double aught said:
That's a good thing, right?
Maybe the best thing the show has going for it so far. The action scenes in TMNT II - Secret of the Ooze were much better. Better cgi with the wolf and turtle, too.
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Maybe the best thing the show has going for it so far. The action scenes in TMNT II - Secret of the Ooze were much better. Better cgi with the wolf and turtle, too.
Dude needs his own series explaining how his ass survived 😂 pic.twitter.com/M0e2SVIPCM
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I might need a new user nametwilly said:Dude needs his own series explaining how his ass survived 😂 pic.twitter.com/M0e2SVIPCM
— Señor Shitposter (@MattSoms17) December 30, 2021
I bet
C@LAg said:
The premiere was a big bag of meh. I even quit midway through to do something else and had to force myself to finish it.
Iffy FX
poor pacing
lame energy
and just ... meh
really expected more given the writer and director for that episode.
they really need to crank things up in episode 2.
They don't "need" to do anything
Seriously, if it's slow in episode 2 are folks just gonna quit watching it? Doubtful.
sburg2007 said:
Seriously, if it's slow in episode 2 are folks just gonna quit watching it? Doubtful.
They obviously don't "need" to do anything. The whole thing already got green lit by Disney and people will watch regardless.
That being said, what's been aired so far was pretty awful. The guy who plays Boba Fett (no clue what his name is) does a decent job. The rest of the acting is piss poor. His chick sidekick is cringeworthy bad. The mayor's representative who came to "pay tribute" was some of the worst overacting I've ever seen. No clue how they let that abomination make it into the final cut. The chick who was hitting on him at whatever establishment they went to check on was also a joke. No depth, no subtlety to anything. The "action" scene with the "assassins" was laughably bad. The ridiculously sluggish choreography of the "fighting" just screamed "this is a TV show where everything is fake, and there are zero stakes." Really weak action scene.
I know it's only one episode, but this is the opposite of the Mandalorian so far in every way. Just really shoddy, shallow writing. It's very clear that the idea was to just try and replicate the Mandalorian, but there is not nearly enough thought or emotion put into the script and the characters. Nothing in this show makes you care. It fell flat for me big time.
Just my opinion. I'm sure a lot of people here will blast me because they were looking forward to it and don't want to admit it's bad (so far).
SquirrellyDan said:
Don't wanna be a downer here…but I thought the first episode was awful. The acting, the costumes, the music, everything seemed off. I remember not liking mando too much in the first few episodes but loved by the end…hope the same happens here
I was into Mandalorian after the first episode. It was so well done.
Totally agree with you on this one. It was awful.
sburg2007 said:
Seriously, if it's slow in episode 2 are folks just gonna quit watching it? Doubtful.
You and I clearly don't know the same people.
Seriously. That was a poorly done episode. Just horrible
It's not that it was slow, it was just now very good.
To me this was exactly the same as mandalorian. Same bad acting, cheesy script, cheap cinematography, all that spaghetti western nostalgia crap you guys apparently love. I enjoy watching with my kids and am thankful it's only 30 minutes. I don't see how this could be hated but mandalorian loved. Oh well…not for me.
Also, why does 10 guys jumping someone need shields?
Yes I know Star Wars protagonists have a very strong invincibility buff, but usually they try to make it somewhat believable
Yes I know Star Wars protagonists have a very strong invincibility buff, but usually they try to make it somewhat believable
Mando had bad acting and some bad episodes too, but I don't think any of them were as goofy as ep 1 of bobf. Also, Mando had a baby yoda an awesome Pedro Pascal voice and performance, which kept average fans like me in it until it picked up a bit as the series went on. Not seeing anything like that with bobf.
CondensedFoggyAggie said:
Also, why does 10 guys jumping someone need shields?
Yes I know Star Wars protagonists have a very strong invincibility buff, but usually they try to make it somewhat believable
Why not surround them with shields and then shoot them in the face.
I liked mandalorian, nothing much good about this so far.
Put me in the camp that thought it was meh.
I agree it just felt off. The ninja fight scene just felt like when parkour became big and every movie producer was like "let's put in that new thing the kids are talking about."
And the monster felt like one of the worst monsters ever in Star Wars.
I'm still holding out hope but the kids and I watched Hawkeye Ep 3 immediately after and all enjoyed that more.
It didn't surprise me when it showed Robert Rodriguez was the director. Reminded me of the shettt visuals, bad acting, and horrible monsters of those Spy Kids
I agree it just felt off. The ninja fight scene just felt like when parkour became big and every movie producer was like "let's put in that new thing the kids are talking about."
And the monster felt like one of the worst monsters ever in Star Wars.
I'm still holding out hope but the kids and I watched Hawkeye Ep 3 immediately after and all enjoyed that more.
It didn't surprise me when it showed Robert Rodriguez was the director. Reminded me of the shettt visuals, bad acting, and horrible monsters of those Spy Kids
This is exactly the same as Mandalorian - same crew, same directors, same technology, same world, etc.
This definitely felt like a slow episode, but it felt exactly like Mando to me.
This definitely felt like a slow episode, but it felt exactly like Mando to me.
It has potential, but the acting was bad. I get the style is different, but it is shocking how bad it was compared to Hawkeye.
Did anyone go into this looking at Boba from Mando expecting decent acting? I suppose my expectations were pretty tempered going in.
Tough crowd.
Who can forget all of those times a Star Wars movie or show has won an Oscar or Emmy for superior acting?
Gina Carrano for best supporting actress?
I enjoyed the first episode. I thought it was a fine start.
The first scene though this was all I could think of:
"Pan down from the twin suns of tattooine. We are now closed over the mouth of the sarlacc pit. After a beat, the gloved Mandalorian armor gauntlet of Boba Fett grabs onto the sand outside of the sarlacc pit and the feared bounty punter pulls himself from the Maw of the sand beast"
The first scene though this was all I could think of:
"Pan down from the twin suns of tattooine. We are now closed over the mouth of the sarlacc pit. After a beat, the gloved Mandalorian armor gauntlet of Boba Fett grabs onto the sand outside of the sarlacc pit and the feared bounty punter pulls himself from the Maw of the sand beast"
I never EVER imagined Boba Fett being a 50+ year old fat boy. (Who can't act)
Madmarttigan said:
Did anyone go into this looking at Boba from Mando expecting decent acting? I suppose my expectations were pretty tempered going in.
It's hard to out-act a guy wearing a helmet and a puppet that doesn't speak English.
Y'all are Debbie downers. Time to take this thread off the watch list.
See y'all next week.
See y'all next week.
Didn't seem like much happened. Episode went by fast. The concept art in the credits seemed cooler than the actual show
I never judge pilots too harshly
Finally watched the pilot, and maybe my expectations were simply too low by this point, but I honestly think the overall look/CGI/acting aren't nearly as bad as people are saying. It looks/feels *exactly* like The Mandalorian to me, for better and for worse. Granted, any sci-fi sand planet and its inhabitants are going to pale in comparison to and likely feel cheesy as hell in the wake of Dune. But in a vacuum, I think all that stuff is fine here and about what I expected from a character/actor as uncharismatic as Boba Fett/Temuera Morrison.
The only issue that really stands out me - and it's a major one - is the structure of the pilot itself, and the story it sets up - or, rather, doesn't - going forward. Because this isn't even a pilot. It's a few character beats that just... end. It sets up hardly any character motivation, hardly any stakes, hardly any story going forward, and basically doesn't hook the audience in any meaningful way. In other words, it doesn't do any of the things even an average pilot is supposed to do.
I thought for sure we'd at least get one last beat where Fennec brings the last surviving ninja to Boba, the ninja delivers some ominous message from some mysterious big bad, we're enticed, and then boom, cut to black. But no, the episodes ends at the conclusion of a flashback instead? Huh? I don't think I've ever seen a show do that, and there's a reason why. It's terrible storytelling.
Seriously, what's the story going forward? What's the structure of the show going to be? Boba Fett taking bacta baths every half hour in the present in order to give us flashbacks/the "book" conceit? Because, otherwise, no actual plot/structure is set up in the pilot.
This is my problem with a lot of (but not all) Disney+ Star Wars/Marvel shows so far. Many of them are just long movies, seemingly arbitrarily sliced into 40ish-minute segments called "episodes," each without beginnings, middles, or ends. For some reason, Disney either gives us lame, video-game-esque "challenges of the week" - or - a six-to-eight part movie, sliced into random, 40-minute increments.
Why can't we have an in-between, where the best of TV resides?
Why is Disney+ so bad at this particular aspect?
Don't get me wrong… they're GREAT at zeitgeisty, pop-culture-defining moments and characters. But the actual storytelling - in terms of complete, compelling, episodic television - has left so much to be desired.
I'm sure episode two will address some of this, but the point is it shouldn't have to. I should have a WAY better idea of what this show/story is going to be, heading *into* episode two.
The only issue that really stands out me - and it's a major one - is the structure of the pilot itself, and the story it sets up - or, rather, doesn't - going forward. Because this isn't even a pilot. It's a few character beats that just... end. It sets up hardly any character motivation, hardly any stakes, hardly any story going forward, and basically doesn't hook the audience in any meaningful way. In other words, it doesn't do any of the things even an average pilot is supposed to do.
I thought for sure we'd at least get one last beat where Fennec brings the last surviving ninja to Boba, the ninja delivers some ominous message from some mysterious big bad, we're enticed, and then boom, cut to black. But no, the episodes ends at the conclusion of a flashback instead? Huh? I don't think I've ever seen a show do that, and there's a reason why. It's terrible storytelling.
Seriously, what's the story going forward? What's the structure of the show going to be? Boba Fett taking bacta baths every half hour in the present in order to give us flashbacks/the "book" conceit? Because, otherwise, no actual plot/structure is set up in the pilot.
This is my problem with a lot of (but not all) Disney+ Star Wars/Marvel shows so far. Many of them are just long movies, seemingly arbitrarily sliced into 40ish-minute segments called "episodes," each without beginnings, middles, or ends. For some reason, Disney either gives us lame, video-game-esque "challenges of the week" - or - a six-to-eight part movie, sliced into random, 40-minute increments.
Why can't we have an in-between, where the best of TV resides?
Why is Disney+ so bad at this particular aspect?
Don't get me wrong… they're GREAT at zeitgeisty, pop-culture-defining moments and characters. But the actual storytelling - in terms of complete, compelling, episodic television - has left so much to be desired.
I'm sure episode two will address some of this, but the point is it shouldn't have to. I should have a WAY better idea of what this show/story is going to be, heading *into* episode two.
So far the general goal seems to be "take over the Hutt empire, but make people respect me instead of fear me"TCTTS said:
Finally watched the pilot, and maybe my expectations were simply too low by this point, but I honestly think the overall look/CGI/acting aren't nearly as bad as people are saying. It looks/feels *exactly* like The Mandalorian to me, for better and for worse. Granted, any sci-fi sand planet and its inhabitants is going to pale in comparison to and likely feel cheesy as hell in the wake of Dune. But in a vacuum, I think all that stuff is fine here and about what I expected from a character/actor as uncharismatic as Boba Fett/Temuera Morrison.
The only issue that really stands out me - and it's a major one - is the structure of the pilot itself, and the story it sets up - or, rather, doesn't - going forward. Because this isn't even a pilot. It's a few character beats that just... end. It sets up hardly any character motivation, hardly any stakes, hardly any story going forward, and basically doesn't hook the audience in any meaningful way. In other words, it doesn't do any of the things even an average pilot is supposed to do.
I thought for sure we'd at least get one last beat where Fennec brings the last surviving ninja to Boba, the ninja delivers some ominous message from some mysterious big bad, we're enticed, and then boom, cut to black. But no, the episodes ends at the conclusion of a flashback instead? Huh? I don't think I've ever seen a show do that, and there's a reason why. It's terrible storytelling.
Seriously, what's the story going forward? What's the structure of the show going to be? Boba Fett taking bacta baths every half hour in the present in order to give us flashbacks/the "book" conceit? Because, otherwise, no actual plot/structure is set up in the pilot.
This is my problem with a lot of (but not all) Disney+ Star Wars/Marvel shows so far. Many of them are just long movies, seemingly arbitrarily sliced into 40ish-minute segments called "episodes," each without beginnings, middles, or ends. For some reason, Disney either gives us lame, video-game-esque "challenges of the week" - or - a six-to-eight part movie, sliced into random, 40-minute increments.
Why can't we have an in-between, where the best of TV resides?
Why is Disney+ so bad at this particular aspect?
Don't get me wrong… they're GREAT at zeitgeisty, pop-culture-defining moments and characters. But the actual storytelling - in terms of complete, compelling, episodic television - has left so much to be desired.
I'm sure episode two will address some of this, but the point is it shouldn't have to. I should have a WAY better idea of what this show/story is going to be, heading *into* episode two.
I expect multiple betrayals and backstabs, but I just don't see how that could really have any other real connection to the overall universe. Maybe there were preexisting business connections with the Empire and the remnants of it?
I also think that he is just not a very good actor, which was fine for someone playing a bit character..not great if you are supposed to carry the show.
PatAg said:So far the general goal seems to be "take over the Hutt empire, but make people respect me instead of fear me"TCTTS said:
Finally watched the pilot, and maybe my expectations were simply too low by this point, but I honestly think the overall look/CGI/acting aren't nearly as bad as people are saying. It looks/feels *exactly* like The Mandalorian to me, for better and for worse. Granted, any sci-fi sand planet and its inhabitants is going to pale in comparison to and likely feel cheesy as hell in the wake of Dune. But in a vacuum, I think all that stuff is fine here and about what I expected from a character/actor as uncharismatic as Boba Fett/Temuera Morrison.
The only issue that really stands out me - and it's a major one - is the structure of the pilot itself, and the story it sets up - or, rather, doesn't - going forward. Because this isn't even a pilot. It's a few character beats that just... end. It sets up hardly any character motivation, hardly any stakes, hardly any story going forward, and basically doesn't hook the audience in any meaningful way. In other words, it doesn't do any of the things even an average pilot is supposed to do.
I thought for sure we'd at least get one last beat where Fennec brings the last surviving ninja to Boba, the ninja delivers some ominous message from some mysterious big bad, we're enticed, and then boom, cut to black. But no, the episodes ends at the conclusion of a flashback instead? Huh? I don't think I've ever seen a show do that, and there's a reason why. It's terrible storytelling.
Seriously, what's the story going forward? What's the structure of the show going to be? Boba Fett taking bacta baths every half hour in the present in order to give us flashbacks/the "book" conceit? Because, otherwise, no actual plot/structure is set up in the pilot.
This is my problem with a lot of (but not all) Disney+ Star Wars/Marvel shows so far. Many of them are just long movies, seemingly arbitrarily sliced into 40ish-minute segments called "episodes," each without beginnings, middles, or ends. For some reason, Disney either gives us lame, video-game-esque "challenges of the week" - or - a six-to-eight part movie, sliced into random, 40-minute increments.
Why can't we have an in-between, where the best of TV resides?
Why is Disney+ so bad at this particular aspect?
Don't get me wrong… they're GREAT at zeitgeisty, pop-culture-defining moments and characters. But the actual storytelling - in terms of complete, compelling, episodic television - has left so much to be desired.
I'm sure episode two will address some of this, but the point is it shouldn't have to. I should have a WAY better idea of what this show/story is going to be, heading *into* episode two.
I expect multiple betrayals and backstabs, but I just don't see how that could really have any other real connection to the overall universe. Maybe there were preexisting business connections with the Empire and the remnants of it?
I also think that he is just not a very good actor, which was fine for someone playing a bit character..not great if you are supposed to carry the show.
I hear you, but the problem is, they don't SHOW how that's going to be an issue going forward. I mean, obviously it'll be an issue, and we all know it will. But Boba essentially saying, "I want to rule with respect" and Fennec retorting, "You have to rule with fear" isn't a pilot. It's one exchange in one scene, but the filmmakers seem to think it suffices as "story"/set-up for the rest of the series. Otherwise, Boba literally just visits a club, the head of the club is super respectful/gives him his cut without issue... and then some random ninjas attack. That's it. That's the plot/drama. Now, maybe the club owner feigned respect, and *she* sent the ninjas after Boba, but if so, let's learn that IN THE PILOT. So we actually SEE people disrespect Boba, and SEE him realize this is going to be harder than he thinks. And THEN you'll start to have the makings of a pilot.
When they release 1 episode a week, yes. If they released all episodes at once more people would watch it all the way through even if it wasn't great. People tend to "forget" stuff they don't like...it takes a better show to get people to watch something week after week.sburg2007 said:
Seriously, if it's slow in episode 2 are folks just gonna quit watching it? Doubtful.
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Oh I completely agree with all of that. Wasn't disagreeing.TCTTS said:PatAg said:So far the general goal seems to be "take over the Hutt empire, but make people respect me instead of fear me"TCTTS said:
Finally watched the pilot, and maybe my expectations were simply too low by this point, but I honestly think the overall look/CGI/acting aren't nearly as bad as people are saying. It looks/feels *exactly* like The Mandalorian to me, for better and for worse. Granted, any sci-fi sand planet and its inhabitants is going to pale in comparison to and likely feel cheesy as hell in the wake of Dune. But in a vacuum, I think all that stuff is fine here and about what I expected from a character/actor as uncharismatic as Boba Fett/Temuera Morrison.
The only issue that really stands out me - and it's a major one - is the structure of the pilot itself, and the story it sets up - or, rather, doesn't - going forward. Because this isn't even a pilot. It's a few character beats that just... end. It sets up hardly any character motivation, hardly any stakes, hardly any story going forward, and basically doesn't hook the audience in any meaningful way. In other words, it doesn't do any of the things even an average pilot is supposed to do.
I thought for sure we'd at least get one last beat where Fennec brings the last surviving ninja to Boba, the ninja delivers some ominous message from some mysterious big bad, we're enticed, and then boom, cut to black. But no, the episodes ends at the conclusion of a flashback instead? Huh? I don't think I've ever seen a show do that, and there's a reason why. It's terrible storytelling.
Seriously, what's the story going forward? What's the structure of the show going to be? Boba Fett taking bacta baths every half hour in the present in order to give us flashbacks/the "book" conceit? Because, otherwise, no actual plot/structure is set up in the pilot.
This is my problem with a lot of (but not all) Disney+ Star Wars/Marvel shows so far. Many of them are just long movies, seemingly arbitrarily sliced into 40ish-minute segments called "episodes," each without beginnings, middles, or ends. For some reason, Disney either gives us lame, video-game-esque "challenges of the week" - or - a six-to-eight part movie, sliced into random, 40-minute increments.
Why can't we have an in-between, where the best of TV resides?
Why is Disney+ so bad at this particular aspect?
Don't get me wrong… they're GREAT at zeitgeisty, pop-culture-defining moments and characters. But the actual storytelling - in terms of complete, compelling, episodic television - has left so much to be desired.
I'm sure episode two will address some of this, but the point is it shouldn't have to. I should have a WAY better idea of what this show/story is going to be, heading *into* episode two.
I expect multiple betrayals and backstabs, but I just don't see how that could really have any other real connection to the overall universe. Maybe there were preexisting business connections with the Empire and the remnants of it?
I also think that he is just not a very good actor, which was fine for someone playing a bit character..not great if you are supposed to carry the show.
I hear you, but the problem is, they don't SHOW how that's going to be an issue going forward. I mean, obviously it'll be an issue, and we all know it will. But Boba essentially saying, "I want to rule with respect" and Fennec retorting, "You have to rule with fear" isn't a pilot. It's one exchange in one scene, but the filmmakers seem to think it suffices as "story"/set-up for the rest of the series. Otherwise, Boba literally just visits a club, the head of the club is super respectful/gives him his cut without issue... and then some random ninjas attack. That's it. That's the plot/drama. Now, maybe the club owner feigned respect, and *she* sent the ninjas after Boba, but if so, let's learn that IN THE PILOT. So we actually SEE people disrespect Boba, and SEE him realize this is going to be harder than he thinks. And THEN you'll start to have the makings of a pilot.
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