*** The Book of Boba Fett *** (Discussion Thread) Wed Dec 29 - Feb 9

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bearamedic99 said:

Last, are we getting an Ahsoka series?


Yes, officially announced by Disney/Lucasfilm last year. Currently in the casting stage and is the next series set to film after Mando S3 wraps in the spring and before Andor S2 films in the fall.
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So much Star Ward awesome in this finale. So much.
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I really enjoyed people riding up to help, and then just getting out where Boba and Mando were pinned down and just joining them.
Great story telling
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Aggie_Journalist said:

That was such a waste of a finale. A waste of Cad Bane. A waste of a show.

Outflanked by a full Pyke attack, boba Fett loses 2 gamorrean guards, and that's it? Come on. This should have been an emperor strike's back end to the season where he loses it all, barely escapes with us life, and is left with a clear mission of vengeance against Cad Bane and the Pykes. Instead, the miracle of plot armor keeps everyone with a human face alive and Boba Fett now rules Tatooine with no direction for his story to go.

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Well said, and right there with you. They had a chance to capitalize on the momentum of episodes five and six and really do something cool and interesting that sets up season two nicely, with Boba finally having something in present-day/real-time to avenge/fight for. Instead, they wrapped up everything with a nice, tidy bow in the most bland, corny, and underwhelming way possible.

At this point I can only assume there's no season two planned and this was merely meant to be a stop-gap/side quest to fill the year between Mando S2 and S3, knowing Pedro Pascal would be off filming The Last of Us. Otherwise, there's zero Boba story left to tell, unless they just make some sh*t up from scratch. But at this point, frankly, I never want to see this iteration of Boba and his posse again.
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What if all the Star Wars tv series -- Mando, Boba Fett, Andor, and Ahsoka, are all building towards one big event, and it all culminates in a series/movie with a fight against Thrawn?

That could essentially become a de-facto replacement ST without having to actually retcon anything.
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That's what the ScreenCrush guy keeps saying. He's convinced this is all leading toward an Avengers-style event movie or series centered around Mandalore and Thrawn.
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Count me in x10000.
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Can they jump to a different timeline and avoid the ST altogether?
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The finale's interesting moments were hard to enjoy bc the rest of the show was just plain idiotic. Not very good unfortunately.
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Haven't caught up yet but just wanted to say I've hated on this show a lot BUT THAT WAS AWESOME
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I have a few gripes, but I have to admit that it was an entertaining hour.

Was most upset with Cad Bane's "death", but hopefully we get to see more of him in live action.

Had a good chuckle when they poked fun at how terrible "Grogu" is for a name.
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So, I decided to write this post instead of doing the work I'm supposed to be doing.
This is going to really ramble, so hit the eject button now if you know what's good for you.

First, let's talk Luke/Grogu. I went from wondering what Luke's problem was last week with the choice to make to feeling like they sort of put a fast one over on us. Going into that scene where he asks Grogu to choose, Luke knows that Grogu is "remembering" his skills more than Luke is teaching him, and Ahsoka has given him the whole back story about Grogu and Mando's bond.

Luke's compassion and love are what allowed him to redeem Vader at the end. His acceptance that he couldn't save all of his friends allowed him to leave them to their fates on Endor and in the space battle. He had to go the personal route. When he tried to save everyone before, everything went to hell and the only thing that kept Leia and Chewie from being Imperial prisoners was Lando growing a pair; Han was lost to the Fett regardless and Luke lost his hand and his lightsaber (which I believe was caught in mid-air by Maz Kanata, who happened to be painting the bottom of Cloud City that day).

In giving Grogu the choice, Luke is trying to avoid repeating Obi-Wan's mistake, which was not necessarily to train Anakin, but to ignore the obvious signs that he wasn't cut out to be a Jedi because of his inability to separate his possessiveness from his duties to protect everyone.

The prequels don't do the best job of showing that Anakin is The Chosen One in my opinion. In hindsight it would have been great to see him doing things that seemed impossible even for the Jedi, and thus made them look the other way about his attachments to his mom and Padme and his rule-breaking. I wish they could have made him similar to Sir Lancelot in Arthurian lit where they call him "first among equals". For a reference we can all get, Anakin is the prequels Johnny Manziel. You know he's breaking the rules, it's really obvious what he's up to, but when it's go time, he's so much better than everyone else that you look the other way because of what he delivers.

Obi-Wan clearly knows Anakin's romantically involved with Padme, but knows that reporting it to the Council would get Anakin kicked out of the Order, and even if it wasn't the Clone Wars where they need every Jedi they can get, they're friends, and he doesn't want to do that to a friend. Moreover, Obi-Wan doesn't want to fail Qui-Gon again. He thinks he failed him by not making it through that last ray shield thing in the Theed Power Core place, he can't bear to fail him again by not training Anakin up to be the legendary Jedi Qui-Gon thought he could be. But he knows Anakin's priorities aren't right to be a Jedi. He'd sacrifice the entire Order to save Obi-Wan or Padme without blinking an eye, and ultimately does so.

Now, let's put that lens on Luke finding Grogu. He's the same species as Yoda, the most important teacher in Luke's life and a one-in-a-trillion being, who was the greatest of all the Jedi. Meeting another being of that species who can use the Force, Luke feels that he MUST train Grogu, because he's a holdover from the Old Republic, and because if he can be even half the Jedi that Yoda was, he could lead the new Jedi and be their teacher for centuries moving forward. Plus, how could Luke look at Grogu without seeing Yoda? He must have felt like the Force had guided him to that exact spot, connecting the past and future of the Jedi. Had Grogu been an Ugnaught or a Bith or a Bothan, Luke wouldn't have felt that same desperate need to train him to be a Jedi that he clearly feels with Grogu. The familiarity of it makes it impossible for him to stay neutral. And in that, the questions that Ahsoka asks Mando when he is wanting to go see Grogu are probably questions Luke has to ask himself. Why is he so desperate to train Grogu? Why does he offer him Yoda's lightsaber? It feels like he's trying to bribe him into being a Jedi.

Ahsoka then gives Luke the best advice there is, to trust his feelings. I think Luke goes into the last scene with Grogu having read Grogu's feelings and already knowing the answer before he poses the question. The lightsaber is flashy and pretty, but it is a toy next to a gift from Mando, and the symbolism behind it that Mando has been there, is thinking about him, and wanting to know he's all right. At that moment, Luke realizes that having the Force doesn't mean you have to be a Jedi, nor does having the Force mean you can only be safe if you train as a Jedi. The galaxy's full of trillions of beings with no Force powers who keep themselves safe in a trillion different ways. Luke realizes that Grogu's attachment to Mando is more important to him than being a Jedi, and that trying to make him remain a Jedi risks him becoming another Anakin and falling to the Dark Side.

Then we come to the case of Ben Solo, whose mother felt the Dark Side in him at early ages, but only asked Luke to train him when she felt it growing stronger. Luke avoids temptation with Grogu, but can't do it here, because his only true family - his sister - is asking him for help. Her son needs training, and Luke is the only person she trusts. It is the exact situation that Obi-Wan faced with Anakin and Qui-Gon; the person who means the most to you in the world is asking for your help to train an unconventional student. Luke's twin sister is asking for his help. Obi-Wan is asked for help by the man who has been his father figure and is now dying. Both act against their better judgment and say yes.

A second subject is that The Book of Boba Fett is about evolving.

Fett evolves past his bounty hunter ways to try and go straight and help other people.

Mando evolves past the need to be a member of the Watch, realizing that the Creed itself is more valuable to him than the people who set the rules, and that he can be a Mandalorian by his own definition.

Grogu evolves past the point of being told who and what he is and making the decision himself.

Luke evolves past the all-or-nothing, you must be a Jedi mentality that he had at the end of S2.




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That ****s deeper than a Naboo reactor shaft
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All incredibly well said, and you've convinced me all of it was even intentional. I just wish they would have made each of those instances even a bit more apparent.

Also, the Anakin/Johnny analogy is spot-on. Great call. We definitely needed to SEE Anakin "be Johnny"/special more instead of them just talking about it all the damn time.
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amercer said:

Can they jump to a different timeline and avoid the ST altogether?
THIS

New 7, 8, 9
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Guess Fett finally got that respect.
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That was a let down of a finale.

When the best parts of the title character's show are not him...the fails. Boba was less valuable to the season than The Tuscan Raiders, Mando, Grogu, Cad Bane, Cobb Vanth, the Rancor, Luke, Ahsoka, Amy Sedaris, a wookie I didn't know about, a couple of Hutts, even Fennec to an extent.

From the scene at the beginning when Fennec laid out the fight plan exposition for what felt like a full two minutes I knew this was going to be less than optimal.

Boba is a soldier, he's not a leader, that's clear.

Shooting at shields in perpetuity...really?

Multiple bounty hunters cornering themselves at the beginning of a fight?

How far away was the lair? If he can retrieve a slow moving Rancor that quickly why wouldn't they have just all gone there to a fortified position?

The street kids on hover bikes, might have just as well been razor scooters.

This show feels like they figured out in the writers room that the only way to save it was to bring in a team of all stars. And by so they completely undermined any value they were trying to give Boba himself.

I still enjoyed it, don't get me wrong, but this feels like a one-off. Boba should have died, Cobb should have taken over and then had Justified in space. Freetown can be renamed Mos-Harlan County, they can swap the Pykes for space Crowders and space Crowes, and we can all move on together. Starring Timothy Olyphant as Ray-gun Givens of course.
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Aggie_Journalist said:

That was such a waste of a finale. A waste of Cad Bane. A waste of a show.

Outflanked by a full Pyke attack, boba Fett loses 2 gamorrean guards, and that's it? Come on. This should have been an emperor strike's back end to the season where he loses it all, barely escapes with his life, and is left with a clear mission of vengeance against Cad Bane and the Pykes. Instead, the miracle of plot armor keeps everyone with a human face alive and Boba Fett now rules Tatooine with no direction for his story to go.

What
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Waste


Thought this series was hot garbage at best. There were some good scenes and of course it was refreshing to get some mando episodes but when you take a look step back and look at the season as a whole it's a cluster of wft. The finale was Macgyver action bad and reminded me of the infamous chase scene.
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I liked the finale and the show was fine when Mando and the kid were on screen but other than that I didn't care about any other character in the show. If you take this as The Mandalorian season 2.5 and ignore the first 4 episodes it was fine.
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TCTTS said:

All incredibly well said, and you've convinced me all of it was even intentional. I just wish they would have made each of those instances even a bit more apparent.

Also, the Anakin/Johnny analogy is spot-on. Great call. We definitely needed to SEE Anakin "be Johnny"/special more instead of them just talking about it all the damn time.
Have some compassion. He was in agony the whole time.

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If Anakin was Johnny, then was Jar Jar Manti Teo?
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Biggest missed opportunity imo was not having boba and mando merc'ing fools with their spacecraft. You spent 30 minutes showing them building Mando'a ship this season, and you don't ever see him fight with it?
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Rewatched it with my wife and my super-fan (10 year old) last night. I had to chuckle at all of our *****ing about the Vespa Gang because my target audience kid thought the Joan Jett Mod was the coolest character on the show other than Grogu.

EDIT - Also, no way Cad Bane is dead between the beeping and the long lingering shot. I haven't gone down to the last layer of nerdom that this would require, but I suspect somewhere online there's an article about Duros physiology that will tell us that their hearts and lungs are in different locations or they have more than one of each, which means stabbing him straight in the chest won't kill him, or he's modded up like Fennec and it's all bells and whistles in there.
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He did explicitly mention the mayor having 2 stomachs, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
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He decides to stay because, as Vespa gang tells him, if he runs to fight from a better position, but leaves the city to be raided through again without a fight, he will never earn the respect that he wants.

I agree with most of what you said. I was pretty ready for Boba to die and send him off in epic fashion.

He really said, "We can't let the city be destroyed," and then brought in a Rancor to tear through the streets. Mando's starfighter wouldn't be super effective here, but Boba's *REDACTED* ship would have been way faster and more effective than the rancor.
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Good post overall, but I still can't get with the idea that Luke just loaded him onto his X-Wing and sent him on his way, alone.

He travelled across the galaxy and rescued him from an army of Dark Troopers and from the clutches of Moff Gideon, and yet now he can't be bothered to see him safely delivered back to Mando? Just seemed a little incongruous.

I felt I could see the strings being pulled by the writers there, of what they needed for that particular episode.
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The mayor is an Ithorian and they have two stomachs
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wangus12 said:

The mayor is an Ithorian and they have two stomachs


Two stomachs? Nobody has two stomachs, honey he is pulling your leg.
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That was bad. Choppy flow. Bad acting. Floating vespas somehow doing power slides at 2.5 mph. Anticlimactic baby yoda force. Horrible series with the exception of episode 5 and 6.
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Buddy you need to focus on how the Pyke Syndicate is stealing all your spice.
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wangus12 said:

The mayor is an Ithorian and they have two stomachs
Yes, I know. My point was that bringing it up specifically *might* allow the writers to use some weird anatomy of Bane's species to keep him alive, like hello said.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Good post overall, but I still can't get with the idea that Luke just loaded him onto his X-Wing and sent him on his way, alone.

He travelled across the galaxy and rescued him from an army of Dark Troopers and from the clutches of Moff Gideon, and yet now he can't be bothered to see him safely delivered back to Mando? Just seemed a little incongruous.


But if Luke can use the Force to see the future, as we know he can, perhaps he knows that he has to go full Son of Vader to get Grogu, but giving him back requires a lighter touch; maybe he even knows that having him require extra assistance to get back to Mando is what they both need.

I would have loved to see Luke back on Tatooine, but what was going on was more a less a fight between two rival gangs. Boba Fett might be a better brand of criminal than the Pykes, but he was still taking and giving bribes and taking over a criminal Empire. Luke might have shut down the droids and then arrested basically everyone outside of Grogu, Mando, and the people of Freetown.
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How am I not getting tons of pimp limp memes for Grogu today? I felt like it was much more exaggerated in this finale as he stepped up to use the force.
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I cant fathom how ****ing stupid all the 'tactical' decisions were, the nonsense illogical actions of all the main characters, etc., how can people that untalented be put in charge of a major star wars show? Especially when all star wars is is recasting old good movies into the sw universe. You dont see many idiotic illogical action in good old movies. They suck so bad they cant even copy old movies successfully?
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To be clear, it's not because I wanted to see Luke join the fight. I understand and agree with keeping him out of it.

Honestly I'd have preferred him arriving afterwards and handing him off to Mando.
 
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