scum sucking CEO is 6 fee under.
Or a second scenario:

You pay your premiums and you never miss a payment, go to in network providers, etc. You're diagnosed with a terminal illness and there is a new treatment that is showing promise that is curing and/or extending the life of those with the treatment, but because of reasons, your insurance provider denies it and you just had your last Thanksgiving.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine for the months you have left while you laugh about that scum sucking CEO beating you to the dirt.

A man with a grudge who knows his life is ending soon and has nothing to lose is very dangerous. I'm honestly shocked it hasn't happened before.
Scenario is still immoral response to a questionably immoral situation. The CEO does not have %100 knowledge and understanding of every single denial or insurance dispute.

I was rejected for a treatment for my severe illness by Aetna. I did not ever think of murder. Not even once.
If this even has anything to do with UHC screwing anyone over (actually or perceived), I highly doubt the shooter was the isured subject. More likely to involve the death of someone he loved...if this is the hypothetical scenario. Who knows, the CEO could have owed the wrong people. Could be an actual contracted hit.

Obviously nothing justifies this...would just find the shooting less sprurising if something like that turned out to be the case.
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ttu_85 said:

texagbeliever said:

Dicer said:

That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off

Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?

Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.

But...

Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.

Like I said odd.
Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.
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Krombopulos Michael said:



How do y'all think people will react if bankers tank the economy again like they did in 2008?

But this time there is no bail out, banks fail, and everyone loses their life savings......







Tom Clancy had a video game with that exact plot. Wall Street high society types were taken hostage by a group of domestic terrorists who wanted to bring back stability to the people. Unfortunately it was scrapped for obvious reasons. Rainbow Six Patriots. There's a couple of videos on YouTube about it. Certainly would be a grey area of morality
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Maybe I'm overthinking this - but a semi with subs will have obvious cycling issues.....so why not use a revolver?

Someone that calm and collected has obvious spent "some" time around pistols and seemingly would know this?
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BlueSmoke said:

ttu_85 said:

texagbeliever said:

Dicer said:

That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off

Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?

Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.

But...

Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.

Like I said odd.
Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.


Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan
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GAC06 said:

BlueSmoke said:

ttu_85 said:

texagbeliever said:

Dicer said:

That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off

Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?

Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.

But...

Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.

Like I said odd.
Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.


Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan
Jason Bourne would....
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Kenneth_2003 said:

ac04 said:


Mr. Walz
1) has way too much free time
2) has a very random and peculiar hobby
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GAC06 said:

BlueSmoke said:

ttu_85 said:

texagbeliever said:

Dicer said:

That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off

Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?

Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.

But...

Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.

Like I said odd.
Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.


Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan

If I were an assassin, I would use a .22 or 9mm suppressed PCC with some type of catch-bag.

Although, what are the odds they are able to get anything of value from the casings if he even took the most basic of precautions?
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BlueSmoke said:

Maybe I'm overthinking this - but a semi with subs will have obvious cycling issues.....so why not use a revolver?

Someone that calm and collected has obvious spent "some" time around pistols and seemingly would know this?
Suppressors don't work as well with revolvers when it comes to reducing the sound, due to the space between the cylinder and the barrel.
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William Foster said:

GAC06 said:

BlueSmoke said:

ttu_85 said:

texagbeliever said:

Dicer said:

That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off

Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?

Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.

But...

Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.

Like I said odd.
Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.


Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan

If I were an assassin, I would use a .22 or 9mm suppressed PCC with some type of catch-bag.

Although, what are the odds they are able to get anything of value from the casings if he even took the most basic of precautions?
A professional would have taken him out without any witnesses, knowing how the avoid cameras, and have a better way to leave the area than a rented, electric bike.

Mossad uses a suppressed .22 short as a favorite assassination weapon.

Also, .45ACP is favored by the US military as it is naturally subsonic compared to 9mm. That is why the H&K Mark-23 is designed to specifically be used with a suppressor.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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William Foster said:

GAC06 said:

BlueSmoke said:

ttu_85 said:

texagbeliever said:

Dicer said:

That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off

Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?

Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.

But...

Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.

Like I said odd.
Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.


Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan

If I were an assassin, I would use a .22 or 9mm suppressed PCC with some type of catch-bag.

Although, what are the odds they are able to get anything of value from the casings if he even took the most basic of precautions?


Fingerprints and maybe tracing the ammo if it was some rare ammo are all they'll get from the casings most likely. Not getting fingerprints on them would be a pretty basic step.

I was referring to the spent rounds actually fired and potentially in the victim, which could still be used to identify the weapon
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Assuming he used a burner phone and visa gift card, an ebike seems like a fantastic getaway vehicle for a metro area.
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How would a disgruntled insurance member/family know where Thompson would be this AM?

When I'm traveling (He lives in MN?) for business, very few if any will know my whereabouts at any given time. Those who would know would be someone with access to my calendar or someone who's in the meeting with me. Even my family wouldn't know exact time and location of my whereabouts.

So a close insider had to have tipped off the shooter.
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Rapier108 said:

William Foster said:

GAC06 said:

BlueSmoke said:

ttu_85 said:

texagbeliever said:

Dicer said:

That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off

Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?

Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.

But...

Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.

Like I said odd.
Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.


Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan

If I were an assassin, I would use a .22 or 9mm suppressed PCC with some type of catch-bag.

Although, what are the odds they are able to get anything of value from the casings if he even took the most basic of precautions?
A professional would have taken him out without any witnesses, knowing how the avoid cameras, and have a better way to leave the area than a rented, electric bike.

Mossad uses a suppressed .22 short as a favorite assassination weapon.

Also, .45ACP is favored by the US military as it is naturally subsonic compared to 9mm. That is why the H&K Mark-23 is designed to specifically be used with a suppressor.
There are varying degrees of "professional"...big delta between coked up nephew of a mob boss and Mossad spy.

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William Foster said:

TheEternalOptimist said:

aTm2004 said:

BigRobSA said:

Psycho Bunny said:

Imagine ruining your life and your family's life just to kill a CEO. That's really sticking it to the man. Only for the company to put a new CEO in its place, who might just be worse than the previous CEO.

Now you are in jail for murder and the CEOs wife can now sue your family for damages. Not that CEOs wife will ever see any money? The fact that your family's life is now ruined

Hope those three day old sandwiches, you'll be eating while sitting in jail was worth it.


Scenario:

I pay my premium for myself and my 6yo son. I never miss a payment and go to in network providers, etc, etc. My son gets diagnosed with something normally covered and, because reasons, he gets denied care and dies.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine while I reminisce about how the scum sucking CEO is 6 fee under.
Or a second scenario:

You pay your premiums and you never miss a payment, go to in network providers, etc. You're diagnosed with a terminal illness and there is a new treatment that is showing promise that is curing and/or extending the life of those with the treatment, but because of reasons, your insurance provider denies it and you just had your last Thanksgiving.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine for the months you have left while you laugh about that scum sucking CEO beating you to the dirt.

A man with a grudge who knows his life is ending soon and has nothing to lose is very dangerous. I'm honestly shocked it hasn't happened before.
Scenario is still immoral response to a questionably immoral situation. The CEO does not have %100 knowledge and understanding of every single denial or insurance dispute.

I was rejected for a treatment for my severe illness by Aetna. I did not ever think of murder. Not even once.
Obviously nothing justifies this...would just find the shooting less sprurising if something like that turned out to be the case.
There are definitely things that justify this, even if they don't make it legal. Not saying those things exist in this scenario, but they do exist.
 
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