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And I know everything in this universe is technically based on science, but man, the finger snap effectively ruined this franchise for me going forward. And trust me, I get it. This is what it's always been building to and where it always had to go. We all knew that moment was coming. Still, never mind the myriad characters who bit the dust (or became it, rather), the death of *stakes* is what got me most.
I honestly don't understand all the "shocked," "I need some time to compose myself," "That was so emotional" sentiments I've seen in this thread and on Twitter. Nothing at the end of this movie meant a thing to me because every last bit of it is so clearly going be undone in the next movie.
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TCTTS, I am your biggest fan. But this statement is ridiculous. Ruined the franchise going forward? For real?
Yes, these things will be reversed somehow. But what makes you think THAT won't have stakes? It's not going to be "free." Give the masters at work some credit.
Gotta be a candidate for one TCTTS's Top 5 Bad Takes.
We have now seen Peter Parker given yet
another suit (one that's his worst look, IMO), this one so advanced that he basically seems invincible at this point. And as I mentioned earlier, he has now been to SPACE and has DIED. Again, I'm sure his next solo movie will be fun/good, but after everything he just went through, I simply don't think I'm going to care as much anymore. No adventure from here on out - to us or to him - can top what he just went through. No matter what it is, it will feel like a step down. And again,
he will have died and been brought back to life in the meantime, which will no doubt change his perspective and has already changed mine.
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I honestly don't understand all the "shocked," "I need some time to compose myself," "That was so emotional" sentiments I've seen in this thread and on Twitter. Nothing at the end of this movie meant a thing to me because every last bit of it is so clearly going be undone in the next movie.
I figured it wouldn't be long until someone made this comment. You're not wrong, and for the record, it's the exact issue I had with Civil War. (Lack of stakes.)
The difference here, at least for me, is that the stakes were real within the context of this movie.
Regardless of what happens in the next one, in this movie, Spider-Man DID die in Tony's arms.
To me, it's not so much about them coming back, it's how.
I simply don't have the ability to ignore all the context
beyond this movie. Literally all I could think in that moment is "
Untitled Spider-man: Homecoming Sequel, July 2019." Knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that the death we're watching will be undone in the very next movie rendered any emotional impact null for me. I'm sorry, but that's exactly how I felt in that moment. And again, as I said earlier, I agree that the
how of them coming back will be interesting, and I'm genuinely curious as to the mechanics and execution of it all. All I'm saying is that, going forward, I care a little less now that all of these characters will have already experienced death. Because the next time any of them bite it for real, it's just going to this have this "Welp, here we go again" feeling.
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Oh, but the complaint about "magic" is 100% ridiculous. They have been building towards the snap since the end of Avengers 1. We had Doctor Strange about a wizard who can control time.
This should've been an issue since at least Phase 2.
For me, it has been. It's one of the reasons I've never been able to fully connect with this franchise (which, for the record, I still love). With movies, I simply prefer more grounded stakes based on the current reality we live in. It's that simple. That doesn't make me right or wrong, and that of course doesn't mean I don't like "magic"/sci-fi when done/integrated well. Sci-fi might in fact be my favorite genre. I just prefer it when the rules of the tech/world are clearly stated. In the MCU, however, we've been steadily moving toward a world where tech is becoming indistinguishable from magic - and that's fine - but for me, it takes away some of the stakes. Because we're moving at breakneck speed so far past the rules of our world as we know it without sometimes taking a beat to explore the limitations. Tony will now always the perfect tech for some dire situation, and if not, Strange will have some spell that otherwise saves them. Same with Wakanda, which has and continues to be a little
too advanced for my taste.
That said, something like Thor creating that axe? I LOVED that. Sure, it was a "magical" fix for the exact dire situation they were in, but they made a big deal of not only showing the rules as to how something like that is forged, they made an entire sequence out of Thor truly
earning it as well. Rules and execution. And I'm not saying the rules of nanobots haven't been touched upon or that we haven't seen Strange earn his powers. It's just that, collectively, the tech and magic and fantasy of this franchise have finally crossed a threshold for me with a glove that can control it all. And again, I realized this is what we've been building toward this entire time. It's exactly what we signed up for. But that doesn't mean I can't have a negative reaction when it is finally realized.
All that said, as I made abundantly clear earlier... I still really liked this movie. It's a fun, remarkable achievement. I just didn't like the ending.
