United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC

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BadMoonRisin said:

dude seemed to have his whole life in front of him and was living life on easy mode.

I don't think this is the case

Apparently he was estranged from his family and friends for a few months now with suspected heavy drug use.

I don't think he was in a very good place and certainly not living on easy mode.
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I guess Dave Franco can play him in the movie that will inevitably be made about this weirdo
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TXAG 05 said:

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New York gun laws.
You can't use "New York gun laws" as the underlying felony to convict a non-shooter of felony murder.


Murder 1 is NY's equivalent to Capital Murder. Had he killed a child or raped and killed or killed during a robbery it would fall into murder 1 category. In NY Murder 2 is equivalent to premeditated murder in Texas.

He'll be charged with murder 2 and that's that. In New York, the punishment for second-degree murder is 15 years to life in prison. However, the sentence depends on several factors. Don't think any apply here. He's toast and will grow old in prison


Why not 1st degree? It seems like they could prove it was premeditated and intended to kill him.


Murder 2 is premeditated


Murder 1 is equivalent to capital murder


New York state has several levels of murder, including:
First-degree murder
The most serious homicide charge, with the possibility of life in prison without parole or even the death penalty. This charge applies to the killing of a police officer, firefighter, judge, peace officer, or other first responder. It can also apply to certain types of felony murder.
Second-degree murder
A serious charge that involves intentional killing without the specific aggravating factors required for first-degree murder. This is the most commonly charged murder.
Third-degree murder
A lesser form of homicide.
Aggravated murder
A charge that applies in certain circumstances, such as intentionally killing a first responder or a person under the age of 14 in a particularly cruel way.
Felony murder
A death that occurs during the commission of certain felonies. If the death occurs without intent to kill, it's second-degree murder. If the death occurs with intent to kill, it's first-degree murder.
Other homicide-related charges in New York include manslaughter and vehicular manslaughter.
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Someone found his Reddit account - Mister_Cactus.

Honestly seemed like a decent person from his posts. Mostly seem to be giving advice or encouragement to other people going through spinal surgeries and injuries.

Wild…
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Wow. That's crazy. Thanks for sharing.
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Gig em G said:

Someone found his Reddit account - Mister_Cactus.

Honestly seemed like a decent person from his posts. Mostly seem to be giving advice or encouragement to other people going through spinal surgeries and injuries.

Wild…

Man that is amazing how people can find this stuff out.
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BadMoonRisin said:

Crazy that a guy like this would do something like that. Yeah I'm sure he will enjoy the positive attention for a few months during the trial, but dude seemed to have his whole life in front of him and was living life on easy mode.
Not if he had a bad back injury from a freak accident during surfing lessons that caused chronic pain or severely limited his function...or if he got hooked on pain meds that further altered his lifestyle and state of mind.

Super active people can get pretty damn depressed when that gets taken away from them. Just speculating. It's not a rationale or ethical response...just saying, some people do not handle activity limiting injuries very well. This looked like a guy who was OCD about his fitness.
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MarkTwain said:

Im Gipper said:

aggiehawg said:

New York gun laws.
You can't use "New York gun laws" as the underlying felony to convict a non-shooter of felony murder.



He'll be charged with murder 2 and that's that. In New York, the punishment for second-degree murder is 15 years to life in prison. However, the sentence depends on several factors. Don't think any apply here. He's toast and will grow old in prison


Yeah, premeditation is going to be a major problem. And if that manifesto is real, he has absolutely no Evil Brian Thompson Ruined My Life sob story behind it. He just murdered some guy who had nothing to do with why the system is how it is and who had been a CEO of one company for 3 years
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Gig em G said:

Yeah, the McDonald's tipster will conveniently be forever left "anonymous."


It was Larry. Classic Larry
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so is this vigilante justice against a CEO who probably just approved a dividend increase, new notes on their credit facility, and a couple of small acquisitions at the last quarterly board meeting going to lead to a lot more vigilante justice against businesses that people don't like so we can finally end up with commie "free" healthcare for all like they have in Canada? I'm sure it's going to be wonderful. Maybe this will inspire more nutbars to not only kill some more health insurance CEOs, but some E&P CEOs too... that might get them to stop drilling and then the climate will cool!!
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Maybe they will put him in the exact same SuperMax cell as the Unabomber was in. He can pleasure himself to that achievement alone in his cell for the next 60 years or however long he lives.
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I keep seeing people elsewhere stating that he "wanted to get caught" as the reason he had all of the incriminating evidence on him, especially the murder weapon. Based on the verified manifesto I've seen reported on, he states "these parasiteS had it coming" (emphasis mine). He was clearly planning additional murders, and is likely the reason he held onto the gun. It'd be difficult for him to obtain another one while on the run.

He did not want to get caught, otherwise he wouldn't have been in Altoona of all places. He likely knew he'd eventually get caught, but he incidentally expedited that by walking into a McDonald's in a conservative area of the country undoubtedly being the only person with a mask on. He's a smart dude that seemed to be lacking a bit in common sense.

And I imagine his radicalization came from his chronic pain and what I presume is subsequent, significant drug use, based on the mushroom Pokmon he had on the banner of his twitter account. I also wouldn't be surprised if he ended getting diagnosed with bipolar disorder, as well. He's certainly not schizophrenic, as his thoughts are quite organized, but the detail of some of his reddit posts, his dropping off the face of the earth for the last several months gives me the impression manic or hypomanic episodes. This is not to excuse murder, however.
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I think he is going to be quite pleased at the high quality of health care he will receive once he is a guest of the NY state prison system. Free healthcare for all and I wouldn't be surprised if free sex re-assignment surgery would be available if he was so inclined.
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The LAST thing you want to see happen is the appearance of any changes to the healthcare system directly because of something like this…which was essentially terrorism. This guy should be criminally prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law with prejudice.

You might then just be encouraging more wackos out there with grudges against who knows what industries thinking gunning corporate executives or politicians for that matter down in the streets is an 'effective' approach.
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Have there been any reports of his parents, family, or former friends contacting the police after seeing the initial photo that was released (before he was caught)? It seems like there would be dozens of people who would have instantly recognized him.
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Seven Costanza said:

Have there been any reports of his parents, family, or former friends contacting the police after seeing the initial photo that was released (before he was caught)? It seems like there would be dozens of people who would have instantly recognized him.



No. I saw one ex-FBI profiler explaining that it can be very difficult for family in that situation to think that might really be their beloved Johnny. And Even when they are certain, it can be very difficult for a family to turn on their own.
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Seven Costanza said:

Have there been any reports of his parents, family, or former friends contacting the police after seeing the initial photo that was released (before he was caught)? It seems like there would be dozens of people who would have instantly recognized him.


No reports that I have seen. Statements from his family claim they were completely shocked learning Luigi was arrested for the murder and as of last night that the only info they had was from watching news reports post arrest.

I wonder how long he has had the vendetta against insurance companies. His family supposedly hasn't been in contact with him much over the last year but if he has long verbalized a grudge against insurance companies similar to his manifesto and you see the news reports of the murder how could a parent not know that was their child on the wanted poster?
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He built that gun himself and I bet he was very proud of accomplishing that and actually successfully killing somebody with it and wouldn't have wanted to dispose it. Also, this guy has some classic serial killer vibes and I would guarantee he'd have eventually shot somebody else with that gun if allowed to roam free long enough.
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The reddit posts also indicate he was suffering from quite a few debilitating health complications stemming from his back surgery. It didn't sound good and probably led to depression, as another poster mentioned.
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You'd think he'd have been more likely to have murdered the back surgeon who operated on him than some (essentially) random health care executive. His family is wealthy and he's only 26 so I am skeptical he personally has some horrible 'My claim was delayed or denied!' Horror story.
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Its the equivalent to sip fans throwing water bottles
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Pumpkinhead said:

You'd think he'd have been more likely to have murdered the back surgeon who operated on him than some (essentially) random health care executive. His family is wealthy and he's only 26 so I am skeptical he personally has some horrible 'My claim was delayed or denied!' Horror story.


I'm not sure how wealthy his immediate family is as it has been reported he grew up in an $800 k townhome but his grandfather had millions and the family still runs several large businesses. If they can pay $160k for a private HS they are wealthy enough. Having said that why was he *****ing in his manifesto about co-pays his mom had to pay for treatment? They could certainly afford co-pays.
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bonfarr said:

Pumpkinhead said:

You'd think he'd have been more likely to have murdered the back surgeon who operated on him than some (essentially) random health care executive. His family is wealthy and he's only 26 so I am skeptical he personally has some horrible 'My claim was delayed or denied!' Horror story.


I'm not sure how wealthy his immediate family is as it has been reported he grew up in an $800 k townhome but his grandfather had millions and the family still runs several large businesses. If they can pay $160k for a private HS they are wealthy enough. Having said that why was he *****ing in his manifesto about co-pays his mom had to pay for treatment? They could certainly afford co-pays.


He also blames health insurance for the falling expected life rate.....

Dorsnt mention anything about obesity
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Doesn't seem like he blames the surgeon for the complications. Or anyone for that matter. He just shares his issues with other posters.
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Pumpkinhead said:

He built that gun himself and I bet he was very proud of accomplishing that and actually successfully killing somebody with it and wouldn't have wanted to dispose it. Also, this guy has some classic serial killer vibes and I would guarantee he'd have eventually shot somebody else with that gun if allowed to roam free long enough.


Stupid questions......can someone please explain in simple terms what the 3D printer is that they keep reporting he made it with? Also, would it pass thru TSA assuming he flew from Hawaii to Atlanta (??) Or did he make it in continental US or have help?
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MsDoubleD81 said:

Pumpkinhead said:

He built that gun himself and I bet he was very proud of accomplishing that and actually successfully killing somebody with it and wouldn't have wanted to dispose it. Also, this guy has some classic serial killer vibes and I would guarantee he'd have eventually shot somebody else with that gun if allowed to roam free long enough.


Stupid questions......can someone please explain in simple terms what the 3D printer is that they keep reporting he made it with? Also, would it pass thru TSA assuming he flew from Hawaii to Atlanta (??) Or did he make it in continental US or have help?
Very good questions. Been wondering the same. How long and where was he on the mainland?
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I don't think it would have made it through TSA…unless it was overlooked by TSA agents
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Whats your point?
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MsDoubleD81 said:

Pumpkinhead said:

He built that gun himself and I bet he was very proud of accomplishing that and actually successfully killing somebody with it and wouldn't have wanted to dispose it. Also, this guy has some classic serial killer vibes and I would guarantee he'd have eventually shot somebody else with that gun if allowed to roam free long enough.


Stupid questions......can someone please explain in simple terms what the 3D printer is that they keep reporting he made it with? Also, would it pass thru TSA assuming he flew from Hawaii to Atlanta (??) Or did he make it in continental US or have help?
He didn't necessarily have a 3D printer. He could have bought all the pieces, legally, which someone else 3D printed and assembled it himself. I'm sure someone else will be able clarify.

And if he has been out of touch with his family for six months, to me that says he may not have been in Hawaii during that time.
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He does mention CAD in his alleged manifesto, which makes me think he's alluding to printing it himself
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3D printed guns don't fly. They don't get through scanners, they don't get through metal detectors.

Hollywood and liberals have made up this lie and of course they ride with it.

You can make guns. It isn't hard. The harder part is making decent barrels and metal components. It's hard to make guns that have the same accuracy and longevity of even really cheap guns.
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Who?mikejones! said:

Whats your point?
Curious if there was anything that pointed toward Thompson not being a part of the problem with the healthcare system in the US as that poster said.

I feel like I should not have to say this, but I obviously do not condone what the shooter did, it is abhorrent, and he should be punished.
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torrid said:

MsDoubleD81 said:

Pumpkinhead said:

He built that gun himself and I bet he was very proud of accomplishing that and actually successfully killing somebody with it and wouldn't have wanted to dispose it. Also, this guy has some classic serial killer vibes and I would guarantee he'd have eventually shot somebody else with that gun if allowed to roam free long enough.


Stupid questions......can someone please explain in simple terms what the 3D printer is that they keep reporting he made it with? Also, would it pass thru TSA assuming he flew from Hawaii to Atlanta (??) Or did he make it in continental US or have help?
He didn't necessarily have a 3D printer. He could have bought all the pieces, legally, which someone else 3D printed and assembled it himself. I'm sure someone else will be able clarify.

And if he has been out of touch with his family for six months, to me that says he may not have been in Hawaii during that time.


But what is the 3D printer? Like a cricut? LOL. Buy a chunk of plastic, design it with some kind of software and then print? How does that enable it to shoot the ammo? This reminds me of the Clint Eastwood/John Malcovick movie??
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MsDoubleD81 said:

torrid said:

MsDoubleD81 said:

Pumpkinhead said:

He built that gun himself and I bet he was very proud of accomplishing that and actually successfully killing somebody with it and wouldn't have wanted to dispose it. Also, this guy has some classic serial killer vibes and I would guarantee he'd have eventually shot somebody else with that gun if allowed to roam free long enough.


Stupid questions......can someone please explain in simple terms what the 3D printer is that they keep reporting he made it with? Also, would it pass thru TSA assuming he flew from Hawaii to Atlanta (??) Or did he make it in continental US or have help?
He didn't necessarily have a 3D printer. He could have bought all the pieces, legally, which someone else 3D printed and assembled it himself. I'm sure someone else will be able clarify.

And if he has been out of touch with his family for six months, to me that says he may not have been in Hawaii during that time.


But what is the 3D printer? Like a cricut? LOL. Buy a chunk of plastic, design it with some kind of software and then print? How does that enable it to shoot the ammo? This reminds me of the Clint Eastwood/John Malcovick movie??

 
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