Electrical_Ag said:

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Also, was anyone but me disappointed Kylo smashed his mask?

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jokershady said:

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Haven't had a chance to read through entire thread (made it about half way through) and saw a lot of similar responses. After watching the film Saturday and thinking it over (still plan on seeing it again) I'm liking the movie a little more, for one main reason...

This film sets up the villains in the same way TFA sets up the new heroes. Think about how you felt about General Hux & Kylo Ren after the first film. I know I wasn't sold on them at all and Snoke was a big mystery. They simply didn't have the time needed to devote and develop these characters when they had to introduce Finn, Poe, and Rey, and on top of that work in Han, Leia, and have all of that revolve around Luke. Holy crap that was a lot.

Now this film, we see real quick the strength and influence of Snoke right from the start when he basically calls Kylo a p***y and after that it gets revealed he was influencing Rey and Kylo's communications between each of them. The entire time he was on screen I wanted more of him. He had a much greater presence than Ian McDermit in ROTS and way better dialogue than ROTJ.

And we get much more of Hux and Kylo in this film, and it left me loving their characters much more. The initial conflict with Kylo and then the scene in Snoke's throne room was one of the highlights of the film. But even afterwards his showdown with Luke and hatred towards him was very believable and much better than what was done in TFA. Hux grew on me too in this one. Loved seeing the conflict between him and Kylo (remembered how he was reaching for his pistol to shoot Kylo right before he regained consciousness after the fight with Rey).

While I'm not saying this film is flawless (believe me, floating Leia was terrible), I think it takes on a different vibe when you realize this was about giving the villains more time to show their growth.

I also have something to add regarding Luke and a lot of people wanting to see him go crazy on the First Order and Kylo. I still thought he felt guilty about creating Kylo in the first place. Remember how he told the final story to Rey, that he only thought about killing Ben for a brief moment, then realized it was a mistake...except Ben woke up at the wrong moment seeing the saber on and the rest was history.

I think because of that he realized he was better help to the Resistance to provide them a means to escape and then be a voice of guidance to Rey to help HER destroy Kylo much in the same way Obi-wan helped Luke destroy the first Death Star and with training and guidance afterwards.

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"I can't speak to what they're going to do. And there's always, in these movies, a question of 'a certain point of view,'" Johnson said.
"But for me, in that moment, Kylo believes it's the truth," Johnson added. "I don't think he's purely playing chess. I think that's what he saw when they touched fingers and that's what he believes. And when he tells her that in that moment, she believes it."

"The easiest thing for Rey and the audience to hear is, Oh yeah, you're so-and-so's daughter. That would be wish fulfillment and instantly hand her a place in this story on a silver platter."
"The hardest thing for her is to hear she's not going to get that easy answer. Not only that, but Kylo is going to use the fact that you don't get that answer to try and weaken you so you have to lean on him," Johnson says. "You're going to have to find the strength to stand on your own two feet and define yourself in this story."

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Also, why doesn't Rey have a love interest? Is it supposed to be Kylo? They danced around it being Finn in TFA but they introduced a new character for him. I suppose it's not a necessity but it seems kinda strange for this type of movie.

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Also, why doesn't Rey have a love interest? Is it supposed to be Kylo? They danced around it being Finn in TFA but they introduced a new character for him. I suppose it's not a necessity but it seems kinda strange for this type of movie.

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I mean, she seems to draw in all the boys. Finn within minutes, Kylo all throughout this movie, and then Poe right at the end. Even Han was enamored with her pretty quick, only not in a romantic way. She seemed to be looking at Finn and Rose in a knowing manner, as if her relationship with him will only be platonic.

One quick note: I won't be able to tolerate much romance b/w Finn and Rose. complete out of left field, nonsense.

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Quad Dog said:

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One more writing complaint: we can't think anything profound for our characters to say so we'll have Chewy say it and then they can agree.

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VikingNik said:

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Hux was onto Kylo at the end.

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3rdGen2015 said:

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Honest question, how would you have done Luke's death? Because him peacefully becoming one with the Force while the Binary Sunset theme plays is exactly how I would have done it.

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For me it wasn't about the literal depiction of death as it was that this apparently fit Jedi master in his 60s just sort of rolled over and died for no reason.

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dromo07 said:

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Just think about how they are going to kill Chewie in the next one...

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Electrical_Ag said:

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Also, was anyone but me disappointed Kylo smashed his mask?

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Only because I think he looks like a SW nerd who somehow found his way onto a SW set.

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For the record, Abrams absolutely loved Johnson's script, to the point where he was jealous he wasn't directing it. I've seen it mentioned a few times now here that the two clearly weren't on the same page or that Abrams must have hated what Johnson did to certain threads, but that's just not the case. I'm not taking a side here, just stating the facts.

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Interesting point. I would love to read a statement to that effect. Can u provide a link?

Because my problem with the movie is not that it tears down a lot of the Star Wars tropes, it's that TFA built up tropes and hinted at backstory, and then TLJ rolled around and it was as though Rian Johnson had watched TFA while texting and being half drunk, missed every important element of foreshadowing and then came out of the viewing and said "**** it! I am going to make my own Star Wars movie!"

It's not that Rey is no one. It's not that Luke dies. It's the hows and the why's that suck. There is no why. Nothing that was shown to be important in the first movie is actually important at all.

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Saw it. Overall I like the macro story. But this movies was just way too much packed into a singular plot in time. Way too many references trying to be funny that just didn't fit in the Star Wars universe. Flying Leia was prequel cringe worthy. And the casino planet subplot was as cringe worthy as jar jar.

In other words, the story was great, but you could have told it in half the time and had a cleaner, simpler, more down to earth movie.

Lastly, the way smoke was defeated was awesome.. it just would have been nice that we knew even a little bit about him before that. Regardless, it's obvious that the big difference between the originals and these is that Kylo is absolutely the darkest force in the galaxy and the main villain.

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http://ew.com/article/2015/12/23/jj-abrams-star-wars-episode-viii/

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nickstro66 said:

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In y'alls opinion, is Rose a worse character than Jar Jar?

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TCTTS said:

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It's been discussed since then as well, mainly on Twitter. That's just the only thing I could find on record.

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TCTTS said:

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I'm just the messenger. All I know is that JJ liked the story. Doesn't necessarily mean that I did too.

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FTACO97 said:

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"Rose & Finn subplot. Served zero purpose" - I see this complaint everywhere. There was a plan that they concocted with Poe and there was a purpose for them going there. They need to get aboard the lead Star Destroyer and destroy the hyperspace tracker. Can't get aboard without being detected. "Codebreaker" can do it, according to Maz. So Poe, Finn and Rose decide to keep it a secret (poor choice) and Finn & Rose set out to find this guy. The plan ultimately fails and I think the purpose was to show Poe was being reckless and needed to work with his leadership.

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TCTTS said:

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For the record, Abrams absolutely loved Johnson's script, to the point where he was jealous he wasn't directing it. I've seen it mentioned a few times now here that the two clearly weren't on the same page or that Abrams must have hated what Johnson did to certain threads, but that's just not the case. I'm not taking a side here, just stating the facts.

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Interesting point. I would love to read a statement to that effect. Can u provide a link?

Because my problem with the movie is not that it tears down a lot of the Star Wars tropes, it's that TFA built up tropes and hinted at backstory, and then TLJ rolled around and it was as though Rian Johnson had watched TFA while texting and being half drunk, missed every important element of foreshadowing and then came out of the viewing and said "**** it! I am going to make my own Star Wars movie!"

It's not that Rey is no one. It's not that Luke dies. It's the hows and the why's that suck. There is no why. Nothing that was shown to be important in the first movie is actually important at all.

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dromo07 said:

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Just think about how they are going to kill Chewie in the next one...

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YouBet said:

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Folks need to get over the space physics inconsistencies. That has been present in copious amounts in every movie. I wrote that one off immediately.

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