United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC

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So the bit about leaving brass behind… deliberate (so we'd see the messages) and not as clumsy as initially thought?
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Marauder Blue 6 said:

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Police believe the shooter used a B&T Station Six, known in Great Britain as a Welrod pistol, according to police sources. The gun doesn't have a silencer but does have a long barrel that enables the 9 mm to fire a nearly silent shot. The gun requires manually cycling ammunition from the magazine.

The weapon is not easily attainable so investigators have been running down all recent purchases, according to police sources. NYPD detectives arrived Thursday at a gun shop in Connecticut that sold a weapon of the same type, sources said.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=116475329

It was a bolt action pistol, the shooter wasn't clearing jams.

I don't think this was the weapon. You can see the slide cycle during the first shot. Plus, gunman isn't pulling the slide very far back to clear the jam. In the video below, it seems like there's a lot more to cycling the weapon than what shooting video shows.


Dam, how is that gun that quiet? Seems like a 9mm would be a lot louder than that ? I don't own one but a friend does and I remember it being much louder
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Tom Fox said:

94chem said:

Cool. Now step down off your philosophical high horse and join the real world. What should be done with children who are born disabled and are lifelong wards of the state? I could list a hundred examples, but I won't. Your logical fallacy isn't really worth pursuing to the end point. Perhaps you are young and can afford to be completely ideologically driven because you haven't seen enough things. But perhaps you could visit a country where they choose not to care for the most vulnerable people, and see for yourself how that looks. Feel free to restrict yourself to wealthy countries. Feel free to even look at some parts of the US.
What happened to them 100 years ago?

I am 50 years old. Deployed to Iraq 3x and East Africa. I was in law enforcement for over a decade. I have seen plenty of abject poverty.

I just do not care to pay for them. I pay a quarter of a million dollars annually just in fed income taxes. The bottom 50% pay almost net zero. I am over it. I should get to decide where and when my charity gets spent. We are not socialists here in America. At least I thought that we were not.

If we are going to collectively decide to fund this, everyone should pay the exact same net fed income tax rate and see if we still have the appetite to do this. Otherwise it is foisted on me by those not paying their fair share.



You only make 7 figures? 5 minutes at the doctor could bankrupt you tomorrow.

Regardless, I went to two of those countries and adopted a disabled child. I just don't buy into your eugenics. I do thank you for helping to put him through college, though. Someday he'll have a white collar job, and maybe by your measure provide as much economic benefit as he costs. I mean, since economic cost-benefit analysis is really the only worthwhile measure of a human life. And you call yourself pro-life. This is rich. Good stuff.

And God forbid that someone choose a profession in public service, teaching, or any career that can't afford a major illness or accident.

Sure, your idea would work in a failed state. I mean, it would be the only viable option. But on the other hand, what you're proposing has zero chance of ever becoming law, so why don't you work on things that can actually help...like reducing costs through better preventative care, reducing fraud in Medicare and Medicaid, eliminating middle men in the insurance industry. If you would choose to think rather than pontificate, you could provide benefit to the conservative causes of personal responsibility and basic liberties.
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Subsonic ammo. Takes the crack (sonic boom) outta the bullet flight. The gas is handled by the suppressor
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GrapevineAg said:

So the bit about leaving brass behind… deliberate (so we'd see the messages) and not as clumsy as initially thought?


InVEsTigaTIonS sTiLl OnGoInG. Wat do u ThINk "Deny, defend, depose" MeAns?

It is funny how the articles I've read don't seem to follow any more than what he wrote on the casings.
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94chem said:

Tom Fox said:

94chem said:

Cool. Now step down off your philosophical high horse and join the real world. What should be done with children who are born disabled and are lifelong wards of the state? I could list a hundred examples, but I won't. Your logical fallacy isn't really worth pursuing to the end point. Perhaps you are young and can afford to be completely ideologically driven because you haven't seen enough things. But perhaps you could visit a country where they choose not to care for the most vulnerable people, and see for yourself how that looks. Feel free to restrict yourself to wealthy countries. Feel free to even look at some parts of the US.
What happened to them 100 years ago?

I am 50 years old. Deployed to Iraq 3x and East Africa. I was in law enforcement for over a decade. I have seen plenty of abject poverty.

I just do not care to pay for them. I pay a quarter of a million dollars annually just in fed income taxes. The bottom 50% pay almost net zero. I am over it. I should get to decide where and when my charity gets spent. We are not socialists here in America. At least I thought that we were not.

If we are going to collectively decide to fund this, everyone should pay the exact same net fed income tax rate and see if we still have the appetite to do this. Otherwise it is foisted on me by those not paying their fair share.



You only make 7 figures? 5 minutes at the doctor could bankrupt you tomorrow.

Regardless, I went to two of those countries and adopted a disabled child. I just don't buy into your eugenics. I do thank you for helping to put him through college, though. Someday he'll have a white collar job, and maybe by your measure provide as much economic benefit as he costs. I mean, since economic cost-benefit analysis is really the only worthwhile measure of a human life. And you call yourself pro-life. This is rich. Good stuff.

And God forbid that someone choose a profession in public service, teaching, or any career that can't afford a major illness or accident.

Sure, your idea would work in a failed state. I mean, it would be the only viable option. But on the other hand, what you're proposing has zero chance of ever becoming law, so why don't you work on things that can actually help...like reducing costs through better preventative care, reducing fraud in Medicare and Medicaid, eliminating middle men in the insurance industry. If you would choose to think rather than pontificate, you could provide benefit to the conservative causes of personal responsibility and basic liberties.
I spent 18 years in public service so spare me your sermon. I'm not doing an economic cost benefit analysis. I am saying everyone should be responsible for paying for themselves. Period. No analysis required.

Was the United States in 1890 a failed state? How about 1900? 1910? 1920? I want the government out and individual responsibility in.
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94chem said:

Tom Fox said:

94chem said:

Cool. Now step down off your philosophical high horse and join the real world. What should be done with children who are born disabled and are lifelong wards of the state? I could list a hundred examples, but I won't. Your logical fallacy isn't really worth pursuing to the end point. Perhaps you are young and can afford to be completely ideologically driven because you haven't seen enough things. But perhaps you could visit a country where they choose not to care for the most vulnerable people, and see for yourself how that looks. Feel free to restrict yourself to wealthy countries. Feel free to even look at some parts of the US.
What happened to them 100 years ago?

I am 50 years old. Deployed to Iraq 3x and East Africa. I was in law enforcement for over a decade. I have seen plenty of abject poverty.

I just do not care to pay for them. I pay a quarter of a million dollars annually just in fed income taxes. The bottom 50% pay almost net zero. I am over it. I should get to decide where and when my charity gets spent. We are not socialists here in America. At least I thought that we were not.

If we are going to collectively decide to fund this, everyone should pay the exact same net fed income tax rate and see if we still have the appetite to do this. Otherwise it is foisted on me by those not paying their fair share.



You only make 7 figures? 5 minutes at the doctor could bankrupt you tomorrow.

Regardless, I went to two of those countries and adopted a disabled child. I just don't buy into your eugenics. I do thank you for helping to put him through college, though. Someday he'll have a white collar job, and maybe by your measure provide as much economic benefit as he costs. I mean, since economic cost-benefit analysis is really the only worthwhile measure of a human life. And you call yourself pro-life. This is rich. Good stuff.

And God forbid that someone choose a profession in public service, teaching, or any career that can't afford a major illness or accident.

Sure, your idea would work in a failed state. I mean, it would be the only viable option. But on the other hand, what you're proposing has zero chance of ever becoming law, so why don't you work on things that can actually help...like reducing costs through better preventative care, reducing fraud in Medicare and Medicaid, eliminating middle men in the insurance industry. If you would choose to think rather than pontificate, you could provide benefit to the conservative causes of personal responsibility and basic liberties.


The disabled used to get cared for by charity.

When caring for the diasabled and infirm was charitable only instead of state mandated care, the caregiver jobs tended to attract people that actually cared vs beaurocrats that won't get fired for doing a poor job.

The biggest issue with Healthcare is that it is no longer run by doctors.

Not even public health is.

The doctors who go into public health do so as a speciality and many of them have not seen or treated a patient since medical school.

Get senseless beaurocrats and the middle men out of healthcare and costs go waaaaay down.

Many people estimate as much as 50%.

Doctors have not seen a rise in wages and quality of life in about 15 years.

And yet healthcare costs keep going up.

You know why?

It's the same reason the cost of education keeps rising and yet teachers stil get paid **** and students are doing horribly.

Administration costs are skyrocketing.

25% of healthcare money is spent on end of life palliative care and not treating people who will live longer than 6 months.

Another 30% on administration

I have no problem with helping grandma die comfortably...but doing needless surgeries on 80 year Olds to get them another 6 months is insane. If the family wants to spend that then okay. But tax dollars should not go to that.

Sorry but if the taxpayer is footing the bill then limits have to be imposed to keep costs down.

Get rid of those tow things and start supporting the creation of clinics where everything is fee for service and FSA/HSA funded and costs drop dramatically.

Insurance should only be for catastrophic conditions qhere the cost would otherwise be kmpossible.

The problem is that now with costs so high, even simple procedures are cost prohibitive because in our country we have unofficial socialized medicine-

Medicare medicaid ER stabilization, all these things working to

1) allow beaurocrats and *******s to milk the system for money

2) put the burden of costs directly onto taxpayers who have no say in how those dollars are spent

3) put the burden on the insured so that insurance companies have to play a shell game with doctors and providers in order to try to reduce their own costs and stay profitable.

4) give nonhealthcare providers authority to have direct say in the care provided to patients.
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DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


Ha ha yeah the federal government doesn't funnel our tax money to the rich. That's a good one!
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Come on staff, this thread is getting ruined by the usual suspects.

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So end result, when they close in, perp eats a bullet and we never get any real info like the PA assassin?

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***** is undefeated.
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aTm2004 said:

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FYI...I'm not celebrating his death. But knowing what his company and his competitor's companies do makes me not care. There is a difference.

We will find out the why, and I do hope it is the reason many of us are thinking it is so hopefully they'll take a pause and look at their business practices and make a change.


A billion dollar insurance company is going to change their ways. That's hilarious. I needed a good laugh.
It's like the flag in golf...there for hope. A Christmas miracle perhaps?

Well well well…






Just as I expected, these people are cowards. One hint of actual physical pushback on a personal level and they fold like wet blankets.
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eric76 said:

TAMUallen said:

eric76 said:

TAMUallen said:

eric76 said:

TAMUallen said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.


What do you think of the VA? You wanna go there and have that be your medical care?
I know people who love the VA. From what I've heard, the VA in Amarillo is generally considered to be pretty good.


Of course that's your thought. My goodness. There's entire movies and series that focus on how bad it is but you're a fan. You're certainly not a person who has ever used the VA
What the hell are you talking about?

I damn sure know people around here who love the VA.

My impression from others in other areas is that it can really vary depending on where you are located.


You've never used the VA, anywhere. I'll let others eat you alive, troll
One guy who lives about two blocks from office is a big fan of the VA. He likes it enough that he would rather drive to Amarillo to go to the VA hospital there than to drive to the nearest doctor's office here.

He told me once that he has friends from around Oklahoma City who have had nothing but problems with the VA hospital there and wish that the one in Oklahoma City was like the one in Amarillo.

I will believe close friends who have used the VA for years.

If you want to see a troll, look in your bathroom mirror.
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LawHall88 said:

***** is undefeated.



That is great and all, but the shooter wasn't wearing a hoodie, and this guy is. The shooter's jacket has a built-in hood.

What am I missing here?
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That's from him checking into the hostel, so I'm going with it's at least a day before the shooting.
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William Foster said:

Dicer said:

I think this is all one giant government psyop to scare us plebians. Thompson was the target for other reasons and this "suspect" is just a patsy to keep things moving. Just my .02
If we're going to ponder psy-ops...I do actually wonder how much of the online sentiment on places like Texags/Tiger Droppings/Twitter/Reddit etc. is monitored in the immediate wake of such events to guage just how harsh the general public sentiment is against the elite. Even most of us who believe it was wrong are like "meh, these insurance companies are soulless and have f***ed over me/my wife/my child/my mother etc etc".

If they have the means, the truly elite and diabolical would be fools not to do this type of data collection just to always keep a finger on the pulse, and maneuver accordingly.


Not one single person I talked to today was upset about the shooting. Vitality all of them were "Health Insurance companies suck"!
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P.H. Dexippus said:

That's from him checking into the hostel, so I'm going with it's at least a day before the shooting.
Reported he checked in Nov 30
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The hostel probably has 30 days of video and NYPD reviewed it for the best picture of the guy.
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P.H. Dexippus said:

The hostel probably has 30 days of video and NYPD reviewed it for the best picture of the guy.

Now saying there is evidence shooter was in NYC since 24 Nov...

Quote:

A swarm of plainclothes NYPD cops and FBI agents searched the hostel Wednesday, residents told The Post.

The suspect appears to have used a fake New Jersey ID to check into the hostel on Nov. 30, sources said.

But investigators also found signs the killer had been in New York City since Nov. 24, though it's unclear where he was staying before he checked into the hostel, according to sources.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/05/us-news/manhunt-for-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompsons-killer-enters-second-day-heres-what-major-clues-investigators-are-looking-at/
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LOl, trying to talk common sense to liberals!
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If he used a Station 6, that's a gun nerd's nerd gun.

He's either a real assassin, was given that by one, or was actually intelligent.
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aggieforester05 said:

Pumpkinhead said:

They will soon identify this guy if haven't already. In these digital times with cell phones and video cameras everywhere, extremely difficult to get clean away with something like this.

Bound to be some DNA evidence somewhere. Especially if reports are true that he left a water bottle at the scene and dropped a cell phone.

Two things I learned from the Murdaugh trial is that they can detect DNA on just about anything now and your cell phone tracks your every more.

Any of these and he's toast:

If he had his personal cell phone connected to towers or with wifi/bluetooth enabled.

If he got DNA on a burner phone, shell casings, or water bottle.

If he rented an ebike without using a prepaid card.

If that's really his face in those photos.

If he had any prior communication (threats or otherwise) with the CEO.

If he had taken any legal action against UHC.

If they find the gun or suppressor.



Hes not toast if hes also the DC Jan 6 pipe bomber. They will never find him….I mean expose.
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DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Tom Fox said:

The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.



No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.


Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.
Translation: Why should veterans be the only ones dying while waiting for government run healthcare?
we should all have that opportunity !
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There are reports he arrived in NYC by bus from Atlanta.
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They have a clean picture of his face. I bet they already know who he is, but they can't find him. I'd be shocked if he's not dead or in jail by tomorrow.
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Good post.
94chem,
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FriscoKid said:

They have a clean picture of his face. I bet they already know who he is, but they can't find him. I'd be shocked if he's not dead or in jail by tomorrow.


I wonder if he'll have better aim at himself.
94chem,
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How should a city PD handle any murder case?

While I am glad that they are looking for the murdered, I can't help but think when the average New Yorker gets shot in the street this level of response doesn't happen.

Do CEO's deserve more justice?

Or does something about the circumstances of this murder make it deserving of more resources?
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Madman said:

How should a city PD handle any murder case?

While I am glad that they are looking for the murdered, I can't help but think when the average New Yorker gets shot in the street this level of response doesn't happen.

Do CEO's deserve more justice?

Or does something about the circumstances of this murder make it deserving of more resources?
One of the most insightful posts in this thread, thank you.
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Madman said:

How should a city PD handle any murder case?

While I am glad that they are looking for the murdered, I can't help but think when the average New Yorker gets shot in the street this level of response doesn't happen.

Do CEO's deserve more justice?

Or does something about the circumstances of this murder make it deserving of more resources?


It's not a murder. It's an assassination.
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Madman said:

How should a city PD handle any murder case?

While I am glad that they are looking for the murdered, I can't help but think when the average New Yorker gets shot in the street this level of response doesn't happen.

Do CEO's deserve more justice?

Or does something about the circumstances of this murder make it deserving of more resources?
"Oh look, a rich white dude gets shot and the whole department is on the case and there's multiple press conferences!"

That could be the short answer. But I don't think it's a simple "black and white," yeah I see what I did there, answer. This was a planned hit/assassination on a reasonably high profile individual. It happened in one of the most iconic parts of the city that's seen as an urban post card for the whole of America. Shoot the first time I ever went to NYC I stayed in a hotel just around the corner from this Hilton, and others in my party stayed at this Hilton. This is mid-town Manhattan. A short walk from Times Square, Broadway theaters, Rockefeller Tower/Plaza, Radio City Music Hall, Central Park, the shops on 5th Avenue.

More importantly, everyone in every business, every pedestrian, every witness seems to be cooperating. Other parts of the city, someone ends up dead and NYPD is met with "**** the Police!" and rampant non-cooperation. Cops can't do their jobs if the locals won't cooperate.

Is it right? No, not really. But you can't help those that don't seem to want the help either.
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Maybe left the country by now?
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Just from the perspective of our corrupt oligarchs, is it really a net good thing for them if this guy is caught? He's very likely going to have a very tragic, relatable, and completely avoidable backstory involving the death or severely degraded life of a loved one due to UH denying claims that are indefensible. Not guaranteed, but a very likely scenario.

If this guy is identified and goes to trial, it's just going to keep the light shining on these disgusting practices. Yeah you'll get your man, but you'll fall even further behind with the masses as the trial drags on. It's just going to keep it in the zeitgeist that much longer.
 
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