I'm not as sold on Bregman as everyone else is.
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Last: 7 yr ago by Mr.Bond
You don't get many opportunities to get an Ace in a trade.Mr.Bond said:
Bregman could be DAMN good. I understand the key word is "could" but God we passed on Jeter, and I don't want to make that same mistake again. Not saying he is Jeter today but he has all the tools Derek had but with more power
Based on?aggie1906 said:
I'm not as sold on Bregman as everyone else is.
After that start, to bounce back I think he becomes a top 3 player on this team with Correa and Altuve. Just curious what about him you're not sold on?
Just a small sample size and half that was like 0/35.
Don't get me wrong. I like him. I think his future is bright, but I'm not sure he's ever an All Star.
Don't get me wrong. I like him. I think his future is bright, but I'm not sure he's ever an All Star.
aggie1906 said:
I'm not as sold on Bregman as everyone else is.
What makes you not sold on him?
I'm not trying to be rude, just want to know why you think that. Most people who aren't sold at him haven't seen him play more than a couple of games and just look at the stat line.
Been watching him since college. I just don't think he's the type of prospect you refuse to trade if you can lock up an ace for a long time.
I think Bregman could be a multiple time AS.
I don't think he's MVP or HOF player but I think he'll finish up with multiple AS campaigns. I don't want to trade him.
I'd rather roll with an offense with Edwin and the rotation we have.
I don't think he's MVP or HOF player but I think he'll finish up with multiple AS campaigns. I don't want to trade him.
I'd rather roll with an offense with Edwin and the rotation we have.
Is it really happening? Then we deal Bregs for Sale & we become a (the?) favorite in the AL.
My god
I assume it'll take more than Bregman.
Something like Bregman, Musgrove, Reed, and Kemp.
Edwin would play 1B and Yuli to 3B?
Something like Bregman, Musgrove, Reed, and Kemp.
Edwin would play 1B and Yuli to 3B?
Getting Encarnacion is big time.
Still need an ace SP. Sale would be ideal, but yeah I'd obviously rather give up springer than breggy right now. If you can get a guy like sale, you do it.
Still need an ace SP. Sale would be ideal, but yeah I'd obviously rather give up springer than breggy right now. If you can get a guy like sale, you do it.
Oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please...
If we sign Encarnacion, I think we should absolutely deal Bregman for Sale. I'm guessing we would also lose one or two of Musgrove, Paulino, and Martes, and probably some other position guys, too, but it wouldn't be a very big hit to the core group of players.
Look at the core group we would have over the next three years. Do you keep Bregman or open up a three-year window for a serious run at a World Series? I think that choice is easy. What's going to help you more in a seven-game series, Bregman in the lineup or Sale on the mound for two games?
The dates are when they become free agents.
Springer 2021
Altuve 2020
Correa 2022
Reddick 2021
McCann 2020
Gattis 2019
Encarnacion *2021
Aoki 2019
Gurriel 2023
Gonzales 2019
Marisnick 2021
Sale 2020
Keuchel 2019
McCullers 2022
McHugh 2020
Morton 2019
Fiers 2020
Musgrove 2023
Paulino 2023
Devenski 2022
Feliz 2022
Giles 2021
Gregerson 2018
Harris 2020
Sipp 2019
White 2023
Reed 2023
Hernandez 2023
Kemp 2023
Look at the core group we would have over the next three years. Do you keep Bregman or open up a three-year window for a serious run at a World Series? I think that choice is easy. What's going to help you more in a seven-game series, Bregman in the lineup or Sale on the mound for two games?
The dates are when they become free agents.
Springer 2021
Altuve 2020
Correa 2022
Reddick 2021
McCann 2020
Gattis 2019
Encarnacion *2021
Aoki 2019
Gurriel 2023
Gonzales 2019
Marisnick 2021
Sale 2020
Keuchel 2019
McCullers 2022
McHugh 2020
Morton 2019
Fiers 2020
Musgrove 2023
Paulino 2023
Devenski 2022
Feliz 2022
Giles 2021
Gregerson 2018
Harris 2020
Sipp 2019
White 2023
Reed 2023
Hernandez 2023
Kemp 2023
The more I think about it, the more I would be ok w/ trading Bregman (and some minor leaguers) for Sale
Over the last 4 years Edwin has averaged: .270, .363, .541, .905 with 38 HR & 110 RBIs playing in 144 games per year.
He'll be 34 next season and the decline will happen. Say we sign him to a 5 yr, 120 M.
Would you be happy with numbers like these? ( just pulling them out of my ass)
34 - .270, .350, .530, .880, 38 HR, 115 RBI
35 - .270, .345, .515, .860, 32 HR, 105 RBI
36 - .260, .340, .505, .845, 28 HR, 95 RBI
37 - .250, .335, .490, .825, 22 HR, 85 RBI
38 - .240, .330, .475, .805, 20 HR, 70 RBI
AVG: .258, .340, .503, .843, 28 HR, 95 RBI
The career finish would be fairly similar to Delgato, Berkman, Bagwell, or even Joey Bats previous 2 years.
Thoughts?
He'll be 34 next season and the decline will happen. Say we sign him to a 5 yr, 120 M.
Would you be happy with numbers like these? ( just pulling them out of my ass)
34 - .270, .350, .530, .880, 38 HR, 115 RBI
35 - .270, .345, .515, .860, 32 HR, 105 RBI
36 - .260, .340, .505, .845, 28 HR, 95 RBI
37 - .250, .335, .490, .825, 22 HR, 85 RBI
38 - .240, .330, .475, .805, 20 HR, 70 RBI
AVG: .258, .340, .503, .843, 28 HR, 95 RBI
The career finish would be fairly similar to Delgato, Berkman, Bagwell, or even Joey Bats previous 2 years.
Thoughts?
I am too, but I don't want to sell the farm and Bregman.gougler08 said:
The more I think about it, the more I would be ok w/ trading Bregman (and some minor leaguers) for Sale
If it is going to take Martes, Tucker, Musgrove on top of Bregman to land Sale then I think it is too much. I would rather go after someone like Gray or Archer at somewhat discounted price compared to Sale. Obviously they aren't Sale, but I think they're worth taking a shot on and enough to make a real run at it when our offense is carrying us.
I would be fine with numbers like that. That's a very above average ML hitter even in the age 38 season.aggie1906 said:
Over the last 4 years Edwin has averaged: .270, .363, .541, .905 with 38 HR & 110 RBIs playing in 144 games per year.
He'll be 34 next season and the decline will happen. Say we sign him to a 5 yr, 120 M.
Would you be happy with numbers like these? ( just pulling them out of my ass)
34 - .270, .350, .530, .880, 38 HR, 115 RBI
35 - .270, .345, .515, .860, 32 HR, 105 RBI
36 - .260, .340, .505, .845, 28 HR, 95 RBI
37 - .250, .335, .490, .825, 22 HR, 85 RBI
38 - .240, .330, .475, .805, 20 HR, 70 RBI
AVG: .258, .340, .503, .843, 28 HR, 95 RBI
The career finish would be fairly similar to Delgato, Berkman, Bagwell, or even Joey Bats previous 2 years.
Thoughts?
I would trade Springer before Bregman. If Drayton were still owner, there's no way he would deal Bregman from a P.R. standpoint.
personally I would keep Bregman and try to make a big deal at the trade deadline if necessary
personally I would keep Bregman and try to make a big deal at the trade deadline if necessary
I do not want to deal Bregman. The potential he showed in his short ML stint is just ridiculous. Even with the 2 for 38 start, what he would do over a 162 game season is ridiculous (43 doubles, 27 homers)... Plus he provides elite level defense at 3rd base.aggie1906 said:I am too, but I don't want to sell the farm and Bregman.gougler08 said:
The more I think about it, the more I would be ok w/ trading Bregman (and some minor leaguers) for Sale
If it is going to take Martes, Tucker, Musgrove on top of Bregman to land Sale then I think it is too much. I would rather go after someone like Gray or Archer at somewhat discounted price compared to Sale. Obviously they aren't Sale, but I think they're worth taking a shot on and enough to make a real run at it when our offense is carrying us.
I would rather deal Springer (if they wanted him), Musgrove, hell even McCullers.
At this point I think we all agree 23 year old Bregman who can play SS, 3B, or even OF is more valuable than a 27 year old OF only George Springer who before last year had a history of injury. He's a solid player (258, .356, .460, .816), but more of a known commodity. His ceiling is probably an .850 OPS player with 30 homers. Which is great, again, but Bregman's ceiling is more unknown at a harder to fill position.
I would say Bregman is untouchable. He's going to be a hometown favorite.
Nobody is ever untouchable.
Not even Babe Ruth
You guys realize that sale, even with the loss of breggy smalls, likely makes us favorites to win the pennant right?
Yah, but I wanna keep Francis Martes too
Please please please.. I breg of everyone on here. Even if all of this happens, can we not just assume we are going to be the best and win 110 games?Nuke LaLoosh said:
You guys realize that sale, even with the loss of breggy smalls, likely makes us favorites to win the pennant right?
He certainly put butts in the seats last season. I never saw so much purple outside of LSU events than I did at Minute Maid. I wonder how many of those fans are/were not Astros fans.Duck Patrol said:
I would say Bregman is untouchable. He's going to be a hometown favorite.
I was about to say, Breg is great, except for the fact that he's a DIRTY CORN DOG LOVING BOURBON BOTTLE THROWING LSU TIGER.
jbanda said:
I was about to say, Breg is great, except for the fact that he's a DIRTY CORN DOG LOVING BOURBON BOTTLE THROWING LSU TIGER.
Sorry. Last thursday is still fresh in my mind.
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