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Cool. Now step down off your philosophical high horse and join the real world. What should be done with children who are born disabled and are lifelong wards of the state? I could list a hundred examples, but I won't. Your logical fallacy isn't really worth pursuing to the end point. Perhaps you are young and can afford to be completely ideologically driven because you haven't seen enough things. But perhaps you could visit a country where they choose not to care for the most vulnerable people, and see for yourself how that looks. Feel free to restrict yourself to wealthy countries. Feel free to even look at some parts of the US.

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What happened to them 100 years ago?

I am 50 years old. Deployed to Iraq 3x and East Africa. I was in law enforcement for over a decade. I have seen plenty of abject poverty.

I just do not care to pay for them. I pay a quarter of a million dollars annually just in fed income taxes. The bottom 50% pay almost net zero. I am over it. I should get to decide where and when my charity gets spent. We are not socialists here in America. At least I thought that we were not.

If we are going to collectively decide to fund this, everyone should pay the exact same net fed income tax rate and see if we still have the appetite to do this. Otherwise it is foisted on me by those not paying their fair share.

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You only make 7 figures? 5 minutes at the doctor could bankrupt you tomorrow.

Regardless, I went to two of those countries and adopted a disabled child. I just don't buy into your eugenics. I do thank you for helping to put him through college, though. Someday he'll have a white collar job, and maybe by your measure provide as much economic benefit as he costs. I mean, since economic cost-benefit analysis is really the only worthwhile measure of a human life. And you call yourself pro-life. This is rich. Good stuff.

And God forbid that someone choose a profession in public service, teaching, or any career that can't afford a major illness or accident.

Sure, your idea would work in a failed state. I mean, it would be the only viable option. But on the other hand, what you're proposing has zero chance of ever becoming law, so why don't you work on things that can actually help...like reducing costs through better preventative care, reducing fraud in Medicare and Medicaid, eliminating middle men in the insurance industry. If you would choose to think rather than pontificate, you could provide benefit to the conservative causes of personal responsibility and basic liberties.

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I spent 18 years in public service so spare me your sermon. I'm not doing an economic cost benefit analysis. I am saying everyone should be responsible for paying for themselves. Period. No analysis required.

Was the United States in 1890 a failed state? How about 1900? 1910? 1920? I want the government out and individual responsibility in.

94chem said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Cool. Now step down off your philosophical high horse and join the real world. What should be done with children who are born disabled and are lifelong wards of the state? I could list a hundred examples, but I won't. Your logical fallacy isn't really worth pursuing to the end point. Perhaps you are young and can afford to be completely ideologically driven because you haven't seen enough things. But perhaps you could visit a country where they choose not to care for the most vulnerable people, and see for yourself how that looks. Feel free to restrict yourself to wealthy countries. Feel free to even look at some parts of the US.

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What happened to them 100 years ago?

I am 50 years old. Deployed to Iraq 3x and East Africa. I was in law enforcement for over a decade. I have seen plenty of abject poverty.

I just do not care to pay for them. I pay a quarter of a million dollars annually just in fed income taxes. The bottom 50% pay almost net zero. I am over it. I should get to decide where and when my charity gets spent. We are not socialists here in America. At least I thought that we were not.

If we are going to collectively decide to fund this, everyone should pay the exact same net fed income tax rate and see if we still have the appetite to do this. Otherwise it is foisted on me by those not paying their fair share.

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You only make 7 figures? 5 minutes at the doctor could bankrupt you tomorrow.

Regardless, I went to two of those countries and adopted a disabled child. I just don't buy into your eugenics. I do thank you for helping to put him through college, though. Someday he'll have a white collar job, and maybe by your measure provide as much economic benefit as he costs. I mean, since economic cost-benefit analysis is really the only worthwhile measure of a human life. And you call yourself pro-life. This is rich. Good stuff.

And God forbid that someone choose a profession in public service, teaching, or any career that can't afford a major illness or accident.

Sure, your idea would work in a failed state. I mean, it would be the only viable option. But on the other hand, what you're proposing has zero chance of ever becoming law, so why don't you work on things that can actually help...like reducing costs through better preventative care, reducing fraud in Medicare and Medicaid, eliminating middle men in the insurance industry. If you would choose to think rather than pontificate, you could provide benefit to the conservative causes of personal responsibility and basic liberties.

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The disabled used to get cared for by charity.

When caring for the diasabled and infirm was charitable only instead of state mandated care, the caregiver jobs tended to attract people that actually cared vs beaurocrats that won't get fired for doing a poor job.

The biggest issue with Healthcare is that it is no longer run by doctors.

Not even public health is.

The doctors who go into public health do so as a speciality and many of them have not seen or treated a patient since medical school.

Get senseless beaurocrats and the middle men out of healthcare and costs go waaaaay down.

Many people estimate as much as 50%.

Doctors have not seen a rise in wages and quality of life in about 15 years.

And yet healthcare costs keep going up.

You know why?

It's the same reason the cost of education keeps rising and yet teachers stil get paid **** and students are doing horribly.

Administration costs are skyrocketing.

25% of healthcare money is spent on end of life palliative care and not treating people who will live longer than 6 months.

Another 30% on administration

I have no problem with helping grandma die comfortably...but doing needless surgeries on 80 year Olds to get them another 6 months is insane. If the family wants to spend that then okay. But tax dollars should not go to that.

Sorry but if the taxpayer is footing the bill then limits have to be imposed to keep costs down.

Get rid of those tow things and start supporting the creation of clinics where everything is fee for service and FSA/HSA funded and costs drop dramatically.

Insurance should only be for catastrophic conditions qhere the cost would otherwise be kmpossible.

The problem is that now with costs so high, even simple procedures are cost prohibitive because in our country we have unofficial socialized medicine-

Medicare medicaid ER stabilization, all these things working to

1) allow beaurocrats and *******s to milk the system for money

2) put the burden of costs directly onto taxpayers who have no say in how those dollars are spent

3) put the burden on the insured so that insurance companies have to play a shell game with doctors and providers in order to try to reduce their own costs and stay profitable.

4) give nonhealthcare providers authority to have direct say in the care provided to patients.

Come on staff, this thread is getting ruined by the usual suspects.

***** is undefeated.

Wow. Per @JohnMillerCNN, among the interviews law enforcement has been conducting, they spoke to a female employee at the hostel who said, at one point, she asked the then-masked man to lower his mask while flirting with him, which is when this photo released by NYPD today was… pic.twitter.com/elHa7r70N7

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) December 6, 2024

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FYI...I'm not celebrating his death. But knowing what his company and his competitor's companies do makes me not care. There is a difference.

We will find out the why, and I do hope it is the reason many of us are thinking it is so hopefully they'll take a pause and look at their business practices and make a change.

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A billion dollar insurance company is going to change their ways. That's hilarious. I needed a good laugh.

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It's like the flag in golf...there for hope. A Christmas miracle perhaps?

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Well well well…

BREAKING: Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield reverses decision to put a time limit on anesthesia https://t.co/2uevQJ0NAO

— The Associated Press (@AP) December 5, 2024

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"We wont cover all your anesthesia"
*Healthcare CEO gets shot in the head
"We changed our mind" https://t.co/Kq3wc6gAkQ

— MoshiMoshiMoan (@MoshiMoshiMoan) December 5, 2024

Just as I expected, these people are cowards. One hint of actual physical pushback on a personal level and they fold like wet blankets.

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I think this is all one giant government psyop to scare us plebians. Thompson was the target for other reasons and this "suspect" is just a patsy to keep things moving. Just my .02

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If we're going to ponder psy-ops...I do actually wonder how much of the online sentiment on places like Texags/Tiger Droppings/Twitter/Reddit etc. is monitored in the immediate wake of such events to guage just how harsh the general public sentiment is against the elite. Even most of us who believe it was wrong are like "meh, these insurance companies are soulless and have f***ed over me/my wife/my child/my mother etc etc".

If they have the means, the truly elite and diabolical would be fools not to do this type of data collection just to always keep a finger on the pulse, and maneuver accordingly.

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Not one single person I talked to today was upset about the shooting. Vitality all of them were "Health Insurance companies suck"!

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The answer is simple. Eliminate health insurance. You pay cash when you are treated and let the free market dictate pricing.

It will be cheaper for everyone and save us trillions in tax revenue.

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No. Just nationalize it like every other first world country. No insurance, no private equity, no profit.

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Who pays for that? Me, like now?

So I still pay a crap ton in taxes and now have slower or worse care while the proletariat gets identical care for nothing? F that! Healthcare is not a right.

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You already pay for other people's healthcare if you have insurance. National healthcare is basically just public insurance that everyone pays into, except there is no profit seeking middle man.

I don't know about you, but I would rather pay into a system that helps everyone than pay into a system that funnels money to the rich, even if my healthcare is slightly worse.

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Translation: Why should veterans be the only ones dying while waiting for government run healthcare?
we should all have that opportunity !

How should a city PD handle any murder case?

While I am glad that they are looking for the murdered, I can't help but think when the average New Yorker gets shot in the street this level of response doesn't happen.

Do CEO's deserve more justice?

Or does something about the circumstances of this murder make it deserving of more resources?

Following the shooting of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, multiple major health insurance companies have taken their executive leadership pages offline, per 404Media.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) December 6, 2024

Just from the perspective of our corrupt oligarchs, is it really a net good thing for them if this guy is caught? He's very likely going to have a very tragic, relatable, and completely avoidable backstory involving the death or severely degraded life of a loved one due to UH denying claims that are indefensible. Not guaranteed, but a very likely scenario.

If this guy is identified and goes to trial, it's just going to keep the light shining on these disgusting practices. Yeah you'll get your man, but you'll fall even further behind with the masses as the trial drags on. It's just going to keep it in the zeitgeist that much longer.