+ Emperor guards fight scene
+ Daisy Ridley is fantastic

- The ENTIRE master code breaker side plot was 100% useless. It literally served no purpose. Like, just make the movie 30 min less in length.

- Finn accomplished nothing in the entire movie (other than saving some horses). His role had 0 impact to the plot.

- So now all the rebels need to do to defeat the First order is light speed kamikaze through their fleet? Kewl plot hole Disney. I hope that sweet visual shot was worth shredding all that conflict.

- Wtf didn't commander purple hair tell Poe about her plan? He freaking mutinied and it all made no sense.

- The 2 most intriguing aspects of the new Star Wars films were: 1) Rey's parentage and 2) Snokes backstory. The movie just took a dump on both.

- I STILL dont understand why Ben hated his father.

- Leia just suddenly became a force wielding witch capable of resurrecting herself and creating a breathing apparatus in space. Kewl.

- This movie took a dump on space. Idk what galaxy they're in, but in my galaxy, when you open a door from a pressurized cabin to a vacuum, bad things happen. This movie did it at least twice with no consequences. (And that's before I mention the physics of "dropping" bombs in space)

- The millenium falcon is indestructible. The first order needs to capture it and study it's engineering for replication on their own paper machete crafts.

- Literally the only time Luke touched a light saber was to toss it over his shoulder.

- milking Aliens

- So they kill off Harrison Ford and Mark Hamil but decide to keep Carrie Fisher around? Sense, this director makes none.

- Rose was some pipe engineer and then could pilot stuff because....reasons.

The biggest minus of all;

- RIan Johnson is directing more of these. (Insert Darth Vader "Noooooooooooo!" Gif)

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- I STILL dont understand why Ben hated his father.

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He was conflicted, and Han was almost able to bring him back to the light. But the only way he'd be able to rid himself of that conflict, he thought, would be to kill him.

"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

Everything MC Swag said and more.

Im not a star wars super fan but I watch them all, and that was just a terrible movie by any standards, much less star wars. TFA was way better. Hell Rogue One was better.

It's been however many years and they decide to open the Rey storyline up on day 1 on the island?! Took forever to get 3 dumb lessons and all the sudden she's the ultimate badass.

The Skywalker academy stuff was such a cheap use of "we'll show you some but not all to make you think the opposite, then peel back more later to show it all in context... Wait.... Then show one more time that it actually was a tough call for Luke cause he could see darkness." garbage.

They should have opened the movie up with a flashback to the Skywalker academy and began with the swerve so we at least had that context.

And speaking of dumb, I can't figure out what's dumber... Leia space floating back to the ship or Rose's entire character and her/Finn's hour long subplot that ended up meaning zero for the movie.

She goes from a nothing at the bottom bowels of the ship to a girl with her hero on a ridiculous mission (oh and BTW how about 2 ridiculous emotional plug plot lines with her sister and the racing animals in a 20 minute span) and the entire situation resulted in absolutely nothing!

But hey they luckily got back to the barracks planet so at this time the only obvious thing to do is assume little girl who is nothing and has no experience is now an advanced pilot flying those mono skiers, even to the point that she has to help Finn (IIRC) out by explaining how to use the mono ski to properly fly it.

Then Finn is somehow flying literally into a Frickin laser beam and yet his hunk of junk craft is holding up until Rose bashes him away. He walks up to her completely unconscious and she immediately snaps awake, fully aware and kisses him?? The entire theater laughed when this happened, I **** you not.

Holy ***** After 30 minutes I knew I was in for an all time stinker and there was nothing I could do about it except continue to watch fumble after fumble by the filmmakers.

So much unnecessary bull*****

The Snoke scene and the light speed kamikaze were cool. So there's that.


Edit: oh and the whole Holdo swerve? How ridiculous. She just stubbornly won't tell any chain of command about her plan, to the point that Poe leads a mutiny and then she gets the ship back because Leia decides to wake up and say "Poe, I know you spend half the movie looking out the window, but for some reason you didn't notice that giant planet right out the window that has been in clear sight that we've been heading towards for some time now. See? Holdo has had this plan all along and that's why she's smart and you're just a dumb emotional fighter pilot."

I'll agree that after Carrie died, the smarter move would've been to change the ending and have Leia sacrifice herself in that kamikaze scene. The trouble would've been, not only do you likely have to do a bit of CGI-Leia, you'd lose that great and touching reunion between Luke and Leia on Crait.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I'll agree that after Carrie died, the smarter move would've been to change the ending and have Leia sacrifice herself in that kamikaze scene. The trouble would've been, not only do you likely have to do a bit of CGI-Leia, you'd lose that great and touching reunion between Luke and Leia on Crait.

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It's an absolute travesty that we never got to see Luke, Leia and Han in the same scene together. Huge whiff.

It just couldn't happen organically with the story JJ wrote. If he wanted that scene to happen, he would've started from there and reverse-engineered the rest of the movie.

M.C. Swag said:

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+ Emperor guards fight scene
+ Daisy Ridley is fantastic

- The ENTIRE master code breaker side plot was 100% useless. It literally served no purpose. Like, just make the movie 30 min less in length.

- Finn accomplished nothing in the entire movie (other than saving some horses). His role had 0 impact to the plot.

- So now all the rebels need to do to defeat the First order is light speed kamikaze through their fleet? Kewl plot hole Disney. I hope that sweet visual shot was worth shredding all that conflict.

- Wtf didn't commander purple hair tell Poe about her plan? He freaking mutinied and it all made no sense.

- The 2 most intriguing aspects of the new Star Wars films were: 1) Rey's parentage and 2) Snokes backstory. The movie just took a dump on both.

- I STILL dont understand why Ben hated his father.

- Leia just suddenly became a force wielding witch capable of resurrecting herself and creating a breathing apparatus in space. Kewl.

- This movie took a dump on space. Idk what galaxy they're in, but in my galaxy, when you open a door from a pressurized cabin to a vacuum, bad things happen. This movie did it at least twice with no consequences. (And that's before I mention the physics of "dropping" bombs in space)

- The millenium falcon is indestructible. The first order needs to capture it and study it's engineering for replication on their own paper machete crafts.

- Literally the only time Luke touched a light saber was to toss it over his shoulder.

- milking Aliens

- So they kill off Harrison Ford and Mark Hamil but decide to keep Carrie Fisher around? Sense, this director makes none.

- Rose was some pipe engineer and then could pilot stuff because....reasons.

The biggest minus of all;

- RIan Johnson is directing more of these. (Insert Darth Vader "Noooooooooooo!" Gif)

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The OT took a huge dump on space, but hey, you saw it as a 5 year old, so it's ok.

Ok toss out that complaint then. The actual substance to the story was weak, the characters were flat, the plot made no sense, and they well...take your pick.

I love the tactic of quoting an entire laundry list of things and highlighting a single detail with a clever retort as if it invalidates everything else. You got me bruce.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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It just couldn't happen organically with the story JJ wrote. If he wanted that scene to happen, he would've started from there and reverse-engineered the rest of the movie.

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But I'm glad they could organically work that horse race scene into the movie.

Saw it a 3rd time last night with the girlfriend. She really liked it. Packed house and the theatre was really into it. Lots of folks dressed up. 2 R2 units were there.

The movie has definitely gotten better each time.

M.C. Swag said:

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+ Emperor guards fight scene
+ Daisy Ridley is fantastic

- The ENTIRE master code breaker side plot was 100% useless. It literally served no purpose. Like, just make the movie 30 min less in length.

- Finn accomplished nothing in the entire movie (other than saving some horses). His role had 0 impact to the plot.

- So now all the rebels need to do to defeat the First order is light speed kamikaze through their fleet? Kewl plot hole Disney. I hope that sweet visual shot was worth shredding all that conflict.

- Wtf didn't commander purple hair tell Poe about her plan? He freaking mutinied and it all made no sense.

- The 2 most intriguing aspects of the new Star Wars films were: 1) Rey's parentage and 2) Snokes backstory. The movie just took a dump on both.

- I STILL dont understand why Ben hated his father.

- Leia just suddenly became a force wielding witch capable of resurrecting herself and creating a breathing apparatus in space. Kewl.

- This movie took a dump on space. Idk what galaxy they're in, but in my galaxy, when you open a door from a pressurized cabin to a vacuum, bad things happen. This movie did it at least twice with no consequences. (And that's before I mention the physics of "dropping" bombs in space)

- The millenium falcon is indestructible. The first order needs to capture it and study it's engineering for replication on their own paper machete crafts.

- Literally the only time Luke touched a light saber was to toss it over his shoulder.

- milking Aliens

- So they kill off Harrison Ford and Mark Hamil but decide to keep Carrie Fisher around? Sense, this director makes none.

- Rose was some pipe engineer and then could pilot stuff because....reasons.

The biggest minus of all;

- RIan Johnson is directing more of these. (Insert Darth Vader "Noooooooooooo!" Gif)

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Everything MC Swag said and more.

Im not a star wars super fan but I watch them all, and that was just a terrible movie by any standards, much less star wars. TFA was way better. Hell Rogue One was better.

It's been however many years and they decide to open the Rey storyline up on day 1 on the island?! Took forever to get 3 dumb lessons and all the sudden she's the ultimate badass.

The Skywalker academy stuff was such a cheap use of "we'll show you some but not all to make you think the opposite, then peel back more later to show it all in context... Wait.... Then show one more time that it actually was a tough call for Luke cause he could see darkness." garbage.

They should have opened the movie up with a flashback to the Skywalker academy and began with the swerve so we at least had that context.

And speaking of dumb, I can't figure out what's dumber... Leia space floating back to the ship or Rose's entire character and her/Finn's hour long subplot that ended up meaning zero for the movie.

She goes from a nothing at the bottom bowels of the ship to a girl with her hero on a ridiculous mission (oh and BTW how about 2 ridiculous emotional plug plot lines with her sister and the racing animals in a 20 minute span) and the entire situation resulted in absolutely nothing!

But hey they luckily got back to the barracks planet so at this time the only obvious thing to do is assume little girl who is nothing and has no experience is now an advanced pilot flying those mono skiers, even to the point that she has to help Finn (IIRC) out by explaining how to use the mono ski to properly fly it.

Then Finn is somehow flying literally into a Frickin laser beam and yet his hunk of junk craft is holding up until Rose bashes him away. He walks up to her completely unconscious and she immediately snaps awake, fully aware and kisses him?? The entire theater laughed when this happened, I **** you not.

Holy ***** After 30 minutes I knew I was in for an all time stinker and there was nothing I could do about it except continue to watch fumble after fumble by the filmmakers.

So much unnecessary bull*****

The Snoke scene and the light speed kamikaze were cool. So there's that.


Edit: oh and the whole Holdo swerve? How ridiculous. She just stubbornly won't tell any chain of command about her plan, to the point that Poe leads a mutiny and then she gets the ship back because Leia decides to wake up and say "Poe, I know you spend half the movie looking out the window, but for some reason you didn't notice that giant planet right out the window that has been in clear sight that we've been heading towards for some time now. See? Holdo has had this plan all along and that's why she's smart and you're just a dumb emotional fighter pilot."

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I don't think the bombs were "gravity" based, it looked like they were all lined up in a track which could have just worked like a mechanical conveyor belt that moved them downwards. All you needed was something to get them moving and that's it, I don't think it's such a reach to assume that's what was done.

Compared to many of the other head scratcher choices in the script, it's a pretty minor nitpick. But there's a very good reason why nobody today uses the WWII strategy of carpet bombing with slow aircraft that have to fly perfectly straight and level on approach. Aircrew losses in WWII were horrific. When the Rebel bombers appeared, I thought "B-Wing upgrades!" It was a big disappointment to get B-17s instead. The downgrade in technology is comparable to the US Air Force scrapping cruise missiles in favor of zeppelins. And what was the point? So the script could set up Rose's character and reinforce Poe's recklessness. LOL.

After 6 pages, I knew I no longer needed to read this thread.

SeattleAgJr said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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- I STILL dont understand why Ben hated his father.

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He was conflicted, and Han was almost able to bring him back to the light. But the only way he'd be able to rid himself of that conflict, he thought, would be to kill him.

"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

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that makes absolutely no sense within the absolute little context we have been given.

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How does that not make sense?

Champ Bailey said:

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Here is what I don't get. So the rebels and the First Order are buying spacecraft from the same people. Why don't they both fly X-Wings or TIE's?

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Maybe each side has an exclusive endorsement deal