Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Well, they also say you can't change the past. Does that mean Peggy never married someone else?

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That bald lady said otherwise.

She said that when you take away an infinity stone, a new branch is created.

Not exactly the same. Cap returned them all, implying he stays in the "original" timeline.

I was having some fun reading through the negative reviews on RT while thinking to myself, "what movie did these people watch?"

Hmm. I wonder if Hulk's snap brought back all the dusted in the universe?

I really liked the movie a lot. I watched IW the night before, which was good, but also messed with my expectations some. Endgame is a completely different movie. It's basically a different genre, so comparing them is hard. What is true of IW is that it is very re-watchable and fun and I think the same will be true of Engame. I'll definitely check it out at least 1 more time in theaters.

So, doing some math here, and what I understand is there is 3 timelines created from this movie (possibly 4).

1) The original -- snap happens, they go back and get the stones and use them, but Cap returns them, closing off those timelines. Him staying may make another timeline or it could have been a part of it the whole time. He could have stayed out of the way, because what Strange said: "Knowing what is going to happen will make it not happen." Also, it would then make sense that Cap shows up at the end without having had to jump back through the machine.

2) Loki timeline -- him jumping away with the Tesseract completely changes that timeline making it a new branch...which I am assuming will be addressed in the Loki TV show on Disney+. Maybe that show ends with him returning to that moment and re-connecting that timeline to the original

3) 2014 Thanos -- This is where I am most confused. Did Tony's snap kill everyone in the present? Or send them back to the past with the memories of that present? Or, as Thanos suggested could be done, did he send them back to the past with no memories, in effect closing that loop as well? Also, I was under the assumption that 2014 Gamora was dusted also, since she was from the past and wasn't seen again after that (at the funeral or on the GOTG ship). I am wondering if the 3rd GOTG isn't going to be a search for Gamora, but a quest for the soul stone, to bring her back out of it (and possible Nat....or at least leaving that possibility open). I am fine with them not doing that, but it sure seems like Gamora was supposed to be in GOTG 3. If 2014 Gamora is wondering around, then they definitely have another timeline created because Thanos, Gamora, and Nebula all died then before the 1st GOTG.


Did I miss something or does this sound right?

I hadn't thought of that, but the Thanos dusting definitely created a new timeline in 2014. But I wonder if we'll ever see it, since all our characters are in the current timeline.

Ooh, I wonder if Far From Home couldn't happen in this new timeline?

Trying to think. Would Thanos being dead mean Civil War and Homecoming can't happen?

(Though I hope this isn't the case, cause we lose Peter being an official Avenger.)

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Ooh, I wonder if Far From Home couldn't happen in this new timeline?

Trying to think. Would Thanos being dead mean Civil War and Homecoming can't happen?

(Though I hope this isn't the case, cause we lose Peter being an official Avenger.)

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Why couldn't it. Its still 2023 and everything that has happened up to that point has happened. When 2014 Thanos came to the main timeline it causes his timeline to branch, creating a separate course, but all the mainstream stuff stays the same for the main timeline

Someone made this on reddit.

I meant in the new timeline (IF Far From Home happens in it. Let's call it timeline B.)

Thanos dies in 2014, Civil War happens in 2016. (Which, far as I can tell, still happens even if Thanos dies.)

I'm just trying to figure out if Peter-B still joins the Avengers.

Though from the trailers, it looks like it's Fury that recruits him and not Tony.

My understanding is that you can't change the past in the timeline. If you go back and change something in the past, then you have a new branch.

For cap to.habe shown up in the future without traveling with the band Stark made, him ending up as Carter's husband must have always been what happened.

So when he shows up on the bench, did he travel there with the device or did he just show up there when he finally caught up to them in time?

It was very good. There were a couple of definite superhero chills moments, and the sendoff for Cap and Tony was great. Cap being worthy, "Avengers assemble", and "I am Iron Man" we're all great.

The girl power scene was a little overdone; the analogue scene from IW with Okoye, Scarlet Witch, and Black Widow was more organic and better done. That being said, the woman sitting next to me (who I did not know) seemed to get a big kick out of it, so there's an audience. I still don't like Captain Marvel and I doubt I ever will, but she was used reasonably well here.

Agree, but the book didn't have that awesome music.

I took the ending as their reality had everyone come back, while the other realities might have unforetold consequences. Infinity War and the snap still happened for their reality, but it was prevented in the other reality that the Thanos they defeated came from. That's why they said just bring everyone back to today's time (also partly because Tony didn't want to lose Morgan).

Loki getting the space stone could just be explained as fixed because of Cap and Tony going back to the 1970's, or just as an alternate reality.

The movie really seemed like the Russo brothers sat down at a table with Kevin Feige and said, "How can we make this movie completely bonkers? No bad ideas.", and then put it all on screen. This movie was total fan service and was a completely satisfying end to this saga. The final battle was pure spectacle in a great way. I lost my **** when Cap said "Avengers Assemble!"

I didn't think it was as good as Infinity War, but this was a great way of ending the Infinity Saga. Looking forward to Sam as Captain America, Thor with the Guardians, and maybe seeing more characters like Ironheart (who is inspired by Tony's sacrifice) or Nova. With the intro of Captain Marvel and Thor going to space, I'm hoping for more cosmic exploration with Black Panther, Spider-Man, and Doctor Strange holding down the fort on Earth.

Loki 100% created a new timeline

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Umm yeah, I don't see Cap not helping people being within his character...especially armed with the hammer...

Good catch.

So will pepper Potts take over an Iron Man-like role? Will we see her again? I don't know the comics well at all.

Early on there was something with Stark's daughter and the Iron Man helmet that made me wonder about Junior Avengers. I don't know the story line there though from the comics or cartoons. Any thoughts?

That just made me think... in the trailer fury says, nice to finally meet you spider man..... both fury and peter were at starks funeral....

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