can you really blame people for not having sympathy for these clowns. They deny people insurance all the time but sure as **** won't refund premiumschickencoupe16 said:There are definitely things that justify this, even if they don't make it legal. Not saying those things exist in this scenario, but they do exist.William Foster said:Obviously nothing justifies this...would just find the shooting less sprurising if something like that turned out to be the case.TheEternalOptimist said:Scenario is still immoral response to a questionably immoral situation. The CEO does not have %100 knowledge and understanding of every single denial or insurance dispute.aTm2004 said:Or a second scenario:BigRobSA said:Psycho Bunny said:
Imagine ruining your life and your family's life just to kill a CEO. That's really sticking it to the man. Only for the company to put a new CEO in its place, who might just be worse than the previous CEO.
Now you are in jail for murder and the CEOs wife can now sue your family for damages. Not that CEOs wife will ever see any money? The fact that your family's life is now ruined
Hope those three day old sandwiches, you'll be eating while sitting in jail was worth it.
Scenario:
I pay my premium for myself and my 6yo son. I never miss a payment and go to in network providers, etc, etc. My son gets diagnosed with something normally covered and, because reasons, he gets denied care and dies.
Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine while I reminisce about how the scum sucking CEO is 6 fee under.
You pay your premiums and you never miss a payment, go to in network providers, etc. You're diagnosed with a terminal illness and there is a new treatment that is showing promise that is curing and/or extending the life of those with the treatment, but because of reasons, your insurance provider denies it and you just had your last Thanksgiving.
Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine for the months you have left while you laugh about that scum sucking CEO beating you to the dirt.
A man with a grudge who knows his life is ending soon and has nothing to lose is very dangerous. I'm honestly shocked it hasn't happened before.
I was rejected for a treatment for my severe illness by Aetna. I did not ever think of murder. Not even once.
United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
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You can get a lot of value from spent casings. Every fiream is unique and chambers and firing pins leave tangible real evidence.William Foster said:GAC06 said:BlueSmoke said:Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.ttu_85 said:Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.texagbeliever said:Dicer said:
That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off
Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?
Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
But...
Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.
Like I said odd.
Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan
If I were an assassin, I would use a .22 or 9mm suppressed PCC with some type of catch-bag.
Although, what are the odds they are able to get anything of value from the casings if he even took the most basic of precautions?
I believe he was there for an annual shareholders meeting. Would be public knowledge scheduled months ago.AggieDruggist89 said:
How would a disgruntled insurance member/family know where Thompson would be this AM?
When I'm traveling (He lives in MN?) for business, very few if any will know my whereabouts at any given time. Those who would know would be someone with access to my calendar or someone who's in the meeting with me. Even my family wouldn't know exact time and location of my whereabouts.
So a close insider had to have tipped off the shooter.
Did he fly in this morning on the company jet?
ADS-B or your favorite flight tracker...
I disagree...then why didn't he shoot the woman that was right beside him and he did not pay one ounce of attention to her.Hungry Ojos said:
I'm going the other way on this. I think, despite what the report says, it was another random thug and they're finagling it as a "white guy" hit job to avoid another disastrous murder story in New York.
This was clearly targeted.hammerhead said:I disagree...then why didn't he shoot the woman that was right beside him and he did not pay one ounce of attention to her.Hungry Ojos said:
I'm going the other way on this. I think, despite what the report says, it was another random thug and they're finagling it as a "white guy" hit job to avoid another disastrous murder story in New York.
Although it's blurry.... the camera doesn't seem to show robbery indications.
Police have said his schedule was publicly available so anyone with motivation could figure out when he'd be there.Gator92 said:I believe he was there for an annual shareholders meeting. Would be public knowledge scheduled months ago.AggieDruggist89 said:
How would a disgruntled insurance member/family know where Thompson would be this AM?
When I'm traveling (He lives in MN?) for business, very few if any will know my whereabouts at any given time. Those who would know would be someone with access to my calendar or someone who's in the meeting with me. Even my family wouldn't know exact time and location of my whereabouts.
So a close insider had to have tipped off the shooter.
Did he fly in this morning on the company jet?
ADS-B or your favorite flight tracker...
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I don't own a suppressed pistol but have shot plenty that belong to friends. I have never experienced or witnessed a malfunction. I have watched people burn their hands on the suppressor.BlueSmoke said:
Maybe I'm overthinking this - but a semi with subs will have obvious cycling issues.....so why not use a revolver?
Someone that calm and collected has obvious spent "some" time around pistols and seemingly would know this?
For what ever that is worth.
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I don't remember with perfect clarity but I know 115, 124, and 150 grain ammo being used at different times.
Agreed, I just mean, if the dude bought a throw-away and didnt get prints all over the casings, it's almost an insurmountable climb for law enforcement.schmellba99 said:You can get a lot of value from spent casings. Every fiream is unique and chambers and firing pins leave tangible real evidence.William Foster said:GAC06 said:BlueSmoke said:Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.ttu_85 said:Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.texagbeliever said:Dicer said:
That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off
Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?
Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
But...
Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.
Like I said odd.
Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan
If I were an assassin, I would use a .22 or 9mm suppressed PCC with some type of catch-bag.
Although, what are the odds they are able to get anything of value from the casings if he even took the most basic of precautions?
If you or I wanted to do something like this, we could cover our asses easily in that dept...there are a dozen other ways they could get us. But casings wouldn't be one of them.
Yikes.
Completely calm. Not interested in an another person standing there either.
Completely calm. Not interested in an another person standing there either.
BREAKING: Chilling surveillance footage shows assassin executing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in NYC pic.twitter.com/sbip37kDlh
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Either you are agreeing with me or misunderstood my post because I can definitely understand the sentiment of many who are not moved by this.
I'm gonna go over to BlueSky and compare notes......TheEternalOptimist said:
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I probably did
Yikes, that's crazy. Wonder what is really behind this story, Im sure this is making alot of higher up health care type management people a little nervous. what dirt did he have on Fauci.. lol..annie88 said:
Yikes.
Completely calm. Not interested in an another person standing there either.BREAKING: Chilling surveillance footage shows assassin executing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in NYC pic.twitter.com/sbip37kDlh
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) December 4, 2024
who knows, this could have been related to Covid? but probably someone's insurance claim that got rejected. you just never know these days.
Im sure we will all hear the story of what really happened soon.
fullback44 said:Yikes, that's crazy. Wonder what is really behind this story, Im sure this is making alot of higher up health care type management people a little nervous. what dirt did he have on Fauci.. lol..annie88 said:
Yikes.
Completely calm. Not interested in an another person standing there either.BREAKING: Chilling surveillance footage shows assassin executing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in NYC pic.twitter.com/sbip37kDlh
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) December 4, 2024
who knows, this could have been related to Covid? but probably someone's insurance claim that got rejected. you just never know these days.
Im sure we will all hear the story of what really happened soon.
The retaliation for claim denial makes a little more sense. For coverups, you don't go for top dog, you go for the people in the know. At his level if you need to influence, you just bribe him.
DOJ launched probe into UnitedHealth for insider trading and attempted to stop monopoly
Multiple senior executives at UnitedHealthcare have been under investigation by the Department of Justice, though it is not clear if CEO Brian Thompson was part of that investigation before his murder.
Information from Fox Business
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/doj-launched-probe-unitedhealth-insider-trading-attempted-stop-monopoly
Multiple senior executives at UnitedHealthcare have been under investigation by the Department of Justice, though it is not clear if CEO Brian Thompson was part of that investigation before his murder.
Information from Fox Business
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/doj-launched-probe-unitedhealth-insider-trading-attempted-stop-monopoly
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Some of y'all are missing my main point. My question is, why are there unspent rounds on the ground? You'd think a pro would know the tools of his trade like the back of his hand. So a pro goes on a hit with a jacked up gun or bad ammo ?GAC06 said:BlueSmoke said:Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.ttu_85 said:Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.texagbeliever said:Dicer said:
That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off
Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?
Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
But...
Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.
Like I said odd.
Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan
Odd
Psycho Bunny said:
DOJ launched probe into UnitedHealth for insider trading and attempted to stop monopoly
Multiple senior executives at UnitedHealthcare have been under investigation by the Department of Justice, though it is not clear if CEO Brian Thompson was part of that investigation before his murder.
Information from Fox Business
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/doj-launched-probe-unitedhealth-insider-trading-attempted-stop-monopoly
A UHC internal coup would be popcorn level material.
mickeyrig06sq3 said:Psycho Bunny said:
DOJ launched probe into UnitedHealth for insider trading and attempted to stop monopoly
Multiple senior executives at UnitedHealthcare have been under investigation by the Department of Justice, though it is not clear if CEO Brian Thompson was part of that investigation before his murder.
Information from Fox Business
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/doj-launched-probe-unitedhealth-insider-trading-attempted-stop-monopoly
A UHC internal coup would be popcorn level material.
Definitely a "didn't have that on my bingo card" popcorn level.
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BlueSmoke said:
Maybe I'm overthinking this - but a semi with subs will have obvious cycling issues.....so why not use a revolver?
Someone that calm and collected has obvious spent "some" time around pistols and seemingly would know this?
I had the same thought, but maybe it has to do with the availability of threaded barrels on semi autos versus revolvers. When you are going to ambush and unsuspecting and unarmed target manually racking the slide for multiple shots doesn't seem like that big of a problem. Clearly it was not.
Do they make suppressors for revolvers?
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They might. But there is so much leakage around the cylinder, it's a waste of timeAgBQ-00 said:
Do they make suppressors for revolvers?
AgBQ-00 said:
Do they make suppressors for revolvers?
There is
https://www.thearmorylife.com/can-you-suppress-a-revolver/
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That is what I was thinking. It's not exactly a completely closed chamber
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I forget what country had them during WWI but one had a suppressed revolver as a standard sidearm for officers
Pretty sure it was a Russian nagant but the cylinder moved forward to seal it off when firing. Hope I'm remembering right.
ttu_85 said:Some of y'all are missing my main point. My question is, why are there unspent rounds on the ground? You'd think a pro would know the tools of his trade like the back of his hand. So a pro goes on a hit with a jacked up gun or bad ammo ?GAC06 said:BlueSmoke said:Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.ttu_85 said:Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.texagbeliever said:Dicer said:
That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off
Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?
Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
But...
Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.
Like I said odd.
Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan
Odd
The gun is not jacked up and the ammo is not bad. This dude knew before he pulled the trigger that he was going to have to manually work the action.
I don't own a suppressor and I'm not an authority on them, but I don't think it matters whether it is a revolver or a semi auto. The caliber matters and you have to have a threaded barrel.AgBQ-00 said:
Do they make suppressors for revolvers?
The most shocking part of this whole story is how the CEO of a major healthcare company didn't utilize executive protection.
And the rounds used in the suppressed pistol likely didn't have enough grains to cycle the weapon's slide causing a stoppage. He's not catching casings and keeping them just to leave three there.
And the rounds used in the suppressed pistol likely didn't have enough grains to cycle the weapon's slide causing a stoppage. He's not catching casings and keeping them just to leave three there.
Looks to me like shooter knew he was going to have to hand cycle the gun. Suppressor most likely did not have a Nielsen device that allows a semi auto pistol to unlock the barrel and cycle with the heavy can attached. Would suggest a homemade or cheapo suppressor. Or possibly just a suppressor that was designed for a fixed barrel gun like a rifle.
CS78 said:
Looks to me like shooter knew he was going to have to hand cycle the gun. Suppressor most likely did not have a Nielsen device that allows a semi auto pistol to unlock the barrel and cycle with the heavy can attached. Would suggest a homemade or cheapo suppressor. Or possibly just a suppressor that was designed for a fixed barrel gun like a rifle.
I've seen people speculate it could be something like a Welrod.
Not sure if this has been posted yet on the thread but Runkle doesn't seem to buy the idea that this was a professional hit. Guy looked like an amateur.
Does not think the gun was working properly. Probably didn't even test the gun before he got out there. Guy was not wearing gloves. Left shell casings including some unfired rounds that probably had his fingerprints all over.
Thinks it was someone who was proficient but not a professional.
Does not think the gun was working properly. Probably didn't even test the gun before he got out there. Guy was not wearing gloves. Left shell casings including some unfired rounds that probably had his fingerprints all over.
Thinks it was someone who was proficient but not a professional.
Why does that guy say the VP9 is a "bolt action" firearm? I've shot them. There is no "bolt." It does not require you to manually cycle the slide.
Edit: he's talking about a B&T, not the HK. Weird. That thing definitely looks like a semi auto with a suppressor attached to the end.
Edit: he's talking about a B&T, not the HK. Weird. That thing definitely looks like a semi auto with a suppressor attached to the end.
Was this gun that was used or something similar
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