MSFC Aggie said:
Just don't see how TLJ can be worse than Clones or Menace......those were truly awful.
timc08 said:MSFC Aggie said:
Just don't see how TLJ can be worse than Clones or Menace......those were truly awful.
Would rather listen to Jar Jar for two hours than watch a bunch of women drive around searching for the nearest gas station.
Since everyone else but TCTTS seemed to ignore this. I really liked this video and echoed many of the things my wife and I discussed after she saw it for the first time Saturday.CJS4715 said:
Thoughts?
To me, the reason is pretty simple, really.cbr said:
btw, rotten tomatoes is down to 50% liked it, and still trending down. I mean, ****, that is 9 points lower than phantom menace or clones! for crying out loud....
how can you make a star wars movie so bad only 50% like it? that is nearly impossible.
timc08 said:MSFC Aggie said:
Just don't see how TLJ can be worse than Clones or Menace......those were truly awful.
Would rather listen to Jar Jar for two hours than watch a bunch of women drive around searching for the nearest gas station.
timc08 said:
Would rather listen to Jar Jar for two hours than watch a bunch of women drive around searching for the nearest gas station.
Disagree with the premise. TFA was good-very good, and audiences rate it as such (8/10 on IMDB, 88% RT), and Rogue One was good as well (7.8/10 IMDB, 87% RT). The Last Jedi just wasn't on the level of those movies.Quote:
Most Star Wars fans are their own worst enemy. TFA, TLJ, and any subsequent Star Wars movie will never be allowed to be a good movie. Too many people live in the world of the OT and will always stay there.
TFA was initial fan reaction after not having a Star Wars film for nearly two decades. I challenge you to go back and review the spoiler thread. It started out with many positive reviews. After the movie had been out one, two weeks, the reviews trended more negatively.redline248 said:Disagree with the premise. TFA was good-very good, and audiences rate it as such (8/10 on IMDB, 88% RT), and Rogue One was good as well (7.8/10 IMDB, 87% RT). The Last Jedi just wasn't on the level of those movies.Quote:
Most Star Wars fans are their own worst enemy. TFA, TLJ, and any subsequent Star Wars movie will never be allowed to be a good movie. Too many people live in the world of the OT and will always stay there.
Jmo, of course, but I thought Rogue One came pretty close to being a quality stand alone movie.Quote:
Disagree with the premise. TFA was good-very good, and audiences rate it as such (8/10 on IMDB, 88% RT), and Rogue One was good as well (7.8/10 IMDB, 87% RT). The Last Jedi just wasn't on the level of those movies.
timc08 said:MSFC Aggie said:
Just don't see how TLJ can be worse than Clones or Menace......those were truly awful.
Would rather listen to Jar Jar for two hours than watch a bunch of women drive around searching for the nearest gas station.
I had to stop watching and I'll finish it later, but my initial thought is that this is the take of those who are going to retrofit the movie to whatever they need it to be. In other words, I disagree with the video, at least the first minutes. This tossing of the old is garbage, as practically every character and situation in The Last Jedi is analogous to one in either the original Star Wars or Empire Strikes Back, right down the the At ATs attacking the rebel base.FTACO97 said:Since everyone else but TCTTS seemed to ignore this. I really liked this video and echoed many of the things my wife and I discussed after she saw it for the first time Saturday.CJS4715 said:
Thoughts?
02skiag said:
You can read about the problems throughout this thread, no need to guess why reactions are poor. The only expectation I wanted from TLJ was to be a good fun movie. It failed at that. I loved TFA and have seen it several times.
The question wasnt for me, but I had intended to go full stormtrooper armor to the movie and bought tickets for about 12 people at IMAX. I was fully pumped and had read the initial reviews, so I was going in full bore. In fact, I couldn't believe how the initial reaction, at least from one of the reviews was that it was as good as or better than ESB.Beat40 said:02skiag said:
You can read about the problems throughout this thread, no need to guess why reactions are poor. The only expectation I wanted from TLJ was to be a good fun movie. It failed at that. I loved TFA and have seen it several times.
I don't remember your criticisms, but which part of TLJ were not fun for you?
Luke is bitter and in hiding like Obi Wan. There's a start.Beat40 said:
I feel like you are one of the few who have the opinion that TLJ rehashes an OT film.
VanZandt92 said:Luke is bitter and in hiding like Obi Wan. There's a start.Beat40 said:
I feel like you are one of the few who have the opinion that TLJ rehashes an OT film.
02skiag said:
There were several individual fun parts, but the movie dragged throughout and felt disjointed. The reasons it felt that way are listed throughout this thread. As a whole it was not good to me.
As we discussed earlier in this ridiculously long thread, I thought they tried to make Luke a grumpy recluse like Yoda in ESB. Then they brought Ghost Yoda back to visit w/ him like Ghost Ben in ESB. Not exactly rehashing, but trying to mirror? Possibly.Beat40 said:VanZandt92 said:Luke is bitter and in hiding like Obi Wan. There's a start.Beat40 said:
I feel like you are one of the few who have the opinion that TLJ rehashes an OT film.
Motivations are complete different though.
FTACO97 said:Since everyone else but TCTTS seemed to ignore this. I really liked this video and echoed many of the things my wife and I discussed after she saw it for the first time Saturday.CJS4715 said:
Thoughts?
That's what I mean by motivation. Yes, Yoda is a grumpy old recluse and so it Luke. But I doubt Yoda's motivation for being a grumpy old recluse is because the think the Jedi Order should die.ChiliBeans said:As we discussed earlier in this ridiculously long thread, I thought they tried to make Luke a grumpy recluse like Yoda in ESB. Then they brought Ghost Yoda back to visit w/ him like Ghost Ben in ESB. Not exactly rehashing, but trying to mirror? Possibly.Beat40 said:VanZandt92 said:Luke is bitter and in hiding like Obi Wan. There's a start.Beat40 said:
I feel like you are one of the few who have the opinion that TLJ rehashes an OT film.
Motivations are complete different though.
digital_ag said:
I've seen several of these "why I'm wrong about TLJ" videos and none of them seem to address any of the real issues.
They all seem to suggest that Rian J wanted break from the mold and that this is some stroke of genius many people didn't understand or like because of their preconceptions.
First off, one of the central themes of the movie is breaking from the past so, while it does have some meta appeal, it's not exactly subtle. RJ certainly wasn't shy about driving that point home. I'm not sure why these videos keep suggesting this is something the haters don't understand. In the video linked, the individual would agree with you. He suggests the them of breaking from the past is explicit in certain places.
I could point to so many things that are wrong with this movie without ever referring to anything associated with Star Wars. The pacing is terrible and disjointed, the comedy dialogue often hits its mark but then keeps going to the point of undoing the moment, the central plot of the resistance is logic defyingly stupid, the main enemy force displays such ineptitude that it invalidates them as any threat to the main characters, the newly introduced characters interfere with the established chemistry and dynamic of the characters we are already familiar with (Purple lady and Rose).
I have no comment on pacing. I personally did not think it was disjointed. I'm not sure what else the resistance could have done when they knew they were being chased and had no way of escape at the time the figure out they're being tracked through hyperspace. As far as the enemy - I would agree there is ineptness there. However, they still reduced the resistance to an amount of people that could all fit on the Falcon. That's pretty significant. I agree that Rose is a mistake. Wish they wouldn't have done that. I would have liked the addition of Haldo if she could have been in episode 9 as well.
Yes Rian did deviate from the past but its not the master stroke these videos seem to indicate it is. As a matter of fact I think he was so hell bent on not making something that related to the OT that he deviated in illogical places just for the sake of it being different.
The one thing I think Rian did that was somewhat genius was to not only make episode 9 wide open as far as just plot and story goes, but he also made Star Wars completely wide open. There is a whole new aspect to the force on the light and dark side that we have no idea where it's going. That's pretty exciting. I think it was somewhat of a master stroke to go that direction in my personal opinion.
digital_ag said:FTACO97 said:Since everyone else but TCTTS seemed to ignore this. I really liked this video and echoed many of the things my wife and I discussed after she saw it for the first time Saturday.CJS4715 said:
Thoughts?
I've seen several of these "why I'm wrong about TLJ" videos and none of them seem to address any of the real issues.
They all seem to suggest that Rian J wanted break from the mold and that this is some stroke of genius many people didn't understand or like because of their preconceptions.
First off, one of the central themes of the movie is breaking from the past so, while it does have some meta appeal, it's not exactly subtle. RJ certainly wasn't shy about driving that point home. I'm not sure why these videos keep suggesting this is something the haters don't understand.
I could point to so many things that are wrong with this movie without ever referring to anything associated with Star Wars. The pacing is terrible and disjointed, the comedy dialogue often hits its mark but then keeps going to the point of undoing the moment, the central plot of the resistance is logic defyingly stupid, the main enemy force displays such ineptitude that it invalidates them as any threat to the main characters, the newly introduced characters interfere with the established chemistry and dynamic of the characters we are already familiar with (Purple lady and Rose).
Yes Rian did deviate from the past but its not the master stroke these videos seem to indicate it is. As a matter of fact I think he was so hell bent on not making something that related to the OT that he deviated in illogical places just for the sake of it being different.
What new aspect is that, exactly?Quote:
The one thing I think Rian did that was somewhat genius was to not only make episode 9 wide open as far as just plot and story goes, but he also made Star Wars completely wide open. There is a whole new aspect to the force on the light and dark side that we have no idea where it's going. That's pretty exciting. I think it was somewhat of a master stroke to go that direction in my personal opinion.
redline248 said:What new aspect is that, exactly?Quote:
The one thing I think Rian did that was somewhat genius was to not only make episode 9 wide open as far as just plot and story goes, but he also made Star Wars completely wide open. There is a whole new aspect to the force on the light and dark side that we have no idea where it's going. That's pretty exciting. I think it was somewhat of a master stroke to go that direction in my personal opinion.
