Fighting extradition will not be successful but it will delay getting him back to NY and arraigned on murder charges, among others. Be about a month or a month and half.MsDoubleD81 said:
He's got an attorney now.
At one point, Mangione's lawyer began telling the judge that his client may have been wearing a medical mask when he was arrested because of fears of Covid-19. Mangione, sitting near his lawyer, began to say "I bought the mask " and was quickly interrupted by his lawyer, who shushed him and said "No, no. Don't say a word."
Mangione's lawyer also asked the judge to set bail, which the judge refused to do. Mangione will continue to be held at a Pennsylvania prison as his extradition proceedings continue.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/10/nyregion/unitedhealthcare-ceo-luigi-mangione
Ballistics matching the gun to the bullets that struck Thompson.Gig em G said:
What evidence is needed to convict him of murder? Would a murder weapon in your possession be enough for a conviction? What about the possibility the weapon could be passed to an accomplice?
I'm not saying he didn't do this. But I'm also not totally convinced he was working alone unless NYPD says otherwise and provides more evidence that he was and pulled the trigger. He definitely had some intel about when and from which exit Thompson would be leaving the hotel.
Gig em G said:
What evidence is needed to convict him of murder? Would a murder weapon in your possession be enough for a conviction? What about the possibility the weapon could be passed to an accomplice?
I'm not saying he didn't do this. But I'm also not totally convinced he was working alone unless NYPD says otherwise and provides more evidence that he was and pulled the trigger. He definitely had some intel about when and from which exit Thompson would be leaving the hotel.
bonfarr said:Gig em G said:
What evidence is needed to convict him of murder? Would a murder weapon in your possession be enough for a conviction? What about the possibility the weapon could be passed to an accomplice?
I'm not saying he didn't do this. But I'm also not totally convinced he was working alone unless NYPD says otherwise and provides more evidence that he was and pulled the trigger. He definitely had some intel about when and from which exit Thompson would be leaving the hotel.
I'm no attorney but I don't think whether or not he had an accomplice that doesn't get identified or captured would prevent him being charged and convicted. I think prosecutors will be able to lay out a very strong case that this guy was the shooter.
What is the felony here that would make the felony murder rule applicable?Quote:
I am an attorney (but corporate not criminal) however I would advise alot of you to study the following:
The felony murder rule is a rule that allows a defendant to be charged with first-degree murder for a killing that occurs during a dangerous felony,
even if the defendant is not the killer.
You can't use "New York gun laws" as the underlying felony to convict a non-shooter of felony murder.aggiehawg said:
New York gun laws.
What about it?Gig em G said:
What evidence is needed to convict him of murder? Would a murder weapon in your possession be enough for a conviction? What about the possibility the weapon could be passed to an accomplice?
I'm not saying he didn't do this. But I'm also not totally convinced he was working alone unless NYPD says otherwise and provides more evidence that he was and pulled the trigger. He definitely had some intel about when and from which exit Thompson would be leaving the hotel.
Im Gipper said:You can't use "New York gun laws" as the underlying felony to convict a non-shooter of felony murder.aggiehawg said:
New York gun laws.
NEW: A witness who was at the McDonald's where Luigi Mangione was caught, says he and a friend joked at Mangione that he looked like the New York sh**ter.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) December 10, 2024
McDonald’s customer, Larry, said he and a friend were joking so loud that Mangione could hear them.
"One of my friends, and… pic.twitter.com/Trl6icL6qa
Thanks, but that has nothing to do with my question!MarkTwain said:Im Gipper said:You can't use "New York gun laws" as the underlying felony to convict a non-shooter of felony murder.aggiehawg said:
New York gun laws.
He'll be charged with murder 2 and that's that. In New York, the punishment for second-degree murder is 15 years to life in prison. However, the sentence depends on several factors. Don't think any apply here. He's toast and will grow old in prison
BadMoonRisin said:
Why do people on Twitter blank out non cuss words like shooter, rape, sexual assault, etc?
bangobango said:What about it?Gig em G said:
What evidence is needed to convict him of murder? Would a murder weapon in your possession be enough for a conviction? What about the possibility the weapon could be passed to an accomplice?
I'm not saying he didn't do this. But I'm also not totally convinced he was working alone unless NYPD says otherwise and provides more evidence that he was and pulled the trigger. He definitely had some intel about when and from which exit Thompson would be leaving the hotel.
Sounds like a nut.aggiedata said:JUST IN: Luigi Mangione starts yelling at the media as he is escorted from a police car to court.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) December 10, 2024
"Completely out of touch... it's an insult to the intelligence of the American people..."
Mangione is appearing in Pennsylvania court for his extradition hearing.
The development… pic.twitter.com/tKEVHtBwEG
He could be charged with anything and he can make any defense he wants to make, but the prosecution isn't going to define their charges on what he says happened when they've caught him red-handed with cash, fake ids, and the murder weapon.Gig em G said:bangobango said:What about it?Gig em G said:
What evidence is needed to convict him of murder? Would a murder weapon in your possession be enough for a conviction? What about the possibility the weapon could be passed to an accomplice?
I'm not saying he didn't do this. But I'm also not totally convinced he was working alone unless NYPD says otherwise and provides more evidence that he was and pulled the trigger. He definitely had some intel about when and from which exit Thompson would be leaving the hotel.
I was just wondering, if they don't have anything else from the crime scene that directly links back to Mangione, could he just be charged with "accessory to murder" and not murder.
You've been watching too much CSI. Do you have any idea how many people have been convicted of murder based on little more than circumstantial evidence? They have a ton of evidence against this guy.Quote:
I was just wondering, if (and that's a big "if) they don't have anything else from the crime scene that directly links back to Mangione, could he just be charged with "accessory to murder" and not murder.
Yep. Old dudes coffee clubs have been infiltrated by Feds...AgBQ-00 said:
would not surprise me at all.
BadMoonRisin said:
Why do people on Twitter blank out non cuss words like shooter, rape, sexual assault, etc?
To me it sounds like he's trying to channel his best Gary Oldman playing Lee Harvey Oswald in the movie JFK.dermdoc said:Sounds like a nut.aggiedata said:JUST IN: Luigi Mangione starts yelling at the media as he is escorted from a police car to court.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) December 10, 2024
"Completely out of touch... it's an insult to the intelligence of the American people..."
Mangione is appearing in Pennsylvania court for his extradition hearing.
The development… pic.twitter.com/tKEVHtBwEG
MarkTwain said:Im Gipper said:You can't use "New York gun laws" as the underlying felony to convict a non-shooter of felony murder.aggiehawg said:
New York gun laws.
He'll be charged with murder 2 and that's that. In New York, the punishment for second-degree murder is 15 years to life in prison. However, the sentence depends on several factors. Don't think any apply here. He's toast and will grow old in prison
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifestoQuote:
To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.
BadMoonRisin said:
Crazy that a guy like this would do something like that. Yeah I'm sure he will enjoy the positive attention for a few months during the trial, but dude seemed to have his whole life in front of him and was living life on easy mode.
So many just can't wrap their head around the fact dude was simply recognized from news reports.AgBQ-00 said:
if cell phones are close by (they are) sigint is a thing. Thinking about what we know for fact from way back when the Snowden stuff leaked...I just kind of go off the assumption that my convos and emails and texts are not truly private.
This. It was rather lucky that the guy was caught. Wearing a mask in Altoona probably was not the smartest move.Gator92 said:So many just can't wrap their head around the fact dude was simply recognized from news reports.AgBQ-00 said:
if cell phones are close by (they are) sigint is a thing. Thinking about what we know for fact from way back when the Snowden stuff leaked...I just kind of go off the assumption that my convos and emails and texts are not truly private.
I'm going w/ Rapier's Razor...
Could say the same about all of the jailhouse interviews we have ever seen. Hell, one time we interviewed Bin Laden in person.Bunk Moreland said:Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:
Are we going to get a pre-trial Jailhouse exclusive interview? Sounds like he wants to talk.
All he wants to do is talk directly to the public. He set off multiple videos from accounts that were meant to be aired after he was arrested but YT already identified some of the accounts and took them down before they could.
And authorities/machine are going to do everything in their power to limit the words he's allowed to speak directly to the public.
Nothing new or groundbreaking when a true believer like this wants their fame and to 'start a revolution'
That gives me the warm and fuzzies all over...AgBQ-00 said:
if cell phones are close by (they are) sigint is a thing. Thinking about what we know for fact from way back when the Snowden stuff leaked...I just kind of go off the assumption that my convos and emails and texts are not truly private.
BadMoonRisin said:
Crazy that a guy like this would do something like that. Yeah I'm sure he will enjoy the positive attention for a few months during the trial, but dude seemed to have his whole life in front of him and was living life on easy mode.
Im Gipper said:Thanks, but that has nothing to do with my question!MarkTwain said:Im Gipper said:You can't use "New York gun laws" as the underlying felony to convict a non-shooter of felony murder.aggiehawg said:
New York gun laws.
He'll be charged with murder 2 and that's that. In New York, the punishment for second-degree murder is 15 years to life in prison. However, the sentence depends on several factors. Don't think any apply here. He's toast and will grow old in prison
A poster said that an accomplice could be charged with felony murder, which is a term under the common law for when a person can be charged with murder even if they didn't go the actual killing.
I am trying to find out what the heck he's talking about!
