United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC

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In reply to Mark Stoops • 10:28p, 12/5/24
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Just from the perspective of our corrupt oligarchs, is it really a net good thing for them if this guy is caught? He's very likely going to have a very tragic, relatable, and completely avoidable backstory involving the death or severely degraded life of a loved one due to UH denying claims that are indefensible. Not guaranteed, but a very likely scenario.

If this guy is identified and goes to trial, it's just going to keep the light shining on these disgusting practices. Yeah you'll get your man, but you'll fall even further behind with the masses as the trial drags on. It's just going to keep it in the zeitgeist that much longer.

Despite the slip of the mask, this guy is a hired gun, not a personal sob story. His low profile/incognito method of travel. The 1-2 weeks on location. The weapon choice and proficiency. His calm demeanor. Knowing when and where the victim would appear unprotected. How many people knew the victim was staying in a hotel other than the Hilton where the conference was being held? Recognizing the victim on sight. The methodical escape. I wouldn't be surprised if the phone and water bottle were decoys meant to waste time and resources.
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In reply to Mark Stoops • 10:32p, 12/5/24
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Mark Stoops said:
Just from the perspective of our corrupt oligarchs, is it really a net good thing for them if this guy is caught?


Good point… but I still think probably still a net good for them. Otherwise it means corrupt oligarchs and their henchmen can be murdered in broad daylight in Manhattan, in front of the world, and the perp got away?
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In reply to painkiller06 • 10:34p, 12/5/24
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eric76 said:
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The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.
You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


What do you think of the VA? You wanna go there and have that be your medical care?
I know people who love the VA. From what I've heard, the VA in Amarillo is generally considered to be pretty good.


Of course that's your thought. My goodness. There's entire movies and series that focus on how bad it is but you're a fan. You're certainly not a person who has ever used the VA
What the hell are you talking about?

I damn sure know people around here who love the VA.

My impression from others in other areas is that it can really vary depending on where you are located.


You've never used the VA, anywhere. I'll let others eat you alive, troll
One guy who lives about two blocks from office is a big fan of the VA. He likes it enough that he would rather drive to Amarillo to go to the VA hospital there than to drive to the nearest doctor's office here.

He told me once that he has friends from around Oklahoma City who have had nothing but problems with the VA hospital there and wish that the one in Oklahoma City was like the one in Amarillo.

I will believe close friends who have used the VA for years.

If you want to see a troll, look in your bathroom mirror.
Eric, no offense but you have no idea what you are talking about here. The VA healthcare system sucks. Full of incompetence and inefficiency, from top to bottom. Through medical school and residency, I've spent time training in several different VA hospitals and I've interacted with hundreds if not thousands of Veteran patients...99.99% of them will tell you the VA is a disgrace to their service. Most of them now get care in private sector though choice system


My wife did multiple rotations after pharmacy school. She said the VA was a gigantic step down, in every way.
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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 10:43p, 12/5/24
P.H. Dexippus said:
Mark Stoops said:
Just from the perspective of our corrupt oligarchs, is it really a net good thing for them if this guy is caught? He's very likely going to have a very tragic, relatable, and completely avoidable backstory involving the death or severely degraded life of a loved one due to UH denying claims that are indefensible. Not guaranteed, but a very likely scenario.

If this guy is identified and goes to trial, it's just going to keep the light shining on these disgusting practices. Yeah you'll get your man, but you'll fall even further behind with the masses as the trial drags on. It's just going to keep it in the zeitgeist that much longer.

Despite the slip of the mask, this guy is a hired gun, not a personal sob story. His low profile/incognito method of travel. The 1-2 weeks on location. The weapon choice and proficiency. His calm demeanor. Knowing when and where the victim would appear unprotected. How many people knew the victim was staying in a hotel other than the Hilton where the conference was being held? Recognizing the victim on sight. The methodical escape. I wouldn't be surprised if the phone and water bottle were decoys meant to waste time and resources.


Well fair enough but identifying him will surely mean identifying whoever hired him. So you run into the same "problem".
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In reply to Gig em G • 10:44p, 12/5/24
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Mark Stoops said:
Just from the perspective of our corrupt oligarchs, is it really a net good thing for them if this guy is caught?


Good point… but I still think probably still a net good for them. Otherwise it means corrupt oligarchs and their henchmen can be murdered in broad daylight in Manhattan, in front of the world, and the perp got away?


That's fairly easily solved with top notch personal security, which they can obviously easily afford.
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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 11:21p, 12/5/24
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The patsy picture they think is a match kind of looks like that beta **** from the Catfish movie/show.



This post and the chick at the hostel still didn't **** him? Nice guys really do finish last.
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11:24p, 12/5/24
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 5:30a, 12/6/24
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aTm2004 said:
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FYI...I'm not celebrating his death. But knowing what his company and his competitor's companies do makes me not care. There is a difference.

We will find out the why, and I do hope it is the reason many of us are thinking it is so hopefully they'll take a pause and look at their business practices and make a change.


A billion dollar insurance company is going to change their ways. That's hilarious. I needed a good laugh.
It's like the flag in golf...there for hope. A Christmas miracle perhaps?

Well well well…





Just as I expected, these people are cowards. One hint of actual physical pushback on a personal level and they fold like wet blankets.
They're doing the right thing at least, but this is not a good look at all.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 5:46a, 12/6/24
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LOL, thanks, that one got me.
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I find it odd that he left unfired bullets at the scene (at least one). I thought they just had the spent shell casings. But I saw a video of them processing the crime scene and it shows an unfired bullet on the sidewalk. Maybe this was brought up earlier in the thread, but I missed it.
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In reply to DargelSkout • 6:33a, 12/6/24
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I find it odd that he left unfired bullets at the scene (at least one). I thought they just had the spent shell casings. But I saw a video of them processing the crime scene and it shows an unfired bullet on the sidewalk. Maybe this was brought up earlier in the thread, but I missed it.
Purely guessing, but I think they were ejected unfired after the gun jammed.
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In reply to Dicer • 7:04a, 12/6/24
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Lol the internet is forever. The Wayback Machine can show those pages.
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In reply to DargelSkout • 7:06a, 12/6/24
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I find it odd that he left unfired bullets at the scene (at least one). I thought they just had the spent shell casings. But I saw a video of them processing the crime scene and it shows an unfired bullet on the sidewalk. Maybe this was brought up earlier in the thread, but I missed it.
The unfired bullets had a message written on them. Deny was one of them.
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7:06a, 12/6/24
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48 hours since the incident. The gunman is still at large. Where is he? Did he train out to NJ? If I'm him, I'm not going back to Atlanta on the bus. Last seen exiting the Central Park. Where can he run to or hide?
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In reply to AggieDruggist89 • 7:07a, 12/6/24
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International flight out of JFK later that day.
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7:17a, 12/6/24
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If he's smart he is currently in a non-extradition country. I'm not even sure the pictures they have shown are of the same person. They all three look like different people
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In reply to AggieDruggist89 • 7:22a, 12/6/24
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Oh, when I read about the messages, I thought it was on the spent casings.
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In reply to akaggie05 • 7:22a, 12/6/24
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International flight out of JFK later that day.


Past Sunday, I drove my son from 3 blocks from the 911 Memorial to JFK at 6AM. It's a tough drive.. One of the busiest traffic I've been in. My daughter works 2 blocks from the incident.

That's actually a good idea to jet out internationally.
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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 7:22a, 12/6/24
P.H. Dexippus said:
Mark Stoops said:
Just from the perspective of our corrupt oligarchs, is it really a net good thing for them if this guy is caught? He's very likely going to have a very tragic, relatable, and completely avoidable backstory involving the death or severely degraded life of a loved one due to UH denying claims that are indefensible. Not guaranteed, but a very likely scenario.

If this guy is identified and goes to trial, it's just going to keep the light shining on these disgusting practices. Yeah you'll get your man, but you'll fall even further behind with the masses as the trial drags on. It's just going to keep it in the zeitgeist that much longer.

Despite the slip of the mask, this guy is a hired gun, not a personal sob story. His low profile/incognito method of travel. The 1-2 weeks on location. The weapon choice and proficiency. His calm demeanor. Knowing when and where the victim would appear unprotected. How many people knew the victim was staying in a hotel other than the Hilton where the conference was being held? Recognizing the victim on sight. The methodical escape. I wouldn't be surprised if the phone and water bottle were decoys meant to waste time and resources.



Hold on. Are you a hired gun? The reason I ask is that you're stating that only a hired gun would know how to behave this way. It seems to me that if a texags poster knows how to act like a hired gun, anyone could act like one.
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In reply to AgBQ-00 • 7:24a, 12/6/24
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If he's smart he is currently in a non-extradition country. I'm not even sure the pictures they have shown are of the same person. They all three look like different people


2 pictures side by side are different dudes. Nose bridge.
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In reply to General Jack D. Ripper • 7:26a, 12/6/24
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General Jack D. Ripper said:
P.H. Dexippus said:
Mark Stoops said:
Just from the perspective of our corrupt oligarchs, is it really a net good thing for them if this guy is caught? He's very likely going to have a very tragic, relatable, and completely avoidable backstory involving the death or severely degraded life of a loved one due to UH denying claims that are indefensible. Not guaranteed, but a very likely scenario.

If this guy is identified and goes to trial, it's just going to keep the light shining on these disgusting practices. Yeah you'll get your man, but you'll fall even further behind with the masses as the trial drags on. It's just going to keep it in the zeitgeist that much longer.

Despite the slip of the mask, this guy is a hired gun, not a personal sob story. His low profile/incognito method of travel. The 1-2 weeks on location. The weapon choice and proficiency. His calm demeanor. Knowing when and where the victim would appear unprotected. How many people knew the victim was staying in a hotel other than the Hilton where the conference was being held? Recognizing the victim on sight. The methodical escape. I wouldn't be surprised if the phone and water bottle were decoys meant to waste time and resources.



Hold on. Are you a hired gun? The reason I ask is that you're stating that only a hired gun would know how to behave this way. It seems to me that if a texags poster knows how to act like a hired gun, anyone could act like one.
Everyone on TexAgs is a hired gun.
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In reply to General Jack D. Ripper • 7:27a, 12/6/24
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General Jack D. Ripper said:
P.H. Dexippus said:
Mark Stoops said:
Just from the perspective of our corrupt oligarchs, is it really a net good thing for them if this guy is caught? He's very likely going to have a very tragic, relatable, and completely avoidable backstory involving the death or severely degraded life of a loved one due to UH denying claims that are indefensible. Not guaranteed, but a very likely scenario.

If this guy is identified and goes to trial, it's just going to keep the light shining on these disgusting practices. Yeah you'll get your man, but you'll fall even further behind with the masses as the trial drags on. It's just going to keep it in the zeitgeist that much longer.

Despite the slip of the mask, this guy is a hired gun, not a personal sob story. His low profile/incognito method of travel. The 1-2 weeks on location. The weapon choice and proficiency. His calm demeanor. Knowing when and where the victim would appear unprotected. How many people knew the victim was staying in a hotel other than the Hilton where the conference was being held? Recognizing the victim on sight. The methodical escape. I wouldn't be surprised if the phone and water bottle were decoys meant to waste time and resources.



Hold on. Are you a hired gun? The reason I ask is that you're stating that only a hired gun would know how to behave this way. It seems to me that if a texags poster knows how to act like a hired gun, anyone could act like one.


Knowing what to do versus actually pulling it off calmly is the difference between readers versus doers.
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7:41a, 12/6/24
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I have seen conflicting info on the shooter getaway. Originally it was reported that witnesses saw the shooter ride off on a rental e-bike but then Coos said that wasn't the case. The Fox News report I just read had a timeline with a map and they are saying he did mount an e-bike and ride off to Central Park area. If true don't these rental e-bikes require a CC payment that can be tracked?
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In reply to bonfarr • 7:46a, 12/6/24
Can you link that fox report?

E-bike is not synonymous with a bike one rents and rides around on.
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In reply to Mark Stoops • 7:49a, 12/6/24
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Mark Stoops said:
If this guy is identified and goes to trial, it's just going to keep the light shining on these disgusting practices. Yeah you'll get your man, but you'll fall even further behind with the masses as the trial drags on. It's just going to keep it in the zeitgeist that much longer.

This is a very interesting take. Maybe correlates to the message 'Depose'.

Maybe getting caught and going to trial was all part of the plan to expose the insurance companies. On the other hand it's hard to get caught if they don't wanna catch you.

Just makes you think a little.

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In reply to BMX Bandit • 7:50a, 12/6/24
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Can you link that fox report?

E-bike is not synonymous with a bike one rents and rides around on.


This timeline map says he mounted an electric Citibike which I assumed was a rental. The map is from the Fox report, the link below is info on Citibike.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/04/nyregion/citi-bike-records-uhc-shooting.html

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In reply to Madman • 7:53a, 12/6/24
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How should a city PD handle any murder case?

While I am glad that they are looking for the murdered, I can't help but think when the average New Yorker gets shot in the street this level of response doesn't happen.

Do CEO's deserve more justice?

Or does something about the circumstances of this murder make it deserving of more resources?
No, his murder is just like any average New Yorker getting shot in the street.
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Saw some reports last night that he was on video leaving the subway carrying an e-bike battery. Seems more like he had his own getaway bike stashed somewhere and carried the battery to it to make sure it was ready to go.
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In reply to Madman • 8:16a, 12/6/24
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How should a city PD handle any murder case?

While I am glad that they are looking for the murdered, I can't help but think when the average New Yorker gets shot in the street this level of response doesn't happen.

Do CEO's deserve more justice?

Or does something about the circumstances of this murder make it deserving of more resources?

Back in the day if they wanted to change the narrative of the week, they'd have a mass shooting in school or movie theater. Too many people were catching on to the grift.

These days the public requires more interaction and entertainment value from their distractions. This is a real life murder mystery that touches on greedy insurance co., rich vs poor, evil corporation vs the common man, etc. with the added element of the murder video and a man on the run.




Look at the front page of F16 right now............



Where did all the discussion of Hunter's pardon for a decade of corruption of the current President of the United Sates go?




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8:17a, 12/6/24
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Why is the FBI involved?
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This is what happens when an intelligent determined individual carries out a planned crime. If the victim was anyone else, it would make it's way to cold cases in a month. Did he make a mistake and show his face to CCTV? I suspect that's the only chance they have to catch him.

More to ponder, is this an isolated incident, or a product of the state of our society driving more competent individuals to crime?
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8:21a, 12/6/24
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is there a subreddit on this?
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In reply to fire09 • 8:23a, 12/6/24
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Assuming the guy has a passport, drivers license, etc, his photo is tied to his real identity somewhere. The couple of unmasked photos we've seen of the guy probably aren't good enough for an AI / computer vision "100% match" but very well could be good enough to narrow it down to a few hundred people. My guess is they are currently working with a list of names of about that size and eliminating possible matches one by one.
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Ag In Ok said:
Why is the FBI involved?

Manhunt of a person responsible for the public assassination of a high profile CEO.

Not that they're much help but seems reasonable the FBI would get involved.
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