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Old Jock 1997 said:

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TCTTS you are probably the best to address this.

Do you think Chris Evans is truly done? He just seems typecast to me now. Captain America made him; can he ever be anything else on screen, at least in the near term?

If he went back to an alternate reality, did he live as a more muscular but regular guy as Peggy Carter's husband or as Cpt America? Do they explore that timeline more at some point?

I probably liked Star Wars Episodes 7 & 8 more than most, but I agree with many folks that they could've given a stronger nod to fans in episode 8 with the re-introduction of Luke than they did and making him more heroic.

So did they learn from that in crafting Endgame? Was there enough time? Or will 9 somehow deliver those send-offs SW fans so desperately wanted but felt they didn't get?

I know it's different directors and producers, but it's all now Disney.

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Evans is done. Based on his interviews alone, I don't see him ever coming back, and I don't want him back, either. Cap's story was PERFECT. So much better than I ever could have imagined, and there's no need to show him fighting crime and saving a different reality all over again. As for the whole alternate reality thing, I think people are making it way more complicated than it needs to be. I think he returned all the stones, then went back to the 40s and lived out his life with Peggy. Maybe he did a few, minor heroic things here and there, but the important thing was that he learned to enjoy life. He no longer has the NEED to save EVERYONE. He's already saved our world multiple times, why does he have to keep doing it in an alternate reality? Regardless, once he lived out his life in the alternate reality (and Peggy died, I'm assuming), he then returned to his timeline, maybe a day or so before we saw him, knew exactly where the guys would be, and went and sat on that bench.

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The real question is did Rogers tell Peggy about everything that he'd been through. I also bet family reunions were interesting with Sharon Carter as a kid

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Truvada_for_prep said:

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does the next capt america follow the comics or is it sjw bs?

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Was waiting for this post. Was starting to think I might have been a bit wrong about Texags.

Nope.

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Lol yet here you are sorry the truth hurts

Re: Peter and Ned and Far From Home's timeline:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/04/27/what-year-mcu-endgame-peter-parker-school-age-ned

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That means when a newly resurrected Peter Parker (Tom Holland) goes back to high school in Endgame's coda many of his classmates will have already graduated from college while he's still in high school. Peter obviously won't be the only kid in the MCU in that situation.

As a highly placed Marvel Studios source informed IGN: "Thanos' snap wiped out 50% of all life -- and 100% of Peter's friends." That means both Ned (Jacob Batalon) and MJ (Zendaya) died in Infinity War, too, and that's why Ned's still in high school when Peter returns (and why all three of them are still in high school in the upcoming Spider-Man: Far From Home).

Marvel Studios president Kevin Fege told IGN shortly before Infinity War came out last year that Spider-Man: Far From Home takes place after Avengers: Endgame. Feige said at the time that Far From Home will see Peter contending with the aftermath of the events of the third and fourth Avengers movies: "What is it like to try to go back to a normal life after what happens in this movie [Infinity War]? Not to mention what happens in the next [Avengers] movie."

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So... how do we think Vision comes back for the WandaVision series? Loki, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and Hawkeye's series were set up really well, but I have no idea how Vision comes back, unless it involves time travel somehow.

That's interesting, and good to know. Also makes sense now as to why it's the final Phase 3 movie, as it's dealing with the immediate aftermath of Endgame (psychologically speaking).

So I'm guessing that The Eternals will now be the first true forward-momentum story in Phase 4; the movie that truly feels like we're starting anew again in a post-snap world.

Another random question...

Now that Black Widow (rumored for the May 2020 slot and about to start filming) is all but confirmed to take place in the past (again, maybe even leading up to the events of Iron Man 2), should Marvel wait to include it in the hypothetical box set of all 24 films? Won't it feel like a weird outlier if officially part of Phase 4? Seems to me it's going to fit nicely in the canon between Captain Marvel and Iron Man/Iron Man 2, while almost everything else will be carrying the story forward in a post-snap world.

Then again, box sets are a dying breed and I'm sure most of the focus is going into Disney+. In that sense, it would be really cool if there was a way on Disney+ for the app to display the movies in chronological order instead of by release year. Start with Captain America: The First Avenger, and go from there...

Sine poena nulla lex.

Sine poena nulla lex.

How was Cap able to wield Thor's hammer?

What If? has such great potential. I'm a little giddy.

Tales from a Mostly Eisley Cantina set in the Marvelverse

Sine poena nulla lex.

Fair enough.

It's a masterpiece. Pure and simple. I could write a novel on how well they stick the landing, but no one would want to read it and all of you have already done that for me basically anyway. Fat Thor? Hilarious, awesome, and kind of sad. Tony's death-affecting and perfect for his character. Caps journey home? Perfect. The final battle? Everything you'd ever want in a blockbuster.

This is so good in fact that I legitimately don't think Marvel or anyone else could possibly pass it. Which brings me to a legitimate question that I've been pondering ever since even Infinity War: how does this whole thing continue?

Thor joining the guardians seems awesome and totally fits.

Captain Falcon and bUcky could be fun

Captain Marvel is alright

Black Panther is good

.... but I just don't see how the next phase possibly lives up to what came before. As fun, perfect, and satisfying as Endgame is, its almost is so good that anything like it in comparison is going to look trivial and minor. Maybe I've just spent a decade going to these films and it's finally reached s good place to get off the ride. Who am I kidding, I'll be there first in line for Spiderman in July.

TCTTS said:

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Old Jock 1997 said:

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TCTTS you are probably the best to address this.

Do you think Chris Evans is truly done? He just seems typecast to me now. Captain America made him; can he ever be anything else on screen, at least in the near term?

If he went back to an alternate reality, did he live as a more muscular but regular guy as Peggy Carter's husband or as Cpt America? Do they explore that timeline more at some point?

I probably liked Star Wars Episodes 7 & 8 more than most, but I agree with many folks that they could've given a stronger nod to fans in episode 8 with the re-introduction of Luke than they did and making him more heroic.

So did they learn from that in crafting Endgame? Was there enough time? Or will 9 somehow deliver those send-offs SW fans so desperately wanted but felt they didn't get?

I know it's different directors and producers, but it's all now Disney.

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Evans is done. Based on his interviews alone, I don't see him ever coming back, and I don't want him back, either. Cap's story was PERFECT. So much better than I ever could have imagined, and there's no need to show him fighting crime and saving a different reality all over again.

As for the whole alternate reality thing, I think people are making it way more complicated than it needs to be. I think he returned all the stones, then went back to the '40s and lived out his life with Peggy. Maybe he did a few, minor heroic things here and there, but the important thing was that he learned to enjoy life. He no longer has the NEED to save EVERYONE. He's already saved our world multiple times, why does he have to keep doing so in an alternate reality? Regardless, once he lived out his life in the alternate reality (and Peggy died, I'm assuming), he then returned to his/the main timeline, maybe a day or so before we saw him, knew exactly where the guys would be, and went and sat on that bench.

As for being typecast, I don't get that impression at all. You realize he's been in quite a few other movies while starring in the MCU, right? Honestly, I think his career is just beginning. Now that he's free from the MCU, with the clout he has now, I think he's going to start landing some great roles.

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Re: Cap and what he did since going back.

I think people are overlooking the fact that
a. he knows what happens and basically knows things turn out ok
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b. anything he might do potentially messes it up bigtime (butterfly effect but magnified)

So I think he is motivated to make sure not to mess things up, he doesn't want to change what did happen or they just wasted a lot of time.

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So one thing that I didn't like is it felt like they were afraid to let the audience feel too sad for too long. Any time they would have something truly emotional come along, I feel like it would ultimately end with some sort of joke.

I think watching this makes me realize that I like superhero movies that have smaller stakes, to the point of at least the hero losing seems believable. We knew they weren't gonna lose to Thanos and that took me out of it just a little bit.

That being said, I don't know how you do THAT movie any better than how they did it. Yeah, maybe there are some plot holes with the time travel. But It's a family movie. If you want actual danger, go watch game of thrones. We knew they were going to win. I highly enjoyed it, and dear god that shot at the final battle was as epic as anything I've ever seen in a super hero movie.

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Ever been to a funeral, or experienced a truly sad moment in your life? That's how it generally tends to go. Someone will try to break the mood with a joke.

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TCTTS said:

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To be completely honest, I don't see how this is ever replicated again; decades of stories/comics culminating in 11 years of movies culminating in literally the best possible finale imaginable.

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Just think, Star Wars should be having that moment in December (but won't now after the fan reception of the last movie), which would have given Disney two huge cinematic endings for the two most passionate and loyal fanbases in the franchise movie industry.

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They could have if they had a Kevin Feige in charge of their movies.

So am I getting this right that any changes they create when they're back in time, just create an alternate universe ? So what's the point of returning the stones ? I get that the ancient one says it would F up their respective alternate universes but at that point there's so much going on is that really something they're worried about ?

Does cap just walk back to where he took the scepter from his own self and drop the stone back to himself? That's gotta he kind of weird.

Also when Thor takes his hammer back to the future with him ... in that alternate reality that Thor no longer has a hammer ?

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So am I getting this right that any changes they create when they're back in time, just create an alternate universe ? So what's the point of returning the stones ? I get that the ancient one says it would F up their respective alternate universes but at that point there's so much going on is that really something they're worried about ?

Does cap just walk back to where he took the scepter from his own self and drop the stone back to himself? That's gotta he kind of weird.

Also when Thor takes his hammer back to the future with him ... in that alternate reality that Thor no longer has a hammer ?

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I'm trying to think less about the time travel stuff since I was getting hung up on it for awhile, but....

Was the Ancient One implying that messing with the infinity stones is the primary way to create an alternate timeline? She didn't seem too concerned (and neither did the others) about interfering with minor events of the past resulting in a butterfly effect.

I don't see how it wouldn't create a butterfly effect, so was she just saying that messing with the infinity stones essentially guarantees a catastrophic impact on that reality, whereas something like Cap living a quiet life might only have minor ripples in time (for that reality/universe/dimension)?

Also, is the consensus that Cap lived in an alternate reality before returning to this story's universe? If so, wouldn't he have needed to return to the same spot (because of the tech they used) even if he lived for decades in another reality before returning?

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No because cap takes the hammer back the exact moment it disappeared

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Duh. Makes sense. I knew he grabbed it but thought it was more for protection rather than to return it lol.

That actually brings up another question I had. After BruceHulk tells the Ancient One that Strange gave Thanos the Time Stone, she says that she's made a mistake.

Was she talking about her mistake in that moment, or something bigger picture?

fig96 said:

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That actually brings up another question I had. After BruceHulk tells the Ancient One that Strange gave Thanos the Time Stone, she says that she's made a mistake.

Was she talking about her mistake in that moment, or something bigger picture?

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I took it as she made the mistake in giving Strange the stone.