Europe doesn't need Russia for a healthy economy. The Russian economy is very small. They are only a trading partner on energy. As far as needing cheap Russian gas, the need is only there because of some incredibly stupid policy decisions made by the Europeans. These policy decisions take some time to undo, but they are not irrevocable.texagbeliever said:
I think you are underestimating how weak Western Europe is strategically. They need Russia for a healthy economy. They need USA in case Russia says no in order to prevent a total collapse. It is USA exports that are keeping gas prices relatively stable and promise relief in a few years if this issue isn't resolved. So Europe can't go do there own thing against the will of America.
What you are saying might apply to the average European but the WEF elitists in the EU and UN would be quite happy for things to go back to how they were. They are convinced that, given a little more time and a lot more of their middle class taxpayer's wealth, that their green initiatives would have allowed them to break away from Russian energy. They will try to stimmy their way through this hoping to avoid violent insurrection and then go back to the green energy grift once things moderate.twk said:Look, no one has a lower opinion of Biden than me, but you are making the mistake of thinking that the world revolves around the US, sort of like people used to think that the universe revolved around the Earth. European opinion is not monolithic, but the continent has largely owned up the fact that being dependent on Russian gas was a mistake. While their are some folks who are fearful of making it through the short term without Russian gas, in the long run, pretty much everyone over there would like to correct their mistake and not be so vulnerable to Russia. If you think that Biden is calling the shots, then you are severely overestimating his power. The Europeans do not want Russia overrunning its former empire -- not even the Europeans on the Russian payroll want that. The question of what kind of price they are willing to pay to prevent this is yet to be answered, but it's clearly a lot higher price than people would have thought (including Putin) before February 24.File5 said:
NATO proxy war would be correct also too, IMO. But where we go, they go it seems. Does the EU care as much about Ukraine winning as the US does? To me it seems no, especially since EU is reliant on Russian gas, already hurting, and about to have a cold winter. Joe can't be seen to lose another "war" before the midterms at the very least, which aren't very far away thankfully.
The amount of gas that Europe would need to conduct business as normal simply isn't going to be there. Maybe there are some WEF elites who dream of a sudden capitulation by Ukraine and reversal of economic sanctions against Russia, but that's not happening. European industry is getting hammered this winter. That cake is already baked.texagbeliever said:
I think you are downplaying the urgency of the issue presently facing the European economies. Yes Russia over 20 years shouldn't have much influence but now they do. It is a bit like the Texas revolutionary war. Santa Anna had 3-4x the troops. Yet he surrendered. Why, because he was captured after unnecessarily risking himself due to arrogance. Yes Western Europe could survive a cold winter without Russian or American gas. However, the politicians and financial elite likely would not, and that is who will be making the decisions. Those politicians will want to play nice and make the situation as tolerable as possible to keep their power.
NEW - Companies declared insolvent in England and Wales jumped by 42% in August compared to last year, according to government data — Guardian
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I think Kim is also ignoring the global recession that is underway.File5 said:
I think you're on the money, they don't have manufacturing capability right now due to gas shortages. Just putting out there way someone would normally be interested in a lower Euro.
The US proxy war comment implies that the US is propping this whole stalemate up regardless of the EUs best interest because the US can't be seen to lose this, whereas if we weren't then these countries would be forced to accept terms that would be better for their economies, albeit at the expense of Ukraine.
UK currently has 9 TWh of gas stored, compared with 217 TWh in Germany, 122 TWh in France & 162 TWh in Italy.
— Jan Rosenow (@janrosenow) September 17, 2022
"The UK government dismantled its largest gas storage facility in 2017, a decision taken by then chief secretary to the treasury – Liz Truss." https://t.co/mTMtIbcFw4 pic.twitter.com/cUmaXpgl7t
1/ In the second half of the 16th century, Britain plunged into an energy crisis. At the time, the primary source of energy driving the British economy was heat derived from the burning of wood, and Britain was literally running out of trees.
— Doomberg (@DoombergT) September 17, 2022
Meanwhile, Austria’s 100 year govt bond, maturing in June 2120, has in 10 months gone from 140 to 42… a loss of 70%…
— Wall Street Silver (@WallStreetSilv) September 20, 2022
The hodlers since inception are enjoying an annual coupon of 0.85% for the next 98 years… pic.twitter.com/3Ux3fY9n5p
Germany PPI increased 7.9% MoM in August, the fastest pace since records began… YoY prices increased a staggering 45.8%…
— Wall Street Silver (@WallStreetSilv) September 20, 2022
Weimar 2.0… pic.twitter.com/lyn53YUDSo
Europe's fertilizer production shutdowns, in one map 👇#oatt #Fertilisers #fertilizer #Europe #inflation pic.twitter.com/coaZ0w2j4x
— Prof. Michael Tanchum (@michaeltanchum) September 22, 2022
Thiel: “There are 3 tangible futures. Islamic sharia law, Chinese totalitarian AI, or hyper-environmentalism” pic.twitter.com/tz8mMIsMd5
— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) September 23, 2022
MORE - This was in part an agreement to appease the Green parties in government who have been noteworthy for their long-standing opposition to nuclear power, according to the Brussel Times.https://t.co/SfKJ62vzuU
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) September 23, 2022
She's literally threatening to impose sanctions on countries that democratically elect leaders the EU doesn't like. They already did it to Hungary.
— Paul Joseph Watson (@PrisonPlanet) September 23, 2022
The EU is a totalitarian outrage. https://t.co/17V3KQr3X9
Maybe you start to get your wish tomorrow. Isn't Italy's election the Right is projected to win with an anti globalist candidate tomorrow? (the 25th).YouBet said:
I'm at the point where the EU, in its current form, needs to fail.
This lady threatens that if a sovereign people don't vote right then she has tools to course correct them, and then in the same breath says governments should be accountable to the people.
The latter is exactly what those people are doing. You can't have both you hypocritical moron.
That is crazy. Even if the Russians felt driven to such an extreme, it would still be a mad idea. I mean, why not trying just blowing up the govts wanting war first (and informal ones like Brussels and Davos), and see how that "Mad Max" world works out if they feel trapped? Even by MAD and nuclear scenarios, it doesn't make sense to blow up everything.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Outstanding!
Great job to everyone involved. Nice work.
Globalist media in full-on panic mode https://t.co/F4ArEH1Xtn
— Jack Posobiec XLV (@JackPosobiec) September 25, 2022
Europe is running out of the wood needed to power a modern economy!https://t.co/cWmOYohVPd@WallStreetSilv @DoombergT @wmiddelkoop @HarmlessYardDog pic.twitter.com/xQAcpw90PX
— Weimar Silver Baron (@BankerWeimar) September 26, 2022