*** SW: The Last Jedi - FULL SPOILERS BE IN HERE ***
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Thanks for posting that. I enjoyed listening to it.vwbug said:
Latest jedi council. I wonder if they liked this movie? If it made them "think" enough so we can all turn star wars into an intellectual phd conversation.
My guess - they say we need to see it twice - because we all know... you have to see a movie twice before you realize you really love it!
Has it occurred to anyone that Luke Skywalker's name officially checks out?
Projecting yourself across the galaxy = Skywalking.
Projecting yourself across the galaxy = Skywalking.
It's a space movie that's supposed to have cool battles and fights between good guys and bad guys. Trying to attach too much cerebral meaning and depth is just going to F it up. That is what happened here. They spent so much time trying to develop so many characters without stepping back to see if the story makes sense. The OT was not complicated.
'Last Jedi' Grosses Are Collapsing With The Worst Daily Holds Of All 9 Star Wars Movies
Talking about how the percentage holds are dropping, in comparison to the other films.
In North America, daily holds for the Rian Johnson-directed flick have been significantly worse than those experienced by Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, and if the pattern continues The Last Jedi could actually wind up doing not much better than the 2016 spin-off movie.
Not that Star Wars: The Last Jedi is in any danger of losing money. There's too much momentum behind the franchise, too many people who will pay to see it even when they've heard it's a disappointing mess. Disney could have called it The Star Wars Movie That Will Completely Turn You Off From Ever Seeing Another Star Wars Movie Again and it still would have collected $1.2 billion at the box office and turned a tidy profit.
But for Disney, and for anyone watching, this isn't really a matter of whether The Last Jedi turns over a billion or more in revenue. That was always an easy target. This is a matter of how well the film succeeds in meeting financial expectations, how well it fulfills the needs of the franchise, and whether it strengthens the Star Wars brand for future projects.
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The movie's flight trajectory will more than likely improve as schools let out for the holidays and Christmas week arrives.
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But in key markets like Korea and Mexico and China and India, places where The Force Awakens wasn't well received and audiences could go either way, The Last Jedi may burn that bridge, and truly turn off mass audiences from ever seeing another Star Wars movie again.
Talking about how the percentage holds are dropping, in comparison to the other films.
In North America, daily holds for the Rian Johnson-directed flick have been significantly worse than those experienced by Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, and if the pattern continues The Last Jedi could actually wind up doing not much better than the 2016 spin-off movie.
Not that Star Wars: The Last Jedi is in any danger of losing money. There's too much momentum behind the franchise, too many people who will pay to see it even when they've heard it's a disappointing mess. Disney could have called it The Star Wars Movie That Will Completely Turn You Off From Ever Seeing Another Star Wars Movie Again and it still would have collected $1.2 billion at the box office and turned a tidy profit.
But for Disney, and for anyone watching, this isn't really a matter of whether The Last Jedi turns over a billion or more in revenue. That was always an easy target. This is a matter of how well the film succeeds in meeting financial expectations, how well it fulfills the needs of the franchise, and whether it strengthens the Star Wars brand for future projects.
...
The movie's flight trajectory will more than likely improve as schools let out for the holidays and Christmas week arrives.
...
But in key markets like Korea and Mexico and China and India, places where The Force Awakens wasn't well received and audiences could go either way, The Last Jedi may burn that bridge, and truly turn off mass audiences from ever seeing another Star Wars movie again.
I get why people have their gripes and understand why some didn't care for the movie but I don't give two ****s what China or Mexico think about the movie.
I would prefer Hollywood stop catering to the overseas audiences (Great Wall among others)
I would prefer Hollywood stop catering to the overseas audiences (Great Wall among others)
I'll still watch the spinoffs, but i wont be at all using the next main theme movie as any kind of a stress release or something to look forward to at all.
so it really is The Star Wars Movie That Will Completely Turn You Off From Ever Seeing Another Star Wars Movie Again
so it really is The Star Wars Movie That Will Completely Turn You Off From Ever Seeing Another Star Wars Movie Again
Star Wars fans will always go see the next Star Wars movie.
What's the link here?
We just watched it. I thought it was very good.
The Leia flying thing was the low point. Made no sense and really did nothing for the story. She could have died there with no problem.
I don't think Luke is done in terms of us seeing him again. I also thought him becoming one with the Force was well done.
It is pretty clear Rey is someone. I'm certain most will be unhappy with whoever that someone is.
I really like them pulling the string that Siths are not fully bad and Jedi are not fully good. We now see that the Jedi have made some really bad decisions based on fear (Mace and Luke come to mind) that strengthen the dark side. Likewise Kylo's decision to not kill Rey had consequences that helps the light side.
And every movie benefits with more Chewy kicking ass.
Oh, and those saying it is the worst ever should be forced to watch the prequels for 24 hours straight. Including repeats of the horrid 'Let's-explain-the-force-is-midi-chlorians' explanation.
The Leia flying thing was the low point. Made no sense and really did nothing for the story. She could have died there with no problem.
I don't think Luke is done in terms of us seeing him again. I also thought him becoming one with the Force was well done.
It is pretty clear Rey is someone. I'm certain most will be unhappy with whoever that someone is.
I really like them pulling the string that Siths are not fully bad and Jedi are not fully good. We now see that the Jedi have made some really bad decisions based on fear (Mace and Luke come to mind) that strengthen the dark side. Likewise Kylo's decision to not kill Rey had consequences that helps the light side.
And every movie benefits with more Chewy kicking ass.
Oh, and those saying it is the worst ever should be forced to watch the prequels for 24 hours straight. Including repeats of the horrid 'Let's-explain-the-force-is-midi-chlorians' explanation.
I get wanting to assume that Kylo was intentionally lying and that Rey really is "somebody", but remember, here's the thing.....the geniuses in charge have decided not to plan anything out and simply allow each director to wing it in each movie. So Johnson was allowed to just make the decision in TLJ that Rey was a nobody, but then acknowledge in an interview that in the very next movie, guess what?
Basically nobody knows!
So, for now....you're wrong, Rey is a nobody. But in the next movie....who knows?
Wheee, isn't this fun?
Basically nobody knows!
So, for now....you're wrong, Rey is a nobody. But in the next movie....who knows?
Wheee, isn't this fun?
forbes article.wesag said:
What's the link here?
from their entertainment section.
This one will not, at least anywhere near opening week.Bruce Almighty said:
Star Wars fans will always go see the next Star Wars movie.
The **** show around Solo will have me wait it out a week or two to see if it is any good.
I am already of the opinion it was not a good idea to do this movie, so...
I liked TFA. Yes, it was completely ripped from the original trilogy, but the characters felt real, mostly made sense, and it was fun.
TLJ did not and was not.
Yes, I will see the final film, but again, it will be after a significant delay.
So what's the back story on Snoke? Is there one? Aside from John Williams reusing the Emperor's theme in the music for Snoke, where is he from and how did he gain so much power?
"Aggies don't lie, cheat, or steal, nor do they tolerate those who do!" - Aggie Code of Honor
We will never know any of this
bobinator said:One thing I'm absolutely certain of is that they wanted to leave open that Kylo could conceivably end up as a good guy again which is why I think they scrapped the idea of Kylo and Luke actually having a showdown. If he would have actually killed him, then there's no way he could conceivably become a good guy again, but he didn't.IrishAg said:
Judging by the back and forth we're all having in this, I'm pretty sure the larger issue with this movie is that it appears the director/writers came up with moments they wanted: Luke fading away with the sunset, Admiral Prissy Pants hyperspace torpedo (which why couldn't they do that with one of the other ships earlier?), the look into all rich people are evil on canto bight, etc... and then threw together the script to make those scenes/moments work. This would explain why almost everyone seems to be having trouble making sense and/or justifying any of the character motivations in this movie.
As I told someone who hasn't seen it when they asked for an honest opinion, I was disappointed, there were moments I loved, but the movie just didn't feel like Star Wars. And after they saw it, they completely agreed with me. Great moments, but nothing seems to fit right.
I also think this was a decision that was made very late in the process. I don't know that for sure, but that's my wild speculation.
Kylo is a white male. No way does Disney allow redemption. I'll go back to the politics board now.
97 said:
So what's the back story on Snoke? Is there one? Aside from John Williams reusing the Emperor's theme in the music for Snoke, where is he from and how did he gain so much power?
Snoke turned out to be a useless throwaway character. And a poorly done CGI one at that.
Just wait for the upcoming book and comic series to get the real story.....97 said:
So what's the back story on Snoke? Is there one? Aside from John Williams reusing the Emperor's theme in the music for Snoke, where is he from and how did he gain so much power?
- Disney marketing
SeattleAgJr said:Just wait for the upcoming book and comic series to get the real story.....97 said:
So what's the back story on Snoke? Is there one? Aside from John Williams reusing the Emperor's theme in the music for Snoke, where is he from and how did he gain so much power?
- Disney marketing
Ahhhhhh, I forgot about the almighty dollar!
"Aggies don't lie, cheat, or steal, nor do they tolerate those who do!" - Aggie Code of Honor
I loved the movie and was totally entertained for 2 hours and 32 minutes. Like all Olds, Star Wars has a lot of momentum with me, so I'll always be forgiving, no matter if it's Space Leia or Jar Jar Binks.
However, for better or worse, I'm starting to wonder if these movies are a continuation of the Star Wars saga or pieced together reboots of the original trilogy.
- sand instead of snow in the 2nd movie (they had to include it in the dialogue to distinguish from Hoth)
- Kylo vs Rey in front of Snoke compared to Luke vs Vader in front of Palpatine (both during a space battle where the Rebel are losing)
- sneaking on the Empire ship to disable stuff.
- Luke goes out just like Obi Wan
- Poe vs Han Solo as the gritty resist command guy
- return of the walkers
Kylo Ren is my favorite character. He knows how to be angry and tear stuff up!
However, for better or worse, I'm starting to wonder if these movies are a continuation of the Star Wars saga or pieced together reboots of the original trilogy.
- sand instead of snow in the 2nd movie (they had to include it in the dialogue to distinguish from Hoth)
- Kylo vs Rey in front of Snoke compared to Luke vs Vader in front of Palpatine (both during a space battle where the Rebel are losing)
- sneaking on the Empire ship to disable stuff.
- Luke goes out just like Obi Wan
- Poe vs Han Solo as the gritty resist command guy
- return of the walkers
Kylo Ren is my favorite character. He knows how to be angry and tear stuff up!
cbr said:
Let's see, you have the keys to the most iconic movie franchise in history, and three of the most iconic Hollywood heroes ever --- Luke the magic farmboy, son of the devil, Solo the galaxy's most beloved scoundrel, and Princess Leia, no further introduction needed.
Together they get the death star plans to the ancient hero of old, who gets them to the rebellion, and they blow up the death star (two of them); they turn the devil himself into a good guy, and save the galaxy from the evil galactic empire that was generations, and 3 bad prequels, in the making.
Heroes of the galaxy.
Peace, love and prosperity.
Yay. good start. Ewoks dancing (ok that part sucked).
Now let's see, here is what you come up with for the next installment:
* solo has a kid with leia, they send him to jedi boarding school. Solo ditches leia and goes off drinking with Chuy (I know, it's Chewie, but this is a multi cultural world now) for 20 years. They put on such a binge they can't even find the falcon, which wound up in some junk heap, though apparently anyone else can the minute it fires up.
* leia apparently does.... well, not much, considering her kid is in jedi boarding school, hubby is out honkytonking, and the galaxy goes to **** immediately again under her watch.
* she then apparently has to start a new rebellion, only one that sucks this time and no one cares about, including luke and han. apparently the best second in command she can find is some smarmy purple-haired captain bligh with a strong case ***** envy.
* meanwhile luke ****s up jedi school and makes another darth vader out of his nephew, then decides that he wants to go hide away and die. why? because he doesnt want to create another vader. never mind trying to create another good jedi, to make up for the new vader he just sicked on the galaxy. He's fine with that.
(but he left a map - i guess he's really crying for help? This is the sensitive century we're in after all).
* luke then spends 20 years sucking tit off of jabba's fat niece and doing who knows what with those frog maids on some ugly island by himself.
* r2D2 is just an old pile of junk in the corner now.
* after 60+ years, leia finally finds her jedi powers to become Mary Poppinssickle in space, and then promptly settles in for a nothing burger the rest of the movie. Carrie Fisher's last act as a true american icon is to say 'dont look at me, follow that pilot I just slapped and demoted, and who I just shot with a stun gun during a mutiny he was staging against my two-faced purple haired second in command, who was leading us all to certain death, all for a cause no one gives a **** about.'
* despite everything hanging in the balance, luke and yoda decide to hang out at the campfire: '**** it, let's roast marshmellows on all that jedi crap that we spent a thousand years putting together and let some random teenager go fight the new evil empire we pretty much created, all by herself "
* Luke then, presumably hung over, decides to force himself to death doing nothing to nobody, which gave the last 15 rebels no one cares about an extra three minutes to crawl in a cave and get ready to be slaughtered.
luckily that teenage girl they wouldn't train or help or even give some better shoes figured out how to find and rescue them by lifting rocks on her own, after luke already checked out.
throw in an annoying multi - time turncoat idiot, a couple of 'doll - selling nothings', a new emperor with no name (but a cool new gold smoking jacket - maybe Snokes is actually Hugh Heffner?), yet another death star, yet another walker attack in the snow, and more crappy CGI on an hour long failed sideshow, and wow, is this the best you can do?
I honestly think just about any fan could have come up with a better story line. Killing off Han, Luke, and losing Carrie Fisher like that is really really ****ty.
you're full of ****, and you are going to see the next movie opening day. It's honestly really weird how passionately you are hating this movie.SeattleAgJr said:This one will not, at least anywhere near opening week.Bruce Almighty said:
Star Wars fans will always go see the next Star Wars movie.
The **** show around Solo will have me wait it out a week or two to see if it is any good.
I am already of the opinion it was not a good idea to do this movie, so...
I liked TFA. Yes, it was completely ripped from the original trilogy, but the characters felt real, mostly made sense, and it was fun.
TLJ did not and was not.
Yes, I will see the final film, but again, it will be after a significant delay.
The only person full of **** here is you who presumes to know what I will or will not do.PatAg said:
you're full of ****, and you are going to see the next movie opening day. It's honestly really weird how passionately you are hating this movie.
TLJ sucked. plain and simple. I have stated that numerous times here.
Well I didn't give a **** about the Solo movie before TLJ, and I will continue to not give a **** now.
I will however be there for episode 9 with blind devotion despite TLJ.
I will however be there for episode 9 with blind devotion despite TLJ.
This thread
I won't if there's as much divided opinion about Solo or Ep IX after it opens. I can live without new Star Wars movies. James Bond, on the other hand...Bruce Almighty said:
Star Wars fans will always go see the next Star Wars movie.
I'm tired of hearing "cerebral", "thought-provoking", or "challenging" in regards to Last Jedi.
James Joyce's Ulysses was all of those things. And after 100 years it's still unreadable crap that influenced nobody.
Give me a good story and get out of the way.
James Joyce's Ulysses was all of those things. And after 100 years it's still unreadable crap that influenced nobody.
Give me a good story and get out of the way.
I didn't think it cerebral whatsoever. What did I miss?
SeattleAgJr said:The only person full of **** here is you who presumes to know what I will or will not do.PatAg said:
you're full of ****, and you are going to see the next movie opening day. It's honestly really weird how passionately you are hating this movie.
TLJ sucked. plain and simple. I have stated that numerous times here.
We hadn't noticed.
Saw it last night...
After skimming this thread I agree with most of the "This is what I liked vs This is what I disliked" posts.
It seems like most of the diehards(defined as people that read fan fiction, comics, books) disliked the film?
I enjoyed that this movie was different from the usual Star Wars formula. It wasn't what I expected, (or wanted in some cases), but I am glad for the new story telling.
I'm really curious what direction they will take in the next movie. Will the next movie end a trilogy?
My fearless predictions for the next movie: (1) no love triangles are solved (2) First order begins work on another planet destroyer (3) Rey begins to teach others about the force (4) Po turns out to be a force user and takes lessons from Rey
After skimming this thread I agree with most of the "This is what I liked vs This is what I disliked" posts.
It seems like most of the diehards(defined as people that read fan fiction, comics, books) disliked the film?
I enjoyed that this movie was different from the usual Star Wars formula. It wasn't what I expected, (or wanted in some cases), but I am glad for the new story telling.
I'm really curious what direction they will take in the next movie. Will the next movie end a trilogy?
My fearless predictions for the next movie: (1) no love triangles are solved (2) First order begins work on another planet destroyer (3) Rey begins to teach others about the force (4) Po turns out to be a force user and takes lessons from Rey
My new prediction is the "clue" ending. We see an ending, they say just kidding, and then film another way...
That way, they can cover everyone's theories.
That way, they can cover everyone's theories.
My most satisfactory moment that gave rise to my own personal "f*** yes" fist shaking moment was Kylo's accession with the dark side take on the millennia old new accession utterance:
Kylie: "The Supreme Leader is dead."
[force choking begins]
Hux: [not wanting to say it, but powerless to resist] Long live the Supreme Leader.
Damn that was a thing of beauty.
Kylie: "The Supreme Leader is dead."
[force choking begins]
Hux: [not wanting to say it, but powerless to resist] Long live the Supreme Leader.
Damn that was a thing of beauty.
A few quick points here -
- The bomber scene in the opening battle was absurd. I realize it was an homage to WWII bombing raids, but come on. Dropping bombs in outer space on another ship, flown in by low speed craft. The suspension of disbelief was too much.
- The entire Rose storyline was superfluous. Seems like they are setting up another movie based on the little kids in casinoland and needed a vehicle to get them there. The movie was already too long, could have cut 20min of that crap.
- Luke storyline was OK, IMO. It was nuanced.
- Preachy message on weapons. Beat a dead horse.
- I'm curious how much say Johnson actually had. Seems like these movies are so big that no one is going to be able to execute a vision without running through 14 producers. It was disjointed.
- The bomber scene in the opening battle was absurd. I realize it was an homage to WWII bombing raids, but come on. Dropping bombs in outer space on another ship, flown in by low speed craft. The suspension of disbelief was too much.
- The entire Rose storyline was superfluous. Seems like they are setting up another movie based on the little kids in casinoland and needed a vehicle to get them there. The movie was already too long, could have cut 20min of that crap.
- Luke storyline was OK, IMO. It was nuanced.
- Preachy message on weapons. Beat a dead horse.
- I'm curious how much say Johnson actually had. Seems like these movies are so big that no one is going to be able to execute a vision without running through 14 producers. It was disjointed.
Saw it again and like it the second time more. Knowing what's going to happen snaps some of the dialogue, plot, and motives into place...
Rose is still a dip**** for putting her own self interest (saving Finn) ahead of the group's holdoff / escape...
Canto Bight was more bearable... but still out of place.
Snoke's downfall was better the 2nd time. It really brought out the power-grab resolution of Kylo.
I still don't understand how Finn and Rose don't have a scratch and all the armored stormies are dead from the light speed torpedo/cruiser...
Rose is still a dip**** for putting her own self interest (saving Finn) ahead of the group's holdoff / escape...
Canto Bight was more bearable... but still out of place.
Snoke's downfall was better the 2nd time. It really brought out the power-grab resolution of Kylo.
I still don't understand how Finn and Rose don't have a scratch and all the armored stormies are dead from the light speed torpedo/cruiser...
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