***** Official 2017 Astros Off Season Thread *****

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3:22p, 12/14/16
Can we get a case of these delivered to the Ranger's clubhouse?

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3:29p, 12/14/16
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I know this would never happen but what if we signed Bautista? The Rangers-Astros rivalry would become the most epic rivalry in sports history:

Gomez/McCann
Odor/Bautista
Astros fans/Gomez
And both teams would be among the favorites in the AL
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In reply to Deluxe • 3:39p, 12/14/16
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Don't forget that Hamels is a beetch too

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In reply to Deluxe • 3:40p, 12/14/16
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Deluxe said:
And both teams would be among the favorites in the AL

The Rangers have lost Beltran, Desmond, Moreland, and now Derek Holland this offseason.

They've added Gomez.

They're not gonna be favorites in their own division, much less the AL.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 4:19p, 12/14/16
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Ag_07 said:
Deluxe said:
And both teams would be among the favorites in the AL

The Rangers have lost Beltran, Desmond, Moreland, and now Derek Holland this offseason.

They've added Gomez.

They're not gonna be favorites in their own division, much less the AL.
OMG YOU'RE SO RIGHT!!!!
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5:54p, 12/14/16
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http://www.espn.com/blog/mlb/rumors/post/_/id/32774/mlb-rumor-central-jose-bautistas-agent-called-the-rangers

Bautista's agent called the Rangers. Must be desperate times for that guy.
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8:02p, 12/14/16
If Bautista signs, will he make odor sr. jack him off in the locker room?
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12:25p, 12/15/16
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In reply to shano0603 • 12:37p, 12/15/16
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shano0603 said:
Lunhow talking to Rick Hahn right now:
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12:39p, 12/15/16
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The trade market for pitching is just plain stupid because of the poor free agent market. I'm inclined to just roll with what we have.
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12:42p, 12/15/16
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Strengthen a strength. Fine by me. We can set a record for runs scored this year.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:56p, 12/15/16
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Bringing back Crush City!
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2:07p, 12/15/16
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In reply to aggiematt235 • 2:14p, 12/15/16
Hahn is in a situation where he has to win every trade, and he will just roll him back out there and wait for the trade deadline if it's not right. He's not in a "I have get something for this guy right now" position. I don't think he can trade Quintana and not get Bregman back.

I'd be inclined to roll with what you have. 90 projected wins is not a bad spot to be.
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2:38p, 12/15/16
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If you keep what you have, you have a lot of question marks, but could end up with a solid rotation just because a few things work out.

McCullers
  • The good - Could be an ace.
  • The question: Will he stay healthy?

Keuchel
  • The good - He is due a huge bounce back and actually pitched a lot better down the stretch. If McCullers stays healthy, all he has to do is be a solid #2 and he can do that.
  • The question: is 2014 or 2015 Dallas the real Dallas? (Probably somewhere between, and that's fine)

McHugh
  • The good - he was #14 in the AL in WAR among starters despite suffering from some BABIP bad luck. Not bad for a #3 pitcher.
  • The question: Will that BABIP come down? (signs point to yes).

Morton
  • The good - he has tremendous stuff and throws a really hard 2-seamer (averaged over 93 on it last year)... #2 type upside
  • The question: makes McCullers look like Cal Ripken when it comes to injury concerns... however, I trust the Astros and pitcher injury evaluation.

Devenski
  • The good - was a stud in the bullpen last year, has the changeup to get lefties out.
  • The bad - can he be effective as a starter? Bullpen will take a bit of a hit without him...

Fiers
  • The good - like him or not, he's not a terrible #5 starter (I personally don't want him in the rotation)
  • The question - will MMP's fences being moved in make him even worse since he's a borderline extreme fly ball pitcher?

Musgrove
  • The good - he's still developing, showed some moxy last year
  • The bad - the league adjusted and rocked him pretty good, will he be able to adjust? (I like Joe and think he will be a good #3/#4 type pitcher soon)

Feliz
  • The good - great fastball, great curve... has started in the past
  • The question: Will he ever develop a 3rd pitch that can make him a starter?

Paulino
  • The good - still a prospect
  • The question... same as all prospects

Peacock
  • Haha



TLDR
2 injury concerns (Morton and McCullers)
2 bounce back candidates (Keuchel and McHugh)
1 mystery bullpen guy (Devenski)
2 #5 starters at best (Fiers and Peacock)
1 young promising guy (Musgrove)
2 completely unproven prospects (Feliz and Paulino)



All that said... Fangraphs projects the Astros to have the 3rd best rotation in the AL.



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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 8:04p, 12/15/16
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irish pete ag06 said:
If you keep what you have, you have a lot of question marks, but could end up with a solid rotation just because a few things work out.

McCullers
  • The good - Could be an ace.
  • The question: Will he stay healthy?

Keuchel
  • The good - He is due a huge bounce back and actually pitched a lot better down the stretch. If McCullers stays healthy, all he has to do is be a solid #2 and he can do that.
  • The question: is 2014 or 2015 Dallas the real Dallas? (Probably somewhere between, and that's fine)

McHugh
  • The good - he was #14 in the AL in WAR among starters despite suffering from some BABIP bad luck. Not bad for a #3 pitcher.
  • The question: Will that BABIP come down? (signs point to yes).

Morton
  • The good - he has tremendous stuff and throws a really hard 2-seamer (averaged over 93 on it last year)... #2 type upside
  • The question: makes McCullers look like Cal Ripken when it comes to injury concerns... however, I trust the Astros and pitcher injury evaluation.

Devenski
  • The good - was a stud in the bullpen last year, has the changeup to get lefties out.
  • The bad - can he be effective as a starter? Bullpen will take a bit of a hit without him...

Fiers
  • The good - like him or not, he's not a terrible #5 starter (I personally don't want him in the rotation)
  • The question - will MMP's fences being moved in make him even worse since he's a borderline extreme fly ball pitcher?

Musgrove
  • The good - he's still developing, showed some moxy last year
  • The bad - the league adjusted and rocked him pretty good, will he be able to adjust? (I like Joe and think he will be a good #3/#4 type pitcher soon)

Feliz
  • The good - great fastball, great curve... has started in the past
  • The question: Will he ever develop a 3rd pitch that can make him a starter?

Paulino
  • The good - still a prospect
  • The question... same as all prospects

Peacock
  • Haha



TLDR
2 injury concerns (Morton and McCullers)
2 bounce back candidates (Keuchel and McHugh)
1 mystery bullpen guy (Devenski)
2 #5 starters at best (Fiers and Peacock)
1 young promising guy (Musgrove)
2 completely unproven prospects (Feliz and Paulino)



All that said... Fangraphs projects the Astros to have the 3rd best rotation in the AL.





Good write up. The problem for me is that we need more of the "good" to happen, while the "bad" - especially for lance and Dallas, would be dreadful to our season.
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In reply to Nuke LaLoosh • 8:11p, 12/15/16
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I agree. That is the concern. The good thing is, they have a lot of options that could be very good and not just a bunch of Fiers and Peacocks. 7/9 of those guys all have legitimate upside of some type.
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 8:50p, 12/15/16
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The difference between the ceiling and the floor of this rotation (as it is now) is astronomical.

They could be top 5 in the league but also could be bottom 5.

Very interesting to see how it all shakes out.
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9:02p, 12/15/16


Speaking of keuchel. I don't know what to think. I find it a little hard to believe he had such a great spring training and then was hurting all season long. I hope it's not just an excuse. Hopefully this is pointing towards a strong rebound
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9:48p, 12/15/16
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I'm not giving up hope on EE yet
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In reply to Psych • 10:09p, 12/15/16
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Psych said:
I'm not giving up hope on EE yet


Would be incredible
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6:37a, 12/16/16
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I dislike Peacock as much as the next dude, but he threw well at the end of the season last year.
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In reply to Sea Gull • 6:51a, 12/16/16
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I always think Peacock is a lefty because he's stuck around for so long never really putting up good numbers anywhere along the way. But nope, he's a righty. At this point, he's just the guy you keep in AAA to eat innings who might get a call up if injuries require it.
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In reply to iBrad • 7:54a, 12/16/16
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Yep. Somewhere on one of the Astros shows, Luhnow said they have 9 starters at the moment, so I was assuming he was a part of the mix since he got the call late in the year.

Anyone listen to Keuchel's appearance on Astroline last night? Dude is pretty funny. One time when they came back from the break Sparks says "Everybody in the club getting tipsy... I don't even know what that means but Dallas told me to say it." Dallas was in the background cackling. What a fun clubhouse that must be.
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In reply to Nuke LaLoosh • 8:43a, 12/16/16
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Nuke LaLoosh said:
irish pete ag06 said:
If you keep what you have, you have a lot of question marks, but could end up with a solid rotation just because a few things work out.

McCullers
  • The good - Could be an ace.
  • The question: Will he stay healthy?

Keuchel
  • The good - He is due a huge bounce back and actually pitched a lot better down the stretch. If McCullers stays healthy, all he has to do is be a solid #2 and he can do that.
  • The question: is 2014 or 2015 Dallas the real Dallas? (Probably somewhere between, and that's fine)

McHugh
  • The good - he was #14 in the AL in WAR among starters despite suffering from some BABIP bad luck. Not bad for a #3 pitcher.
  • The question: Will that BABIP come down? (signs point to yes).

Morton
  • The good - he has tremendous stuff and throws a really hard 2-seamer (averaged over 93 on it last year)... #2 type upside
  • The question: makes McCullers look like Cal Ripken when it comes to injury concerns... however, I trust the Astros and pitcher injury evaluation.

Devenski
  • The good - was a stud in the bullpen last year, has the changeup to get lefties out.
  • The bad - can he be effective as a starter? Bullpen will take a bit of a hit without him...

Fiers
  • The good - like him or not, he's not a terrible #5 starter (I personally don't want him in the rotation)
  • The question - will MMP's fences being moved in make him even worse since he's a borderline extreme fly ball pitcher?

Musgrove
  • The good - he's still developing, showed some moxy last year
  • The bad - the league adjusted and rocked him pretty good, will he be able to adjust? (I like Joe and think he will be a good #3/#4 type pitcher soon)

Feliz
  • The good - great fastball, great curve... has started in the past
  • The question: Will he ever develop a 3rd pitch that can make him a starter?

Paulino
  • The good - still a prospect
  • The question... same as all prospects

Peacock
  • Haha



TLDR
2 injury concerns (Morton and McCullers)
2 bounce back candidates (Keuchel and McHugh)
1 mystery bullpen guy (Devenski)
2 #5 starters at best (Fiers and Peacock)
1 young promising guy (Musgrove)
2 completely unproven prospects (Feliz and Paulino)



All that said... Fangraphs projects the Astros to have the 3rd best rotation in the AL.





Good write up. The problem for me is that we need more of the "good" to happen, while the "bad" - especially for lance and Dallas, would be dreadful to our season.
Think Martes factors into this at some point?
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In reply to coastalAg • 9:26a, 12/16/16
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Yes, but I'm not sure he's being considered right now. His ETA will likely be this season at some point.
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 10:20a, 12/16/16
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I don't think, strategically, that Martens SHOULD factor in. He's such good trade bait that we can't afford for him to fizzle out... sometimes the unknown is better IMO. I don't see him being a stud.
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11:31a, 12/16/16
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Unless we are getting an ACE in return, Martes is ours. He's a future stud.
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In reply to mazag08 • 12:23p, 12/16/16
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mazag08 said:
Unless we are getting an ACE in return, Martes is ours. He's a future stud.
Johnny Cueto 2.0... I hope.
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8:32a, 12/18/16
Correa slaying it

https://instagr.am/p/BOJMWgVBZjF
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In reply to titanmaster_race • 10:31a, 12/18/16
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Back injury - out 8 months
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10:57a, 12/18/16
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Have we completely given up on EE at this point? What about Trumbo?
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In reply to Nuke LaLoosh • 3:17p, 12/18/16
Looks like he'd have someone to nurse him back to health.
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3:31p, 12/18/16
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/tradefa-rumblings-wieters-nats-mets-rays-braun-ee-tribe.html

EE ain't going to Cleveland. Maybe still a shot?
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