I kinda wish the gorilla walkers would have done something cool. I was stoked when I saw those in the preview.
*** SW: The Last Jedi - FULL SPOILERS BE IN HERE ***
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So I watched it last night.
this one is better than all the prequels, TFA and Return of the Jedi. it is probably on par with Rogue one for me.
the worst thing was Leia flying through space, but past that I loved it and my kids loved it.
I would agree that I would have rather seen Luke go beserk but that isn't the point of what they were trying to relay with his character. ( See Poe's transformation) And Luke will be back the next episode that is pretty obvious. He even said see-ya around kid to Kylo. Just like Han said to him.
Rey will be overpowered in the next one as well.
And speaking to the force projection Luke, Besides not showing red on the salt, and the blue light saber, I found it humorous that Luke added the force projection Just for Men to his beard and hair.
And to Finn, Phasma, and other story lines not be fleshed out, who cares. but It will be interesting if Finn goes after the code breaker.
bobinator said:I agree with this, but I do also agree it's an odd choice by Luke. So was making his force projection look better groomed than his actual self. "I need to look good for this" seems like a weird thought for a Jedi.Ag Since 83 said:
I think a) it was a hint to the audience paying attention, and b) a sign of just how blinded by anger Kylo was. Not sloppy writing
(To be clear, this isn't something that really even registered on the bothered me scale, just thought it was odd)
That was odd to me, too. The only thing I could think was that he wanted to look just like he did when they last saw him years before. Just for Jedi hair dye doesn't seem like it would fly off the shelves.
You stole the joke I was making.
I can understand people who liked this movie a lot more than I did, different strokes and all that, but this seems like a bridge too far.Brennus said:
it is probably on par with Rogue one for me.
Rogue One was really, really good.
Just before Luke fades away did anyone else see three shapes in the clouds that looked an awful lot like Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Yoda? They were almost like reverse silhouettes
Yeah, I've seen people say that and agree that it would have been cool, but then I remind myself that Mark Hamill is older now than Alec Guiness was when ANH came out.Brennus said:
I would agree that I would have rather seen Luke go beserk but that isn't the point of what they were trying to relay with his character.
Dont understand how yall can love this POS TLJ and hate on TFA. Watched TFA with my wife before we went Saturday- and that's a dang good Star Wars.
One last thing!!
Best Lightsaber battle and Best Music (Duel of the fates): Phantom Menace
don't @ me
One last thing!!
Best Lightsaber battle and Best Music (Duel of the fates): Phantom Menace
don't @ me
Me neither.cr0wbar said:
Dont understand how yall can love this POS TLJ and hate on TFA. Watched TFA with my wife before we went Saturday- and that's a dang good Star Wars.
TFA was way better than this garbage.
Why is it so shocking that someone likes one movie a whole lot and doesn't like another.bobinator said:I can understand people who liked this movie a lot more than I did, different strokes and all that, but this seems like a bridge too far.Brennus said:
it is probably on par with Rogue one for me.
Rogue One was really, really good.
I liked this one more than Rogue One. I thought it was boring until the final act.bobinator said:I can understand people who liked this movie a lot more than I did, different strokes and all that, but this seems like a bridge too far.Brennus said:
it is probably on par with Rogue one for me.
Rogue One was really, really good.
Agree...maybe it's the biggest troll in world history and some theaters are getting the good version...Dr. Teeth said:Me neither.cr0wbar said:
Dont understand how yall can love this POS TLJ and hate on TFA. Watched TFA with my wife before we went Saturday- and that's a dang good Star Wars.
TFA was way better than this garbage.
Either way I need to stay away from this thread. The more I read, the more I'm pissed that Rian/Disney screwed up this movie so badly.
It's like when I saw David Yates would be doing the last 2 Harry Potter movie after thoroughly screwing up the previous 2. I knew they would be bad and sure enough, they were.
Now that he is doing the last one, and potentially 3 more, I'm not even excited about them. I'll probably find a matinee time to go to and avoid any crowds and pay less at the box office. Also can't see myself buying the digital DL on Amazon for this or any others if Rian is still in control.
I just wonder what people saw that I didn't.wangus12 said:Why is it so shocking that someone likes one movie a whole lot and doesn't like another.bobinator said:I can understand people who liked this movie a lot more than I did, different strokes and all that, but this seems like a bridge too far.Brennus said:
it is probably on par with Rogue one for me.
Rogue One was really, really good.
Or that they didn't notice this movie basically ignoring all of the Star Wars that came before it.
Luke, who went to the second Death Star to try to redeem his father, who is probably the most evil person in the galaxy, knowing he was probably going to die in the attempt... is going to kill his nephew because he was starting to wander toward the dark side? Complete and utter BS.
Dr. Teeth said:
Luke, who went to the second Death Star to try to redeem his father, who is probably the most evil person in the galaxy... is going to kill his nephew because he was starting to wander toward the dark side? Complete and utter BS.
Have you ever worked with children? A few weeks of that crap and you start thinking about how easy it would be to snuff one out.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU DO IT! But maybe stand there with a lightsaber thinking about it.
Luke knew Kylo had issues, when he looked deeper he something frightening and reacted for an instance. He had a moment of weakness he never truly got over.Dr. Teeth said:I just wonder what people saw that I didn't.wangus12 said:Why is it so shocking that someone likes one movie a whole lot and doesn't like another.bobinator said:I can understand people who liked this movie a lot more than I did, different strokes and all that, but this seems like a bridge too far.Brennus said:
it is probably on par with Rogue one for me.
Rogue One was really, really good.
Or that they didn't notice this movie basically ignoring all of the Star Wars that came before it.
Luke, who went to the second Death Star to try to redeem his father, who is probably the most evil person in the galaxy, knowing he was probably going to die in the attempt... is going to kill his nephew because he was starting to wander toward the dark side? Complete and utter BS.
and yes, it's in his character. He reacted in anger against his father when he mentioned Leia... he tapped into that anger to hack away at Darth and cut his hand off.
You know. After seeing it again, this movie not only was disappointing but it actually sort of pisses me off.
I see why Hamill was pissed, it was a waste of his character and frankly embarrassing,as well as nonsensical.
And the whole theme of 'everyone but Rey is a ****up, we may as well burn it all down, and we have to make our heroes look like ass' is pretty ****ty.
They should have let that cowardly, stupid, annoying-not-funny- multi - time turncoat Finn redeem himself with that cannon enema and been done with him.
I don't even know what the point of that snotty purple haired ***** was, other than being such a completely ****ty leader and insulting and baiting her best people so badly they mutinied on her smug ass and she had to get bailed out - in yet another corny nonsensical scene for leia. Fishers last work really deserved much better. Not to mention the fans.
Then the two faced purple ***** lies about 'liking him'?
Not to mention that her 'plan' would have had them all dead in an hour unless BOTH Rey and loser Luke decided to do some random poking around to save their asses independently, and the pilot dude figured out they shouldn't just stand there and watch.
No wonder the rebellion couldn't accomplish **** and no one in the whole galaxy even cared.
Honestly what the **** is this all about anyway? Al that **** they did in the first 6 movies and here we are 15 years later with no fluffy lovely nice peaceful galaxy but ANOTHER empire and another struggling rebellion.
The real message here actually is this: sell fighters to both sides and laugh all the way to the casino.
I see why Hamill was pissed, it was a waste of his character and frankly embarrassing,as well as nonsensical.
And the whole theme of 'everyone but Rey is a ****up, we may as well burn it all down, and we have to make our heroes look like ass' is pretty ****ty.
They should have let that cowardly, stupid, annoying-not-funny- multi - time turncoat Finn redeem himself with that cannon enema and been done with him.
I don't even know what the point of that snotty purple haired ***** was, other than being such a completely ****ty leader and insulting and baiting her best people so badly they mutinied on her smug ass and she had to get bailed out - in yet another corny nonsensical scene for leia. Fishers last work really deserved much better. Not to mention the fans.
Then the two faced purple ***** lies about 'liking him'?
Not to mention that her 'plan' would have had them all dead in an hour unless BOTH Rey and loser Luke decided to do some random poking around to save their asses independently, and the pilot dude figured out they shouldn't just stand there and watch.
No wonder the rebellion couldn't accomplish **** and no one in the whole galaxy even cared.
Honestly what the **** is this all about anyway? Al that **** they did in the first 6 movies and here we are 15 years later with no fluffy lovely nice peaceful galaxy but ANOTHER empire and another struggling rebellion.
The real message here actually is this: sell fighters to both sides and laugh all the way to the casino.
Problem is that lighting your lightsaber over someone sleeping in a tent is just a "moment of weakness." Like, he had to think about it, walk to Kylo's hut, stand over him and then actually turn on the lightsaber.Flashdiaz said:
Luke knew Kylo had issues, when he looked deeper he something frightening and reacted for an instance. He had a moment of weakness he never truly got over.
and yes, it's in his character. He reacted in anger against his father when he mentioned Leia... he tapped into that anger to hack away at Darth and cut his hand off.
It's not like he had a stray thought or they were practicing their lightsabering skills and he got a little carried away for a second... This also bothered me, not only because of what it means for Luke's character, but because it's possibly the most important emotional moment for both Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren and it happened in between trilogies.
Skimming the original thread for The Last Jedi is a gut punch. Two things I said within the first two pages.
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I'm not going to be able to deal with a Luke death... I hope it doesn't happen.
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Disney is doing good work, but I believe they'll make me hate the Star Wars universe before it is all said and done.
no. He went to him to take a deeper look into him and was standing over him doing his force snooping when he saw something that was much worse than he expected. What if he saw Han's death and\or Leia blowing up with him piloting a version of a tie fighter?bobinator said:Problem is that lighting your lightsaber over someone sleeping in a tent is just a "moment of weakness." Like, he had to think about it, walk to Kylo's hut, stand over him and then actually turn on the lightsaber.Flashdiaz said:
Luke knew Kylo had issues, when he looked deeper he something frightening and reacted for an instance. He had a moment of weakness he never truly got over.
and yes, it's in his character. He reacted in anger against his father when he mentioned Leia... he tapped into that anger to hack away at Darth and cut his hand off.
This is making a couple of assumptions that I'm not sure are true. You have to be in close proximity to someone to read their thoughts? And, does Luke even have that ability? Even Yoda couldn't see people's future's that clearly.Flashdiaz said:
no. He went to him to take a deeper look into him and was standing over him doing his force snooping when he saw something that was much worse than he expected. What if he saw Han's death and\or Leia blowing up with him piloting a version of a tie fighter?
"Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.."Flashdiaz said:no. He went to him to take a deeper look into him and was standing over him doing his force snooping when he saw something that was much worse than he expected. What if he saw Han's death and\or Leia blowing up with him piloting a version of a tie fighter?bobinator said:Problem is that lighting your lightsaber over someone sleeping in a tent is just a "moment of weakness." Like, he had to think about it, walk to Kylo's hut, stand over him and then actually turn on the lightsaber.Flashdiaz said:
Luke knew Kylo had issues, when he looked deeper he something frightening and reacted for an instance. He had a moment of weakness he never truly got over.
and yes, it's in his character. He reacted in anger against his father when he mentioned Leia... he tapped into that anger to hack away at Darth and cut his hand off.
Yoda
But I shouldn't bother to reference Force powers from previous movies since apparently that's frowned upon by Disney.
"The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see the future is."
Judging by the back and forth we're all having in this, I'm pretty sure the larger issue with this movie is that it appears the director/writers came up with moments they wanted: Luke fading away with the sunset, Admiral Prissy Pants hyperspace torpedo (which why couldn't they do that with one of the other ships earlier?), the look into all rich people are evil on canto bight, etc... and then threw together the script to make those scenes/moments work. This would explain why almost everyone seems to be having trouble making sense and/or justifying any of the character motivations in this movie.
As I told someone who hasn't seen it when they asked for an honest opinion, I was disappointed, there were moments I loved, but the movie just didn't feel like Star Wars. And after they saw it, they completely agreed with me. Great moments, but nothing seems to fit right.
As I told someone who hasn't seen it when they asked for an honest opinion, I was disappointed, there were moments I loved, but the movie just didn't feel like Star Wars. And after they saw it, they completely agreed with me. Great moments, but nothing seems to fit right.
SpreadsheetAg said:According to that article nothing was planned. They let the actors decide what to do:vwbug said:
Wonder if this was planned, or damage control:
https://makingstarwars.net/2017/12/spoilers-rian-johnson-discusses-luke-snoke-phasma-reys-parentage-reveal-star-wars-last-jedi/These people had no Director or Leadership on set... it was a gaggle-**** of competing ideas, which shows in the movie.Quote:
"I think we were talking about it and it was Daisy [Ridley] actually who said it should just be Gwendoline's beautiful, piercing eye," Johnson said. "Just this perfect blue eye behind this metal monster. I loved that image."
This is my biggest issue....how the **** are you going to leave the biggest franchise in movie history basically rudderless and at the mercy of the whims of the directors and actors?
i've seen it twice, i'm an expert lol.bobinator said:This is making a couple of assumptions that I'm not sure are true. You have to be in close proximity to someone to read their thoughts? And, does Luke even have that ability? Even Yoda couldn't see people's future's that clearly.Flashdiaz said:
no. He went to him to take a deeper look into him and was standing over him doing his force snooping when he saw something that was much worse than he expected. What if he saw Han's death and\or Leia blowing up with him piloting a version of a tie fighter?
Luke does say he saw flashes of darkness while training, then he went in to 'take a look' and saw something much darker. Maybe not clear but dark. While he's saying this they are showing him go into his hut, do that hand thing then get a scared look and ignite his saber then turn it off. I never got the impression he went in there with the pre-meditated intent to kill him.
Maybe Luke has to be in close proximity because he just learned the trick.
Either way, it's not out of Luke's character to 'lose it', he did it in ROTJ. While there is plenty wrong with this movie, this one doesn't bother me.
One thing I'm absolutely certain of is that they wanted to leave open that Kylo could conceivably end up as a good guy again which is why I think they scrapped the idea of Kylo and Luke actually having a showdown. If he would have actually killed him, then there's no way he could conceivably become a good guy again, but he didn't.IrishAg said:
Judging by the back and forth we're all having in this, I'm pretty sure the larger issue with this movie is that it appears the director/writers came up with moments they wanted: Luke fading away with the sunset, Admiral Prissy Pants hyperspace torpedo (which why couldn't they do that with one of the other ships earlier?), the look into all rich people are evil on canto bight, etc... and then threw together the script to make those scenes/moments work. This would explain why almost everyone seems to be having trouble making sense and/or justifying any of the character motivations in this movie.
As I told someone who hasn't seen it when they asked for an honest opinion, I was disappointed, there were moments I loved, but the movie just didn't feel like Star Wars. And after they saw it, they completely agreed with me. Great moments, but nothing seems to fit right.
I also think this was a decision that was made very late in the process. I don't know that for sure, but that's my wild speculation.
It's way down the list for me, but the fact that this whole interaction happened off-screen is higher on the list. Like, this moment where Luke turns on Kylo has shaped everything that's going on right now. It caused the death of Han Solo, it caused Leia to lose her son and the man she loves (both because he went back into smuggling and later because he died), it caused Luke Skywalker to go into hiding. So this moment has huge ramifications for everyone, and we don't really get to see what caused it.
It just occurred to me that Disney was adamant that getting rid of the Expanded Universe was necessary to avoid confusion with the movies due to story contradictions and improbable timelines. I'm so glad that they avoided doing that with The Last....oh, wait.
twilly said:
It just occurred to me that Disney was adamant that getting rid of the Expanded Universe was necessary to avoid confusion with the movies due to story contradictions and improbable timelines. I'm so glad that they avoided doing that with The Last....oh, wait.
Yup
I have not read every single post here. I have seen a couple people mention Luke's blue saber during his Force projection.
I could be not remembering it correctly, but it was obviously blue, but to me the hilt didn't even remotely resemble Anakin's. Yes it appeared to be chrome, but the structure of it just didn't look the same to me.
I thought it was pretty clear that perhaps his iconic green saber was destroyed after the fight with Kylo at the Academy. and then in his solitude he constructed a new saber. Even though as we find out its all a mental image so he didn't actually construct a new one, but I never got the impression that it was supposed to be the original Anakin lightsaber.
I could be not remembering it correctly, but it was obviously blue, but to me the hilt didn't even remotely resemble Anakin's. Yes it appeared to be chrome, but the structure of it just didn't look the same to me.
I thought it was pretty clear that perhaps his iconic green saber was destroyed after the fight with Kylo at the Academy. and then in his solitude he constructed a new saber. Even though as we find out its all a mental image so he didn't actually construct a new one, but I never got the impression that it was supposed to be the original Anakin lightsaber.
Still pissed off and disappointed three days later. Next time, I'm not going to make any effort whatsoever to avoid spoilers. I'm not going to let myself get ambushed again.
The First Order would be there regardless of Kylo Ren. Snoke was in back ground all along.bobinator said:
It's way down the list for me, but the fact that this whole interaction happened off-screen is higher on the list. Like, this moment where Luke turns on Kylo has shaped everything that's going on right now. It caused the death of Han Solo, it caused Leia to lose her son and the man she loves (both because he went back into smuggling and later because he died), it caused Luke Skywalker to go into hiding. So this moment has huge ramifications for everyone, and we don't really get to see what caused it.
Based on how he reacted to Rey handing him Anakin's I'd guess he didn't construct a new one, and if the green one wasn't destroyed at that time I'd bet he destroyed it himself.DartAg1970 said:
I have not read every single post here. I have seen a couple people mention Luke's blue saber during his Force projection.
I could be not remembering it correctly, but it was obviously blue, but to me the hilt didn't even remotely resemble Anakin's. Yes it appeared to be chrome, but the structure of it just didn't look the same to me.
I thought it was pretty clear that perhaps his iconic green saber was destroyed after the fight with Kylo at the Academy. and then in his solitude he constructed a new saber. Even though as we find out its all a mental image so he didn't actually construct a new one, but I never got the impression that it was supposed to be the original Anakin lightsaber.
True, I could buy that, I just don't agree with those who were saying things like it didn't make sense that he would have Anakin's lightsaber at the end after it had just been destroyed.
It doesn't make sense because that isn't what happened.
It doesn't make sense because that isn't what happened.
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