americathegreat1492 said:
So I just home. I felt like, objectively, it's a decent movie, but I didn't like it. I can say that this is the first star wars that left me irritated coming out of the theatre. I was able to enjoy the moments that I knew they put on display for fans, but the story just did not grip me. Something seemed "off" about the spirit of it all.
Mark Hamill is quoted as having told Rian "I fundamentally disagree with everything you've done with my character." I'm not sure I would go that far, but he was one several characters that felt like they should have had different moments. It's not that Luke did not have an impact at the end, but it was a wasted impact. It was wasted in the sense that the last time we saw Luke Jedi-Lightsaber wielding Skywalker do some badass **** was like 30 years ago.
One of the bigger issues I had in this movie were the way too many "what in the actual **** was that" moments. Leia levitating in space was one of them, which by the way was the most powerful display of force powers by a Skywalker since ROTJ. Not that Luke's image projection didn't require "power" but that kind of mass mind trick doesn't have the same visceral effect as levitation or force lightning.
Yoda. What the ****? Like what in the actual ****?? On paper having him pop up for a short talk is fine, but the way he pops in doesn't seem believable. Then we see a force ghost play a ****ING JOKE on his apprentice by calling lightning from the sky. The whole sequence was just mind boggling. Yoda is definitely not above jokes, but again, something felt off about this sequence like most of the movie did.
Anyway, I know some people won't agree but this just felt very average to me. Luke ****ing badass Skywalker felt wasted. Snoke was definitely wasted. Phasma was wasted. Holto was wasted. Del Toro was wasted.
Anyway, those are my toughts. Have definitely enjoyed the marvel films more than a star wars film since ROTJ came out.
Yoda playing a joke is very much in character with how he was in the OT.
I really enjoyed most of the movie. The funny parts go laughs in my theater and I laughed several times.
I am beyond disappointed with what they did with Luke, however, and that may be more than the rest of the movie can overcome for me.
I really, really, wanted him to fly down on his xwing that he lifted from the water and wreck shop on some AT-ATs. I really wanted him to just do SOMETHING amazing. Instead, we get basically a trick so he can delay them from killing the last fifteen members of the resistance and then he does the whole force ghost bit, which I can't stand. I mean, why? Why did he even do that?
And how can the Jedi order survive when nobody knows WTF the jedi do anymore? How can it take YEARS to train guys like Anakin to be a Jedi, yet Rey already knows everything she needs to know?
And where the hell are they going with the third movie? It's basically starting over from scratch and will probably feel more like the beginning of a trilogy rather than the end of one.
My personal opinion is they are setting up a structure for future movies and tv shows, and that setting is going to be one in which the First Order is in power. I think there will be some victory in the third, but it won't be the destruction of the First Order. Maybe Kylo Ren is killed or turned back to good, or maybe they actually get a freaking rebellion together and get some personnel and some weapons, etc. But I think going forward the First Order will still be around because they will need a structure in which to base future hero conflicts around.
And they better be planning on explaining more about Snoke. They've completely taken away the mystery/big bad feeling that the OT had with Vader and the emperor. They need to upgrade the **** out Kylo to make him a scarier opponent than what they've shown him to be so far. I am glad they retconned him getting his ass kicked a little with the "you were distracted by killing your dad" line.
**** man, the more I think about it, the less and less I am liking this movie.